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Filoni is very capable at telling EPIC stories. He gets the mythology.

I'm not a huge fan of the show, and this story was hurt by the approaching New Hope status-quo, but I felt some real emotion. Very good character building at work here.


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Hands down, The Single Greatest Episode - EVER!

Once they landed on Malachor, I could barely breathe from that moment forward, and the tension only kept growing from there.

BRILLIANT work.

I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

But
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ending...!

There is SO much to expound upon.

Everyone involved in creating this episode has well earned the right to make a full length live action feature film.

Genius!

Throwing more superlatives in regards to Twilight of the Apprentice would be pointless.

Just watch it.

Over and over and over again.

I'll come back after several days once the dust has settled and comment more then.

Wow...


Post Posted: March 31st 2016 1:06 am
 
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Yeah, that was some damn good Star Wars. Blown away.


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I'm conflicted when it comes to this episode.

The direction, the lighting and the acting were all absolutely top-notch. The medium simply can't get executed much better than it does here. A tip of the cap needs to go to Joel Aron, the lighting fx supervisor on the show (and Clone Wars). He lit this show beautifully in every single frame. This aspect of the show is the industry standard, and I am so happy he's at work on my favorite franchise.

I wish Dave Filoni was the man in charge of all of Star Wars. His understanding of the universe and the characters that inhabit it, has more than earned my trust. His stewardship of the franchise is the next-best thing to having George still in charge, something I would always wish was the case.

The drama, action and stakes in this episode all set new standards for the series. For my money, the Yoda arc is the 3rd-best piece of Star Wars media, only trailing ROTS and ESB. But this episode hangs right with the Yoda arc. The Matt Lanter/JEJ voice mix after Vader's mask is cut was chilling and beautifully executed.

Buuuttt...I hate hate hate the ambiguity left with Ahsoka's fate. If her story is truly done, as Filoni has intimated, then that should have been more well-defined on screen. Yes the Sith Temple seems to blow up, but that zoom-out shot might or might not have shown an alive Ahsoka. I believe it would have been consistent with Vader's character, as well as serving the larger story properly, to show him delivering the killer blow. It felt to me like her fate was left ambiguous for ambiguity's sake, and not because of what the characters would "actually have done." Yes, I get wanting the fans to read their own interpretations into the events, but in a season finale, it felt cheap to me to leave it somewhat unresolved.

Also, when the hell is Darth Maul going to die? It feels to me like he's being kept around due to his popularity as a character. Having said that, his characterization in this episode, along with Sam Witwer's amazing voice work, were real highlights.

Here's IGN's deep-dive Q&A with Filoni about the episode and the series. Very good stuff here.

IGN Star Wars Rebels Q&A


Here's a 49-minute Q&A analyzing the finale featuring Filoni.



Post Posted: March 31st 2016 10:32 am
 
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This episode was beautiful. I, too, am a little irked by the ambiguous nature of the outcome of Ahsoka vs. Vader, especially given that heavy emphasis was placed in trailers on the confrontation bringing closure to that relationship from The Clone Wars series. The more I think about it, however, the less I'm bothered by it.

This is my take:

Filoni has stated that he knows for certain what happened to Ahsoka in his mind. I think he believes she is dead. However, I bet there was some behind-the-scenes pressure to not make this outcome conclusive because Ahsoka is a "Disney cash cow" (in addition to being a great character), being one of the most significant female Jedi (or "former Jedi," if you want to split hairs). I'm not sure what that scene of Ahsoka at the end meant...it was an interesting transition from Vader leaving to the bird creature flying to Ahsoka re-entering the temple/falling down.

Some people are saying it's meant to be a Force Ghost. Having not finished The Clone Wars yet, some of the possible symbolism is lost on me. Apparently, those birdlike creatures often appeared in scenes involving Ahsoka, and the scene with her at the end is meant to be a visual parallel to a scene from TCW when she left the Jedi Order. I'd probably interpret the scene as playing out in Vader's mind as he hobbled away...another part of Anakin Skywalker was destroyed, as indicated by Ahsoka seeming to fall forward and being absorbed by the darkness of the Sith Temple.

I have no doubt that Filoni meant for her to die as the episode was written. I also have no doubt that, if that proves to be the canonical version of events, we'll still see new Ahsoka stories, probably set during The Clone Wars. However, I think higher-ups with LFL and Disney pressured Filoni to make the outcome ambiguous. I really think he was ready to "put her out to pasture." I wouldn't have been surprised if, had Disney owned the Star Wars IP when the OT was being made, some executive or another would have even wanted Darth Vader to survive.

I loved how Maul's situation and behavior when Ezra first finds him parallels Luke's first meeting with Yoda on Dagobah.

And did anyone think it was a little weird that, when Anakin's helmet cracked, the exposed portion of his face was flesh-colored rather than pasty white?

Lastly, half joking, but I kinda want Kanan to sport Terminator robot eyes at some point in the future.


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As a far as Star Wars goes, this is about as good as it gets. Why wasn't TFA this well executed?

I'm not sure if the ambiguity with Ahsoka's fate is due to Disney executives. I'm not even sure that there is ambiguity with her fate. I have to watch the episode again to confirm my thoughts.

Concerning the Sith holocron: it's probably the eventual power source source of Starkiller base, right?


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OMG. I started sobbing half way through and continued to bawl for five minutes after the credits ended. What a powerful experience for every single character. Maul, reinvented more often than Madonna; Kanaan seeing red; Ezra poised for seduction by holochron; Ahsoka ...well ... GONE; and perhaps the most excruciating reveal ever of Vader's personal agony in that helmet. I cried for them all. The death of Anakin Skywalker was never so clearly expressed; the choke/stab death of the inquisitor by Maul evoked sorrow for Satine; the death of Ahsoka-and-Anakin's affection symbolized the lost "family" of Anakin, Amidala and thier youngling padawan - all together they brilliantly converged in a story so intense and moving it left me wondering why TFA lacked emotional depth when such masters of storytelling are at the helm of the Ghost. Years of Lucas' tutelage clearly paid off for our wolf-loving muse.

I am glad Filoni was able to finish(?) the Tano story, but agree the ambiguity is a tiny let down. Closure is really needed here, Di$ney be damned lol.

My favorite line? When Vader told her it's not the Jedi way. "I'm not a Jedi!"
Well, whatever you were Ahsoka Tano, you were loved. And always will be.


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I was disappointed that the Inquisitors never amounted to anything this season and they were almost laughably ineffective in the finale, but that was pretty much my only real complaint about this episode. After two seasons, I hope one of the things Rebels can address going forward is creating more credible threats without having to call in Vader or Tarkin all the time.

Not that I'm against seeing Vader... he was awesome here and back in the season premiere. The confrontation at the end was really well done and although Rebels isn't her story, I'm glad that Ahsoka's story found its closure, even if it wasn't completely clear what happened. Also liked how the interactions between Ezra and Maul were like a darker version of Luke meeting Yoda.

Wish the second season wasn't as uneven as it was, but its high points were really high. Looking forward to seeing what they do next.


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Jesus H Christ !

Stunningly epic finale - hats off the Rebels crew and Filoni in particular.

I believe both Vader and Ashoka survived that explosion. In fact I just read there is a new canon novel based on Ashoka Tano coming out. I'm expecting her to show up in Season 3.

Maul Maul Maul rock on !

Ezra going down the dark path and Kanaan losing his eyes can't wait to see where the next season takes us.

10/10


Post Posted: March 31st 2016 9:32 pm
 
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Filoni should be directing Episode 9. When you consider the hack that is, it's almost a slap in the face that he's not.


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Phenomenal job!

This is what I've been waiting for since Season I, and the payoff was absolutely spectacular.
For me, Twilight of the Apprentice is right up there with The Mortis Trilogy from The Clone Wars.
Everything about this finalé felt right to me - the beats, the character building - the traditional Star Wars ending with visuals/music - no dialog.
Filoni has done something truly remarkable here. I've watched this three times and each time Vader calls out "Ahsoka!" I get emotional.

Really anticipating Season III now; cannot wait!


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Loved this Finale!

I don't believe Ashoka is dead.

I believe she is being saved for the next animated series after Rebels (Probably set sometime after ROTJ). She is the key to Luke and Leia discovering the true past of their mother and father as that story has never really been touched upon outside of that Tatooine Ghost Novel.

Does anyone else think the Sith Temple was the prototype version of the Starkiller base?

This story arc is surely meant to setup/foreshadow the events of TFA, especially with the Maul/Ezra exchanges planting the seeds for the Knights of Ren.


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Via Antiqua wrote:
Does anyone else think the Sith Temple was the prototype version of the Starkiller base?


Yes.

And this episode further fuels my theory that Ezra = Snoke.


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Filoni should be directing Episode 9. When you consider the hack that is, it's almost a slap in the face that he's not.

Filoni's best chance is the third anthology movie. However, even that is a long shot. Rebels is for the fans. The new movies are for fans, but also for general audiences. In turn, Disney isn't inclined to worry about the sophistication that Filoni brings to his Star Wars projects. Disney just wants to put butts in movie theater seats and they like directors who have already provide the ability to do just that. That $4 billion purchase hasn't been earned back yet.

Via Antiqua wrote:
Loved this Finale!
I don't believe (Ahsoka) is dead.

I believe she is being saved for the next animated series after Rebels (Probably set sometime after ROTJ).

I think that's a great guess. The final shot of Ahsoka makes it quite clear that she's not dead or a glowing Force ghost. She is simply walking away from Rebels in the same manner she walked away from the Clone Wars.

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BTW, you can buy a t-shirt of Ahsoka's final Rebels image over at Her Universe. Interesting.

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And this episode further fuels my theory that Ezra = Snoke.

In the IGN interview, Filoni alluded to the fact that there are no extraneous Jedi or Sith at the time of ANH.

Filoni wrote:
There’s this idea that I like where Tarkin says to Vader, “You are all that’s left of that ancient religion. The Jedi’s Fire has gone out in the galaxy,” basically. I think that’s true for the Dark Side of the Force, too. You get this feeling in A New Hope that there’s this technological achievement going on. The Empire is becoming this mechanized menace, and that while the Emperor and Vader control the Dark Side and use it to manipulate things, a lot of what’s evil about this Empire is the lack of faith and belief in the Force. I think a lot of that falls through with Inquisitors. They have their place, but as they’re not needed anymore – as the fire of the Jedi goes out in the galaxy – it’s not like the Emperor would even want all these witches and wizards running around his kingdom."

So, that doesn't provide much hope for Kanan and Ezra surviving the Rebels series unless they become something other than a Jedi or a Sith.

That being said, I still doubt your "theory," Bandersnatch. Sadly, I don't think that either Kasdan or Abrams put that much thought into Snoke.


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And this episode further fuels my theory that Ezra = Snoke.

Absolutely. Is there a thread on this particular?

And what about this post-Sith post-Jedi new "balance" that incorporates both dark and light? Yin needs Yang. That was the Mortis message, right? Mortis was so wierd, so different, like Lucas was trying to say ... hey, the force is so much more complex than Jedi/Sith. We have Bardotta, Dathomir ... and Mortis. So within the context of this new meta-level of SW spirituality, what is Snoke's true agenda? And is that tied in to the "balance" that was seemingly destroyed on Mortis?

Maybe we have not seen the last of Anakin (he was a force ghost after all in ROTJ) and this reveal of his face behind the mask was a sort of play on that idea that we will see his character is like post-Vader. He will have had first hand knowledge of both Jedi and Sith, and may have a spiritual agenda that influences Ezra/Snoke and thus Kylo. Kylo worships Vader, who speaks through Snoke.

Or maybe the Ewoks are actually running the galaxy from secret underground tech centers. Yub Yub is actually a hypnotic spell, entrancing us all.

Yes. Ezra = Snoke.


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Yes. Ezra = Snoke.


We called it first! :monocles:


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Well, it totally makes sense. I always thought his last name "Bridger" was a pretty good indication that his character would somehow bridge the stories of the three trilogies. How exactly a character could do that without appearing in the OT or PT was always a mystery to me. But Ezra is buds with Leia, Lando, R2 and has fought Vader plenty, so he is pretty well tied in to those characters, even if it did not happen in a MOVIE. IMHO I love the integration of canon among all media (though JJ seems to have taken QUITE SOME LIBERTIES with the way StarKiller base was originally written to use mysterious Dark Matter and not inexplicably pull the energy from the sun. A solar powered planet blaster? Does that mean Starkiller's sun is gone forever, or somehow regenerates? Or did they use up Hosnian's sun, in which case why bother blowing up the planets if they are all just gonna freeze. Oh, and how the HELL can the folks on Takodana see this in the sky?) Oh shit, .... wayyy off topic.

EZRA has relationships with PT Ahsoka, Rex, Yoda, and who knows who else will show up. He has relationships with Leia, Lando and the droids. And who knows, maybe he meets Han and gets pissed when Han abandons Leia to go be a smuggler again in the sequels, and that is why Ezra Snoke has Kylo kill Han. Could be a very old grudge. lol

But seriously. Ezra really could BRIDGE the whole shebang.
And then there is this dude.


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:lol: That's awesome!


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Interestingly, he died in California in the 1950s. Maybe he was related or a mentor to Lucas or JJ or Kennedy or Kasdan or ...


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I'm not really a fan of the Ezra being Snoke theory. I think Snoke being more 'ancient' is a key factor. Unless you were joking in which case I bought it.

Ezra can also be seen as the bridge between the prequels and original trilogy more than anything. I doubt he will have anything to do with the sequels.


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maul has to die at some point... im not a fan of his immortality


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It's not a question of if he will die, but how. Also, will he be redeemed before his end?

The Ezra/Snoke angle seems to overlook this statement:

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Filoni says he’s unlikely to resolve any major secrets from the films — just as he wouldn’t want the movies to tie up any loose ends involving the characters from his shows. “For anybody in Star Wars, I think one of the questions you’re going to get asked is, ‘Is that Snoke?’ It’s one of the mysteries right now. So, anybody could be seen as Snoke.

It doesn't put an end to the speculation, but makes it seem much more unlikely that Ezra would be a character in the sequels.


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Hokusai wrote:
maul has to die at some point... im not a fan of his immortality

After re-watching the season finale, Maul's presence does bother me a bit. His ability to keep popping up after his presumed death and penchant for monologues come off as kind of fanfiction-y.


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Stellar episode! Reminded me of some of the best aspects of the Mortis arc so many years ago on TCW.

One major question that's been on my mind since I saw the finale: Why are Anakin's eyebrows still intact under the helmet? I swore they were singed off at the end of ROTS and remained singed off until his funereal immolation. Anyone have an explanation?


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The_Somnambulist wrote:
One major question that's been on my mind since I saw the finale: Why are Anakin's eyebrows still intact under the helmet? I swore they were singed off at the end of ROTS and remained singed off until his funereal immolation. Anyone have an explanation?

Maybe they'll re-release ROTJ again to reveal a digitally-aged Hayden Christensen under Vader's mask, but with Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows composited in. :v:


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CoGro wrote:
Filoni should be directing Episode 9. When you consider the hack that is, it's almost a slap in the face that he's not.


I think I'm beginning to agree with you about Trevorrow. My jets have cooled on Jurassic World and I've fallen out of love with most of the film.

Lucas' very own apprentice at the helm of IX would have been nice.


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The_Somnambulist wrote:
Stellar episode! Reminded me of some of the best aspects of the Mortis arc so many years ago on TCW.

One major question that's been on my mind since I saw the finale: Why are Anakin's eyebrows still intact under the helmet? I swore they were singed off at the end of ROTS and remained singed off until his funereal immolation. Anyone have an explanation?


The Episode Guide claims that they added the eyebrow for expression matters of the face. No other reason mentioned ;)


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