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The Official "Holy shit there's actually an Episode VII - What the hell will it be about?" Thread


I believe this trilogy will continue the saga of Skywalker and that Luke will play a key role in re-establishing the Jedi Order. What I'm not sold on is why this trilogy is at all necessary. The Sith have been destroyed and presumably the Force has been brought back into balance. If Anakin Skywalker is the chosen one and has fulfilled his destiny then what compelling story is there left to tell? That seems like a huge task to me - much tougher than writing the prequels.

I think we throw the whole Imperial Remnant stuff from the EU right out the window and I hope to God there's no "Emperor Clone" bullshit. The threat must be great enough to span a trilogy. I'm guessing we're in line for a Jedi / Sith war. I also hope we get a chance to learn more about the history of the Sith and Jedi. This trilogy should take advantage of the opportunity it has to breath more life into the mythology of Star Wars without the burden of having to hit certain plot beats (something that held back the PT).


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One of the things that always appealed to me - as a child, at least - was the simplicity of those first three films. What I mean is, it was complex and sci-fi on one level, but at the same time, I could walk out on to any beach, and I was suddenly playing on Tatooine. Be in a forest, and I was on Endor. And everytime it snowed, I was magically transported to Hoth.

The thing is, and this is not a shortcoming on anyone involved's part, but that can never be done again. I can't imagine many kids get the opportunity to surf on lava that often or swim to the nearest underwater bubble city...
So from the very start, it is/was always going to be hard to come up with planets and locations that were both new, but simple and somehow accessible to the audience in the same way.

And the same is true of the story itself, IMHO. Star Wars has always been at its best when it was at its least "sci-fi", or at least when the real human drama is the important thing DESPITE the sci-fi trappings around it.

If they can stay true to that ethos, they are halfway there. 
My fear is they feel the need to "go one step further" than anything we have seen. You know, introduce some cosmic threat or entity on the scale of, for example, Galactus or something.
I'd like to see them scale it back, if anything. There was so little sense of threat in parts of the PT, because the Jedi just seemed capable of swatting roomfulls of opponents like flies. Remind us that people can pose a genuine threat to one another, whether they are Jedi, Sith, bureaucrat, or some drunken alien with a blaster.

I guess I'm rambling on a bit - but what I'm getting at is, does the fate of the galaxy have to be at stake for it to be a Star Wars movie?
Surely if we can identify with the noble cause of our protagonists and we feel they may be at threat, then there will be drama...?
Then again, it is called Star WARS, I suppose...


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I wonder what GL's version of Luke's Jedi Order will be like. A frequent PT trilogy criticism is that the Jedi are all bland, boring and sexless, but it always seemed to me that was by design. I mean, GL stuck the Jedi Council in a literal ivory tower!
Their radical detachment led them to serve a hopelessly corrupt Republic instead of justice, which in turn steered them to the trap that was the Clone Wars.

Luke defeated the Sith by throwing his lightsaber aside. He understood at the end that the key to overcome the Dark Side was love, not perpetuating the cycle of violence. (This point is lost on most of the EU authors, btw). I expect Luke's Order to be something quite different.


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Actually, thinking about all that "Balance of the Force" stuff... that aspect of the story kind of justifies a sequel trilogy, ironically.

Although the whole prophecy element of it doesn't sit too well with me, I always thought there was an interesting strand to the prequels that ended up being somewhat underdeveloped - this idea that the Jedi were doing things wrong, Qui-Gon was on the right track, but they stuffed up royally with Anakin, as an order.

What I mean is, the balance has to be maintained now - we've seen the Jedi order drop the ball in the first trilogy, we've seen the new hope and Anakin's eventual redemption in the next trilogy... It makes sense to me that we see how a new order would work. What they have learned from their mistakes, and what has changed about how the Jedi do business.

Obi-Wan was the bridge between that old, failed order, and the eventual atonement for their "errors". Now Luke can be the bridge between that success and a new, balanced order.

I'm more open to the idea of Luke replicating Kenobi's role, leading us into a new cast and their new adventures. I'd much rather see that than as many members of the old cast going through the montions just to please the fans...


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Hah - I can already sense these sequels are going to totally divide the fanbase even more than the prequels did.

Personally, I prefer the OT films to the prequels. Prefer them much more.

Yet there's no deeper meaning to it than that - Lucas is a good filmmaker, because he made some films I love. Star Wars is not adapted from a novel, or a play, or a biography, or real life events - it's a pure work of cinema, and it's sometimes easy to lose sight of the significance of that. While this doesn't make it unique, it is still a rare thing, given its success.

The flaws I perceive in the PT - to me they are mostly directorial and creative flaws, but that doesn't make Lucas a "bad filmmaker" per se. If he returns to directing, and creates a string of stinkers from hereon in until he croaks, he's still the guy who created Star Wars, and that is how history will remember him.

I think, whatever your feelings on Lucas, the point is that this is now a fresh start. We are going to get to see how "somebody else" handles Star Wars, so all the old arguments about Lucas become rather redundant really.


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Stupid board ate my long response.

Suffice to say, go back and read what I actually said, because you've lost something in translation. I am saying that Lucas is a solid filmaker who needs to work with a good editor. The flaws people cite in the PT to support some idea that he's lost his mind and is now a shit director are things that ALWAYS were in his work. They ARE shit things (let's not quibble - he can't direct dialogue to save his life.

He is on the other hand one of the most amazing visual storytellers of the century, and can put together these unbelieveably complex, layered sequences that actually READ to an audience like no one I've ever seen) and it's become part of his process to massage the raw footage heavily in editorial.

The fact is that the rough cut sounds a whole lot like how the PT came out, and supports the idea that he's the same guy he was during the OT. Yes, he saw the problems with the cut (I imagine his face was something like it was at the screening of TPM in "The Beginning"), only this time there just was no dynamic editor to work with him to find ways to smooth those bumps out.

Any vendetta you think I have to show that Lucas is a horrible filmaker is in your imagination; I'm saying, and will continue to say, the exact opposite.

And comparing the Ben/Vader duel to the asteroid sequence in AotC? Oh, Please. The silence in the music during the duel is there to serve an emotional purpose - it gently ramps up the tension in a way that having the sequence scored wouldn't have (see Adywans edit), and it sets the hook for when the Ben's Death cue does come in. Ben is cut down and the score suddenly swells and is a sucker punch to the gut in to underscore Luke's reaction.

The lack of music in the asteroid sequence in AotC is sound effects for the sake of sound effects, and serves no emotional or story purpose other than 'Ben Burt gotta eat'. The two have zero DNA in common.


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I'm sure I'm going to get some shit for suggesting this, but one director nobody has talked about is Chris Columbus.

I actually think he would have been well suited for Episode I, but he's very capable of delivering on Star Wars style features - he's a very focussed director, good with humour, and excellent with emotional weight. He's also got a history of working with John Williams. I'm a sucker for 80s filmmaking and he fits the bill.

If he were selected, I'd know Star Wars was in a competent director's hands.


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Ha!

The only way I could see Mace Windu or other ghosts of Jedi past working into this is if old Luke or the new Jedi Order are trying to retrieve some information from the Jedi Archives or something. Other than that, I agree it would be painfully contrived.


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Nothing really significant at all.

Just about Lucas "Letting Go" and having mixed feelings about moving forward into the future.


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And John Williams is getting really old. I'd hate for him to start a trilogy he might not be able to finish.

My vote is for passing the torch to a new crew.


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I have always thought that we needed a shot of the Millennium Falcon looking like that at the end of ROTJ.

Han: What the hell did you do to my ship?
Lando: Your ship?


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