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Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 2:05 am
 

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That’s a bit of a straw man. No one has said here, not that I’ve seen, that Lucas wasn’t a shrewd business man and didn’t like commercial success. It was more about his raison d’etra, aspirations and ‘business model, which differs considerably to Disney’s. I’ve also seen Lucas speak a couple of times, although admittedly I’ve never talked to him face to face, and he came across (like in most situations) like a reserved, thoughtful fella. Not driven by ego at all. I have met Scott before, and whilst I think he’s a great filmmaker, he does channel a lot of ego.


Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 7:47 am
 
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He's an elite in hollywood and he's keen on keeping that status.


Lucas was never a Hollywood elite. He's always defined himself as a San Francisco filmmaker. There are some in Hollywood who still hate the fact that he's the wealthiest independent filmmaker in history.


Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 9:07 am
 
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Bander, define independent filmmaker. At some point, when you've become the institution, I'm not certain that moniker still applies.

I know what he likes to define himself as, but, I love to define myself as my svelt hockey playing self from my 20's....but I'm not that person any more. If you listen to George talk, it's always about where "he wants to drive the industry, and he's looking to institute this, and working James (cameron) to get this technology accepted, and getting Stephen (Spielberg) to film things this way, etc". This is someone that is innovating at the hollywood level...that defines him as the cutting edge (or at least some time ago he was), which parks him, right in the middle of elite. There aren't a lot of billionaires in hollywood. He's one. There aren't alot of studio owners in hollywood, he's one (or was). I know he casts himself as the oddball out (thrown out of the director's guild, etc) but in the end, if it waddles like a duck and quack likes a duck....it's a duck.


Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 9:37 am
 
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An independent filmmaker is someone who makes films independently and outside the Hollywood system. He's never been a part of the "system," he has created his own system. The "Hollywood Elite" don't even consider him one of them. The Prequels were a huge independent venture. Saying you can't call yourself independent after you've made so much money is kind of silly. The painter Jasper Johns once sold one of his paintings for millions. That doesn't suddenly mean he can't call himself an independent artist anymore.

But anyway...


Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 12:10 pm
 

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An independent filmmaker is someone who makes films independently and outside the Hollywood system. He's never been a part of the "system," he has created his own system. The "Hollywood Elite" don't even consider him one of them. The Prequels were a huge independent venture. Saying you can't call yourself independent after you've made so much money is kind of silly. The painter Jasper Johns once sold one of his paintings for millions. That doesn't suddenly mean he can't call himself an independent artist anymore.

But anyway...

Totally agree with your points. Lucas is of course an anomaly, in terms of the level of success/cultural impact of some of his films, but as far as I’m concerned he fell into the independent filmmaker criteria... primarliy as he didn’t have to answer to anyone (post 77) but himself, both financially and creatively. Of course, he was also the head of a hugely successful company, so these things are relative... and to paraphrase Lucas himself, he became what he despised. However, I think Lucasfilm under Lucas was closer in spirit to what Apple Corp was under The Beatles circa 1969 i.e. the artists making and bankrolling the creative descions.


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The Prequels were about selling toys. If you think it's anything but that....you're fooling yourself.


Erm... What?!

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Of course, he was also the head of a hugely successful company, so these things are relative... and to paraphrase Lucas himself, he became what he despised.


How and when did that happen, exactly?


Post Posted: January 3rd 2018 1:50 pm
 
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I do enjoy how this thread has gone from reviewing The Last Jedi to a referendum on someone who hasn't been involved in the Star Wars franchise for 5 years and 3 films.

I, of course, contributed to this derailing.


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Alexrd wrote:
Cryostar wrote:
The Prequels were about selling toys. If you think it's anything but that....you're fooling yourself.


Erm... What?!

Doctor When wrote:
Of course, he was also the head of a hugely successful company, so these things are relative... and to paraphrase Lucas himself, he became what he despised.


How and when did that happen, exactly?

Are you asking how he became head of a hugely successfull company?


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Alexrd wrote:

How and when did that happen, exactly?


If you mean Lucas realizing he's become what he despised, here's a quote from "Empire of Dreams".
Personally, I don't think money was his single motivation for creating prequels and planning to create sequels. I choose to believe he's too intelligent for that. But perhaps it's just my Luke-like naivety speaking here ;).


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I do enjoy how this thread has gone from reviewing The Last Jedi to a referendum on someone who hasn't been involved in the Star Wars franchise for 5 years and 3 films.

This.....this is the way of MF.com. Strong it is in the tangents!

Bander, at some point, the idea becomes an institution....this is the way of things, and at that point, it stops being "independent".

"An independent film, independent movie, indie film or indie movie is a feature film that is produced outside the major film studio system, in addition to being produced and distributed by independent entertainment companies."

Star wars was produced by a major studio....and distributed by a major entertainment company.

THX1138 was not...but George stopped being independent after that. He may buck the system....and may have been kicked out of the Director's guild....but he is part of the machine.


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Cynicism abounds! But legends are usually more potent and inspiring than the men (or women) behind them all.

What matters is that we not blissfully suffer from the same folly if we should find ourselves in such a position. Let's continue to make our own THX 1138s, in whatever sense we do, and not become more machine than man; twisted and evil.


Post Posted: January 4th 2018 9:46 pm
 

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A thought this this was interesting. Pablo's tweets about Lucas' ideas for the ST villain.


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Interesting stuff. I don’t recall the pre-Snoke Uber name mentioned in either of the art books. I’d also forgotten about the Darth Talon tidbit. This is why I’d love to know more about Lucas’s ST ideas, not to lament or complain about what might have been or not been but because it’s fascinating to see the evolution the ideas and concepts go through before they reach the screen. It’s so easy to dismiss these films when they don’t meet our expectations but when I look through the art books or read about the early ideas I’m reminded of just how much hard work and dedication goes into imagining these worlds. Is every idea a good one? No, but none of these artists or filmmakers are looking to make something bad or to ruin Star Wars. (At least I hope not). Like life, the best laid plans sometimes just don’t work out the way we hoped.


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I don’t think anyone would suggest that, in terms of pre-production and production, there isn't a lot of craft on display. However, if it were only that simple. When first reading the art of TFA, I was struck by how many really good designs/concepts were ultimately rejected in favour of something I personally found to be inferior/derivative... everything from the look of Han Solo to Jakuu (in my opinion obviously). In terms of design for The Last Jedi, I find less to lement, primarily because I thought Johnson was a bit braver in terms of some of his design choices. Johnson’s mistakes are, IMO, largely to do with narrative, characterisation and plot choices. These were largely created by Abrams, and Johnson had compounded them... everything from emasculating all the antagonists to the point that there is no discernible peril/drama, to making Rey an entirely perfunctory and superfluous character for the final reel. In my opinion, it would have been much more dramatic if Rey had been killed in Snoke’s throne room, and it was Rey’s death that ultimately either turned Kylo back to the light or taken him forever into the dark.


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Doctor When wrote:
I When first reading the art of TFA, I was struck by how many really good designs/concepts were ultimately rejected in favor of something I personally found to be inferior/derivative... everything from the look of Han Solo to Jakuu (in my opinion obviously).


You're not the only one - there are many amazing designs in both "art of" books for TFA/TLJ, that look far more interesting than what ended up on screen.

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there is no discernible peril/drama, to making Rey an entirely perfunctory and superfluous character for the final reel. In my opinion, it would have been much more dramatic if Rey had been killed in Snoke’s throne room, and it was Rey’s death that ultimately either turned Kylo back to the light or taken him forever into the dark.


Rey should have either been killed or severely injured. She should have had her ass handed to her in the first film. We're never going to see her growth as a character. She's gone from scrap metal gatherer, to starship pilot, to starship mechanic to mastering Jedi mind tricks and taking on a trained swordsman - all in one day! Imagine what she could accomplish in one week!


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So.....I'm going out on a long, long and very thin limb here, but....

Taking the art of TFA and coupling it with the "news" that Snoke has trained at least one other apprentice....I'm holding out hope that this other apprentice....is Talon.

One of my biggest criticisms of the Sequel trilogy, is that some of the more established races have not been shown. Twi'leks? Nope. Quarren? Nope. Mon Cals? Nope (aside from Ackbar). Gran? Nope. Aqualish? Nope. Etc, etc. In fact, as a huge fan of Astromechs, it made me quite sad that only two astromechs could be seen in TLJ....I know we're supposed to move forward....but we need a bit more of a connection in the fabric....not just the big three (han, leia and luke) Anyway, criticism over....lets hope JJ throws us a bone.


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Cryostar, you're not the only one that has noticed an absence of classic OT and PT aliens races. Even in the "Art of" book for TLJ, we see artists concepts with a Twi'lek in a cocktail dress and Gran/Rodian wearing tuxedos, but in the film there is nothing of the sort. I agree, we're supposed to move forward and see new designs, but they should be mixed in with the already existing ones. George did that with the prequels - he gave us old and new designs.

Including an Ithorian, a Rodian, a Twi'lek and a Gran, would have helped sell the Casino scene to me a lot easier. My eye tries to land on something familiar, to help identify this scene as being from "Star Wars" - but it can't even do that. It's more like something out of Babylon 5 or The 5th Element to me.


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Cryostar wrote:
One of my biggest criticisms of the Sequel trilogy, is that some of the more established races have not been shown.


Yep, also noticed and one of my main criticisms for the ST. Do any of you think it's possible that these designs are all still intellectual property of Lucas(film)? It feels deliberate so I'm thinking there's an economic reasoning behind this decision? It's just a guess of course, I'm in no way an expert on licensing, trademarks and such things.


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It certainly may seem that way, but we did see an Aqualish (Ponda Baba) and a Twi'lek in Rogue One.


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Speaking of references; here's Easter eggs, cameos, and cross-product tie-ins:



Post Posted: January 11th 2018 3:39 pm
 

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I find that video totally embarrassing. Is it any wonder that Star Wars is currently such a narrative, creative mess (although admittedly financially succesfull) when it’s basically filmmaking by committee, where in an alternate universe, these people wouldn’t get a job in a Disney store. There seems to be actually more thought going into connecting Battlefront to the film than there is thought going into connecting the new films to the old ones.


Post Posted: January 11th 2018 5:42 pm
 

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I found it difficult to watch that thing until the end.

We're supposed to believe that Rey and Kylo's mind/force connection in TFA, gave Rey the ability to use the Force, like a fully fledged Jedi?
In principle, the Force can now be downloaded by a USB? That comes off as some really shitty, mid-90's EU fanfic garbage.
Seems to me, now that Dad (GL) has left, the time has come for the kids to run amok, and do whatever the fuck they want.


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Hey, but at least it ties into a mother fucking video game... :what:


Post Posted: January 18th 2018 12:31 am
 

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I am still trying to get my head around this film. I am having difficulty accepting this as an installment in the Star Wars franchise.
I was wondering to myself; what was the point of introducing a new character (Rose) if they're not going to develop an already established one (Finn).
Abrams/Kasdan introduced a pretty interesting character in TFA; a Stormtrooper that defects and joins the Resistance. You would expect that to be the beginning of a fantastic character arc, but it's completely not the case in TLJ. Instead, his character development is sidelined and we are introduced to a brand new character (Rose) for no purpose!

In ESB, we are introduced to Lando Calrissian. At the same time, we learn a bit more about Han Solo - that he won the Millennium Falcon off Lando in a card game and that the three of them (including Chewie) have a history between them. Lando isn't just there for the sake of being there - his character actually has a reason to be there.

Johnson said that the whole (groan) Canto Bight sub-plot originally was Finn and Poe that go on a mission together, but there wasn't conflict between them (?)


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