I agree with Obi-wan. However, Lucas' frustration is also my frustration. It's appears that Disney has wised up a little by "consulting" with Lucas on TROS and slowing their roll on future films.

I would love to see Lucas' drafts that were optioned by Iger.

Market forces vs. Lucas. Nothing new.

I have a feeling that the treatments may see the light of day given Lucas reportedly having thrown his hat into the ring for TROS. Not to mention a recent tide of fans newly appreciating what a rare gift Lucas' talent is and always has been.

This thread has just gotten more sexier.
I abused my administrator powers to take control of the topic along with re-authoring the main post with screenshots and text. Furthermore, even though Kyle posted in the right forum, the topic was moved to IX for more visibility. Now to pirate Iger's book here publicly.


Regarding the book's content it should have been the clear at the time the only person powerful enough to make Lucas walk back the white slaver comments was Iger. Iger also appears to be not self aware for just for publishing his behaviour in book.
I only enjoy Disney Star Wars because I consider Disney Star Wars to be Expanded Universe e.g. separate from Lucas Star Wars.

If and when LucasFilm and Disney figure out a way to bring George's version of the sequel trilogy to the public for a profit without damaging profit from their current canon, one has to believe they will. Be it books, movies, a release on Disney+.

homergreg, if that was to happen, it would likely be in the form of a comic book series a la Star Wars: Adventures of Starkiller. Lucas had these made and they were based on Lucas’ early concepts and scripts for what is now Star Wars: A New Hope. It worked because it exists outside the current Lucas/Disney canons. So maybe Lucas’ Sequel outlines could get the same treatment?

If these outlines or scripts were to become movies, first Disney would have to disown the current sequel trilogy outright and start over from scratch. They’d have to recast everyone involved. And they’d have to title all three films as STAR WARS EPISODES 7–9 with the titles with the official numbering emphasized to make clear that the Abrams trilogy is not the official trilogy. They’d have to make that clear with heavy marketing efforts. I don’t think Disney would invest a lot of money and time just to make a new trilogy and replace the shitty trilogy they made with it. Plus it would open Disney up to a lot of lawsuits and I don’t think they want to deal with that.

Freezus, I would never imagine any kind of reboot around that stuff. More thinking low budget "alternate reality" shows or films to make profit from it. Much like what you mention with the Starkiller comics, just via a video medium. I don't ever see then putting their canon around the whills.

Iger: a common trait of a bamboozler and liar- "Wine and dine" the victim. Make them believe anything then do the opposite. Iger reads to me like he's some crooked car salesman who will do anything to get anything they want.

Thanks for posting, d-psyc!

I see a less-than-zero percent chance Lucas's ST treatments ever see the light of day. Disney has to know they would be begging for a PR mess, were that to ever happen. All it would do is open itself up to questioning, second-guessing, and outright denial of Ep. 7-9. And I can't say I would blame people for feeling that way.

I am, and have always been, a George Lucas fan first. His vision and execution of the total story - all of his films AND the animation - are unmatched, past, present and future. I would pay an offensive amount of money to read through his Ep. 7 8 9 treatments. But I also don't think that day will ever come.

I found the info in the post below interesting.
I may even want to cut Iger some slack now.

For the record, I never saw the story group as creative nor filmmakers, just connect-the-dots record keepers: https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress. ... ventually/

Never been to SWID until I came across the article I posted.

While aware of some hate filled rants regarding TLJ and the SJW stuff, I found the comments from the WDW employee in the article to be non-threatening, level-headed, interesting and informative.

From experience, I could see the demeanor and approach of KK as being less extremist than those younger individuals on the same side of the political spectrum.

In regards to RJ, It was a well-crafted film, but not of the tone and style of the other films in the saga that GL established. JJ gets this tone and style. RJ made a sci-fi/fantasy epic, not a space opera.

With all that's transpired, I can see the franchise being hijacked for sociopolitical change by those mentioned in the article. If their views and approach are proven true, they are literally turning the franchise into a Psyop on the audience.

What bothers me the most is that SW always transcended politics and was apolitical. It was deeper.

If there are employees who want to utilize SW to push for change then I am more upset that they are using an IP built on the passion of others and primarily GL to push an agenda.

They have no stake in what was built, they are only standing on the shoulders of others and making it their own personal soap box. They are not creatives, nor artists nor filmmakers - they are parasites.

They can do nothing without the likes of JJ, GL, DF, etc.

But at the same time, do the inmates now run the asylum?

That aside, I LONG FOR THE DAYS OF RICK MACULLUM'S BRASS TAX ENTHUSIASM FOR FILMMAKING

I miss the days of McCallum and his colorful metaphors.

There's a great interview with McCallum about producers and what their job REALLY is and how an EP credit means nothing and how the producer label these days doesn't encapsulate what it used to mean.

Put yourselves in Lucas's shoes. Would you feel any differently about this thing that you created, that brought so much to your life (good and bad...it's about more than just money). He first conceived of Star Wars in 1973, same year I was born. So my literal entire lifetime, this thing has occupied a great majority of his waking time.

How would you feel if *anyone* else took possession of it, regardless of the perceived quality? You'd have doubts, questions, pride, angst...a mix of all emotions, as something that is all-consuming would have.

if any of you have built your own houses...you planned every detail. You then lived in it. Raised children in it. Had celebrations, conflicts, beginnings, endings, and all inbetween. You then sold your house, a business and life decision, and the new tenants redecorated from top to bottom...you'd feel a bit emotional about that, no?

I know it makes for good headlines and click bait, but I find the whole Lucas vs. Disney bullshit to be totally overblown and irrelevant. It's exactly like royalguard96 describes it - whether it's selling a house you built or selling your business, the reality is that new management is always going to want to do things their own way. If Lucas was so concerned about his vision for the sequel trilogy (and I'd argue he wasn't because he spent more than a decade refuting its existence), then he shouldn't have sold Lucasfilm and he should have produced it himself.

It's also laughable how soon the same fans who hated "yippeee! I don't like sand" Anakin, Jar Jar Binks and "I don't know what I'm doing in these movies" Portman have come to laud Lucas' credibility as a storyteller in the face of Disney's apparent destruction of his saga's integrity.

Either enjoy the movies or don't. Who cares. They're movies.

I recall Mark saying he met with George about the ST and GL explained the whole idea... then Disney got involved.

Yep and if you flip through the Art of TFA book, you'll see many of the artists including Chiang said many of the early art concepts in the book was from when Lucas was leading the production.. Luke with a manbun? A Lucas-era concept. Kira (Rey) swimming in the DS II Throne Room that was underwater? Another Lucas concept that's now being realized in TROS.

Even Chiang at the time of TLJ said he did a concept art of a Jedi village for TFA. The only reason Lucas started up production of TFA was because the Clone Wars got critical acclaim. So, that put Lucas in a happy mood. He was like, "Okay, I wanna direct Episode 7 to help guide the next generation of directors then sell the company to whoever it is."

I've talked to the guy who runs it on twitter. him, jeremy griggs from geeks and gamers, jar jar abrams, all these TFM people. it's really really sad and pathetic. how miserable their lives must be. especially on a general wordpress blog; he's not making any ad revenue! at least you can make the case some of these clowns are just doing it for the money. this idiot can't even set up a proper website. I have with wordpress, completely customized, etc. I don't do outrage for monetization but if you do good content and know how the google algorithm works you can make decent adsense revenue if you know what you're doing.

Also, as I've been saying, Lucas was more involved in TROS than people realize. It's, more or less, ending out the Saga the way he envisioned originally. at least that's what I was told. he's more than just a "creative consultant" on this film. he mapped out a good chunk of the scenario with JJ.

I don't personally. But who knows. an EP credit really means nothing these days, but Disney probably wouldn't want his name attached like that, and George may not even want it given his perceived relationship with the fans.

I've read where producing The Clone Wars re-energized Lucas. It didn't have the same level of viewership as the films, but those who watched the series were pretty universal in supporting it, both as fans and critically. It won awards, and I feel, each season got subsequently better. The Mortis Trilogy and Yoda Arc (seasons 3 and 6) went deeper into the Force than any visual medium ever had.

In my utopic mind, JJ brought Lucas in to consult on TROS as a sign of respect for his legacy with the franchise as well as getting practical assistance from a wrapping-up-the-big-story standpoint.

JJ's recent quotes about answering every question and putting a bow on this whole thing could not have been legitimately executed by anyone on earth without the heavy involvement of Lucas. I think JJ is smart enough to use every resource available to him and there's no better resource for him on this particular project than Lucas. That connection has both practical and sentimental purposes, but either way, I'm just happy he's involved at this stage.

Lucas never should have sold it.
He has to live with the consequences.
Regret sucks.

I don't understand why he didn't keep it and let someone else run it and make the films.

He had Filoni.
He could've gotten Favreau.

I'd rather see a Favreau Star Wars movie than a JJ Abrams one.
And fuck Rian Johnson.

I guess it came down to not wanting to risk his own cash for movies he was not making himself.