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Ki Adi, Right about Lucas - I’ve been saying he always had a plan with the first six movies.
He even had a plan with TFA UNTIL Disney threw it out of the window.

I would totally buy the JJ/Lucas cut on blu-ray. #fuckthedisneycut.
Btw, TFA and TLJ deserves a special edition.

I would do the following:

-Fix the ending of TFA. the revolving shot of Luke and Rey still looks goofy. Change it to a Lucasian wide shot of both characters.
-Change the time setting of TLJ to about a year later. Remodel some of the scenes to make it look like Rey has been training on her own.
-Remove the scene about war profiteering completely.

-Replace the pointless broom boy ending with something else, why not do one where Rey sits down in the Falcon and she starts to read the Jedi texts then looks up to a window a la the ending of Empire or Leia and have a sign of hope for the future of the Jedi?


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Yep and remember Hayden was at the last few Celebrations and before Disney came to him, he didn’t want to do any more Star Wars. Clearly Disney paid him a lot of money more than Lucas ever paid him. This is evident otherwise he wouldn’t have done these celebrations.


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I feel bad for Hayden because after watching AOTC recently, I actually think it's really good.

The fireplace scene may have been cringey, but that's how an 18 year old or so kinda talks. At least I identified with it as a 16 year old when the film came out. Those were good times...we were all at Episode-X around that time I believe. Then after came another board I think, and then MF.

Hayden is vastly underrated, and they shafted him so bad. But I have no doubt that was the studio. And. Possibly Liam Neeson on screen? Holy fucking shit that would have been amazing with Anakin and Obi-Wan. (His voice was there pretty prominently.


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That piece of the script referencing the Shaman of the Whills. Neeson allegedly recorded lines but they threw it all out. Sad.


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Yep and the Lucas version of TFA from what he said, his version of ST was going to cover the Whills.

God, I love being right about the ST from day one and everyone here gave me shit over it. Now I’m grinning from ear to ear.


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Yep if the JJ/Lucas cut gets released, I’m going to LMAO because it’ll have proved that Rey is actually a Skywalker lol.


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Yep I even referenced the TFA novelization and everyone was dumb enough to bash me for it.


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Lucas was dead-on with his 2015 "white slavers" remark.


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And did them a "fuck you" when his 2019 SE cut of the OT was stealth uploaded to Disney+. Even Disney had no idea lol


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Disney made its money back from the 2012 purchase. That's literally all it cares about. It will weather bad publicity. It doesn't care about Hayden, Lucas, JJ, any of them.

I'm not defending any of this. Not at all. And as justifiably upset we and others may feel, the big corporation laughs and makes its deposits.


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I'm in contact with Lucasfilm_Insider trying to get more info to see if he's legit. Standby.


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Heroic. May the Force be with you.


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I believe in you, Ki Adi. You are our Rogue One. I hope all of this wins out so we can push back the evil corporate machine.


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Fuck yeah! In the true spirit of an MF ninja. Or as the legends would have it. :heavymetal:


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Ki Adi,

I’m loving how Disney is on damage control like never before. Wanna bet that the executives are like, “Oh shit, shit shit!” They’re probably cursing George Lucas’ name like never before lmao.


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Box office worldwide grosses since 2015:

TFA - $2.068 billion
TLJ - $1.333 billion
TROS - $815 million
Rogue One - $1.056 billion
Solo - $392 million

Total revenue for those 5 films - $5.664 billion. Total budget for those 5 films - $1.285 billion. Profit - $4.379 billion. Value given to Lucas in exchange for Lucasfilm - $4.4 billion, with half that in cash, half in stocks. And the ticket revenue from TROS will easily keep climbing for a couple months at minimum.

I realize this is a total pipe dream, but I would love to know who *exactly* was pulling the strings for Disney here. There are names...JJ, Kennedy, Pablo, etc. that we can all tag and associate with the construction of the plot and the final product. But terms like "Disney meddling" and "corporate" beg for much deeper detail. Like who?

Who exactly felt they had the knowledge, the right and the judgment to alter significant parts of the final film? What was their reasoning and motivation? Did they really think appeasing Reylo fans with that kiss, at the cost of the most unnecessary and out-of-character moment of TROS, would work in their favor? Two women run a podcast called Skytalkers, and there are no two bigger Reylo fans than those two. TROS gave them exactly what they wanted, and since its release, those two have done nothing but openly mock, and throw shade, at TROS.

It's bizarre. And keep in mind, this is the same corporation that has produced The Mandalorian.

Who are the people/persons responsible for final cut? Final cut is usually a pretty strong negotiating point between a director and a studio. It's often a make-or-break detail for one side or the other. If Disney truly re-cut the film after JJ's final cut, JJ could very well have grounds for a breach-of-contract suit, one he'd likely win. Then again, as much as large companies jump through hoops to avoid lawsuits, it's hard to imagine anyone at Disney being that brazen.

I consider both JJ and Rian Johnson to be gifted storytellers and talented filmmakers.
I wish nothing but success for them both in the future, and I hope Star Wars benefits from their talents in the future.

The detail I just can't get past in all this is...what's the best story to tell post-ROJ that involves the Skywalker-Solo family? What's the next natural evolutionary direction for those characters? As someone who's education and professional career centers on writing and communication, I have a hard time composing a story that easily picks up where ROJ - that of the ultimate fairy tale happy ending - left off.

The most obvious answer to me is to follow Luke on a journey to re-establish the Jedi Order. There are plenty of story notes that could hit. Antagonists can be found in every corner. They don't necessarily need to be part of a Nazi-like oppressive government. Followers of the Sith lore - shown in shadow in TROS - could provide a nice natural enemy here, and something for Luke to play off of as he searches for students. That's a damn compelling story right there. Even Ben Solo's turn, the key catalyst in all of the ST, was virtually ignored by Disney until the newly released Rise of Kylo Ren comic. THAT was the best story to tell, and would have been ideally suited as the centerpiece of an Episode 7.

Part of Disney's challenge was in the natural aging of the 3 principle actors involved. Had Ep. 7-8-9 been filmed during the prequel era - 1997-2005 - they'd all be much more viable action-oriented characters and gives a storyteller many more options for where to steer those characters. But their hands were so tied because of how old - and sadly, the loss of Carrie Fisher - everyone was.


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lol the way you guys find some justification for the pile of shit we got. it never ceases to amaze me. George had treatments and seemed just fine with the actors being older. this is a Disney issue. They had no idea what they were doing.


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I agree with you Ki Adi. They’re just pulling excuses out of their asses. Remember they’re the same people that bashed me for saying that the ST is a piece of shit.

Just remember... TLJ made money but IS considered a flop. Now Disney has three flops on their hands. Yikes.


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Wouldnt the novelization have a lot of this or did Disney get to the novel writers with a new story without JJ knowing? This is heavy conspiracy stuff with emotions creating your facts. I tend to land with the cooler heads. Im sure a ton of stuff was cut or edited, but Im sure JJ knew what was goin on... even if he didnt like it.


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Looks like the story is gaining a little more steam. Seen this on Twitter too. This is the guy I leaked to and the outlet does very well, which is why I chose it. It has a nice breakdown and even includes an interview with Terrio, which alludes to Palpatine...being more of a dark spirit, a culmination of a "ancient evil"...which is not the Palpatine we know. Lucas debunked this (I used to theorize Palpatine was like 1,000 years old but was masking his appearance...this was not the case and he confirmed it.)


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Yep and #ReleaseTheJJCut is still there on Twitter too.


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I took some screenshots yesterday. Let me upload them and check again on my phone and make another cup of coffee (still morning here.)

It's crazy, it got to like #2 trending. I know people are comparing it to the Snyder cut, but Snyder left with a significant amount of the film not finished. JJ did not.


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And didn't Snyder say he would keep some of the scenes that Joss Wheldon shot just with some CGI and editing changes?

But what JJ has is a 3 hour long cut that's finished and just sitting there in his house or a vault somewhere in Disney.

I really hope the cut gets released.


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I don't think it's released, but, I think it may leak. It's leak galore right now and I could totally see this happening.


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If it gets leaked, I deserve to see it with subtitles since I'm deaf and all. Too bad George can't start a new publishing company so he can release some "fan" films.


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What if the terminally ill fan who Disney allowed to see TROS weeks before it was released was privy to the JJ cut? :lol:


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Guys just telling you, I'm in contact with Lucasfilm_Insider. For privacy reasons I'm not going to reveal too much because I don't want to put him in jeopardy, but, I can give you my assessment as to whether he's a LARPer or not.

DP, I trust you. Watch out for a PM soon. I'll give you what he tells me and I'll maybe reveal some bits here if I think he's legit.


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I trust you, Ki Adi over these assholes here.


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Yeah, bad taste. Sorry. :(


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Somnambulist,

Since you owned it up and apologized to Ki Adi, I’m going to forgive you for that comment and I’m going to Move on.

Ki Adi, ask the Insider if in the JJ cut, was Rey always a Skywalker?


Post Posted: January 5th 2020 8:20 am
 
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Yep that's one thing I want to ask him. It's possible they did change her lineage in reshoots. The whole film is a mess and taped together; so many scenes are re-purposed, etc., and you can tell watching it. It jumps around is just lacks any vision or cohesion. Also with that IGN interview with Terrio, he's very careful. Explains Palpatine "in this iteration/version" as an ancient "dark spirit" and the source of "all evil in the galaxy".

That sounds more like an interpretation of The Son to me, but changed a bit to fit general audiences, which I HAVE SAID on this board that I believe they'd change some things if it were The Son to make it accessible. Obviously Disney did not agree.


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Yep I guess we’ll have to wait and see.


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I'm sorry, I really find all of this a bit ridiculous. JJ is one of the most powerful directors in Hollywood, with a proven track record (in terms of money generation, not content) and has been so for the last decade. He also just signed a multi-million dollar deal with WB, who, while not as big as Disney, are still in their very exclusive ballpark of worth.

The point is, he's not some random guy making movies in his mom's basement, and this notion of "poor JJ the victim" does not line up with reality at all. I find it really hard to believe that "they" (whoever "they" are) were just bullying him around like some 1st year film school clown and he took it all like a meek puppy.

This leaker is implying that JJ had no leverage or influence in the making of this movie, which I think is utter bullshit. This is either JJ in full damage control trying to CYA or, more cynically, an attempt by Disney to prep the waters for a "JJ cut" release that will see the 20% hardcore Star Wars fans rush back to the theatres, and the 70% of people who didn't like it/were lukewarm/the Fandom Menace buy more tickets in order to see the "true" film in full righteous indignation.


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I didn't realize it was an argument. Look I've passed around the info I was given, strangely enough some guy is coming out with my info and other things I know of I never included, which gives it some credence in my book. Now the whole thing about disney wanting to sabatoge JJ because of DC or some shit like that? GTFO. I just compiled all the info. And while I think TROS was a mess, I'm kind of neutral in all of this. I just know what I know though.


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And you’re a Disney shill. Everyone knows it’s a terrible movie.


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