Josh Griffen's Spoiler Seasons

[darthpsychotic]

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RE: Does Episode III have the tightest security yet?

"The security isn't better, just the threats on websites if we posted what was leaked.

JG"


"Wait until you see the Hayden vs. Count Dooku as Palpatine smiles in the background on the doomed confederate cruiser. Capital ships rocking each other behind them out the large windows. Tri-fighters vs clone fighters, the new Jedi starfighters all wipping around. Truly a sight to behold.

And the spoiler drama with LFL has been going on for YEARS, so anyone claiming a conflict with Hyperspace is wrong. I still stand by what we said then, and think they've done a great job of becoming TFN. Isn't that what they wanted in the first place?

JG"


"PS: There are those rules now, can't post text even.

I didn't post the "Yoda fart" thing and am REALLY glad LFL did say anything. I'm still in shock it was played at ILM's dailies. ((FWIW, it is still in the latest rough cut of the film))

Besides that, we can't even link to something too hot from the main page or we will be considered as having posting it ourselves. That's why the latest rounds of images haven't been leaked intentionally to the underground as the last.

LFL used to lead the charge in internet promotion and fan relationships. Now?

JG"


"Guys, there really ISN'T too much more to know. That is why LFL was so mad. And this was a YEAR ago now ...

JG"

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Spy Report: The Death of R4

You might remember a ($$$) Before The Helmet image entitled "Get Them Off Me!" In which you can see buzz droids crawling about on the outside of Obi-Wan's starfighter during the opening space battle over Coruscant. These little droids are nasty buggers and basically try to cut open the hull of any ship they attach to and carve up the internal mechanics.

Well, fans of Obi-Wan's latest droid sidekick, R4, might not believe their eyes when the helpless droid is attacked by buzz droids and DECAPITATED. That's right, a couple of these little guys cut open R4 at the base of his dome (with buzz saws on arms, no less) and pry it off, revealing his rusty innards in a spray of sparks.

Obi-Wan's reaction to this arguably disturbing sight?
"Oh dear."

JG

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RE: Episode III Humble Pie-Eating Contest

Grievous vs. Shaak Ti was in the original scripts for the film. It was cut at the end of preproduction because it introduced the character of Grievous too early in the film. It was felt by Lucas that he needed to estabish the opening plot and Jedi relationships before GG came onto the scene.

So, from a certain point of view, there's no pie to be eaten if you believed this one.

JG

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RE: Sidious' NEW TESB look - related to his look in EP III?

"Yup, that's pretty much the way he looks in ROTS. Except for his red blade short-handled lightsaber and his cloaks are more senatorial-looking.

There's this great publicity shot of Anakin and Palpatine standing back to back with lit lightsabers. So sweet ...

JG"


"LFL has it somwhere, I would guess.

JG"


"Yes, I've seen him.
JG"

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Spy Report: What is thine Bidding?

Just a quick tidbit from what is reported to be one of the coolest scenes in the movie. Obi-Wan discovers the evil Sith plot and Palpatine's rise to power in Episode III.

The Jedi master is watching a hologram survelliance transmission when he is startled to see Anakin enter the room. It is then he realizes Anakin is a servant to the evil Palpatine. Obi-Wan's face grows with concern as Anakin bows in allegiance to the Dark Side at Palpatine's feet.

JG

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RE: ComicCon: SE Heritage series cards at Topps booth: E3 pics? Mace death?

"Padme is basically in a coma from the time that Anakin chokes her until she eventually dies. The children are "born" near the end of this sequence.

JG"


"She might say a few words, I just understand "coma after choke til the end." It would be cool if she could mumble some words and hold Leia.

And yes, Yoda vs. Sidious and Yoda "not having his best day" is very much a Episode III reality. Keep in mind, it is a shorter scene than most are thinking.

JG"

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RE: Adjustable Sabers, BIG and small

Palpatine's saber is the same length as a normal one. His handle is shorter and can easily be held in one hand. Not that that is significant ...

JG

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[Vanda]

Jesus... was this all posted in one day?

Quite an end to a drought (though nothing terribly new). I paricularly liked getting confirmation as to the whole Shaak Ti deal, which was confusing the hell out of me. I'm disappointed it was cut, though. Now Grievous is even MORE of a disposable bad guy.

How are we gonna be afraid for Obi-Wan when he goes to find Grievous when we've never even seen what he can do? Not to mention that how is the audience going to understand who Obi-Wan is going after and WHY when they haven't seen him and seen what he can do?

And finally, if Grievous isn't in the beginning, how does Obi-Wan get injured (so that Anakin has to carry him)? Wasn't it Grievous that supposedly did that to him? I guess Dooku must get to him somehow, so that Anakin and Dooku can duel solo and Anakin can take care of business.

[Forcechoke]

Yeah, the whole Grievous thing, if true, reeks of what happened to Dooku in AOTC.

[KitFisto]

DP can we get a confirmation on these ?

[Ziggy]

That's one problem with being a spoiler addict. Imagine the outcry if the extended Wampa scene was widely reported before TESB.

No matter how "cool" a scene may be, if it's unneeded or hurts pacing, it's gone.

Lucas is pretty merciless when it comes to editing.

[KitFisto]

Lucas is pretty merciless when it comes to editing.

Anytime you edit, you have to be merciless. If you aren't your pieces losses all of its momentum.

[Vanda]

LOL - my massive paragraph post developed spacing. Amazing. :p

Grievous is still in the opening act. Bank on it.

Why's that, mecha? Personal gut feeling or more?

[Zidious]

Josh says the GG vs. Shaak Ti bit was cut out, not every GG scene at the start of the movie.

[Benovite]

There's this great publicity shot of Anakin and Palpatine standing back to back with lit lightsabers. So sweet ...

JG"

Fuck I can't wait to see that one.

[vanillazinger]

Whoa, is Sidious finally going to do the "wielding-his-saber-by-the-Force" trick? Or he just throws it? Or is Josh just implying that he doesn't bother to use his saber at all? Hmm.

[Vanda]

Josh says the GG vs. Shaak Ti bit was cut out, not every GG scene at the start of the movie.

It was cut at the end of preproduction because it introduced the character of Grievous too early in the film. It was felt by Lucas that he needed to estabish the opening plot and Jedi relationships before GG came onto the scene.

Cutting ONLY the beheading still introduces GG "too early in the film."

Whoa, is Sidious finally going to do the "wielding-his-saber-by-the-Force" trick? Or he just throws it? Or is Josh just implying that he doesn't bother to use his saber at all? Hmm.

It seemed to me that by the "not significant" comment, he meant that the length of the lightsaber's handle is not at all significant to anyone but us. Normal casual fans are not gonna see the film and say "hey, Palps' lightsaber handle is shorter than everyone else's!"

However, if he did indeed mean that Palps controls his saber with the Force, I'm not quite sure what to think of that. I can see that working against a lesser Jedi, I guess, but Yoda is the best Jedi swordsman. I can't see him being held at bay by that.

[Zidious]

It was felt by Lucas that he needed to estabish the opening plot and Jedi relationships before GG came onto the scene.

Still room for GG. It could easily mean his introduction is delayed just a bit.

If he meant to say "No GG on the ship at the beginning", why didn't he just say so?

[Fields]

Cutting ONLY the beheading still introduces GG "too early in the film."

True, but I can't believe that he would be completely cut from the opening battle. Not only would it have significant changes for the battle itself, it also weakens Obi-Wan's story for the middle of the movie. The beheading was probably cut for either being too violent or for being just another action moment in an already lengthy sequence. If it was even cut at all.

[Hade]

My thread got Trash Compactor treatment?

Now that was harsh.


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I think establishing Jedi relationships means some banter and scenes between Obi-Wan and Anakin at the beginning.

GG should still be on the ship. If I had to guess, I'd say Shaak-Ti being killed by Grievous came at a time when Palpatine's kidnapping sequence may have been an actual part in the film.

It seems that George decided to go with Palpatine already being held captive at the start of the film with the space battle now set as the opening shot.

Still, I think it is a mistake for us not to see Grievous actually kill some Jedi. He is supposed to be a Jedi hunter after all.

Simply informing us that he kills Jedi and keeps their lightsabers as trophies doesn't cut it.

We should see him kill at least one Jedi.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

Everybody knows that Josh Griffen created Star Wars.

[foxbatkllr]

I'm playing the role of Josh Griffen in a fanfilm.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

Is that like playing a bad guy wrestler?

[Forcechoke]

I'm playing the role of Josh Griffen in a fanfilm.

It takes guts to admit that in public.

[foxbatkllr]

Its just for a small cameo...Josh was supposed to play himself but he backed out at the last minute so Chris Knight contacted me because apparently I resemble Josh a bit.

[Forcechoke]

Wow, that's really.... weird.

What's it about, if I may ask? Or do I have to wait for a Spoiler Season at TF.N?

[foxbatkllr]

It's called Forcery http://forcery.kwerkyproductions.com/default.asp

I don't really know much about it...all I know is I'm filming myself for like one scene pretending to be Josh and then sending them the footage.

[Benovite]

I still stand by what we said then, and think they've done a great job of becoming TFN. Isn't that what they wanted in the first place?

What a self-important asshole.

Regardless of how much you may despise Josh, TFN, sheep culture or whatever- he is right, from a certain point of view. SW.com essentially used TFn as a working model for how a successful SW site can be run. That mostly includes message boards and spoilers added to the official site.

I mean shit you can hate as much as you want but the bottom line is SW.com owes a shitload to TFN for showing how it can be done and then some, especially when it comes to Hyperspace. The one thing TFN could never do is charge for spoilers because it's all Lucas' stuff. That was one area SW.com could capitalize on and I'm sure they're still kicking themselves for waiting until Episode 3 for it to get started. Think of the lost revenue LFL could have gotten had it began Hyperspace around the time of the making of Episode 2.

[Forcechoke]

No, he's right, TF.N is a great model for exploiting a fanbase and turning a them into a drooling horde of mindless bickering dorks.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

I think at one point Pablo said they wanted to be the CNN of Star Wars news because TFN was the National Enquirer of Star Wars news. It was in his Q&A thread, I think.

I don't know if Fatboy was referencing that quote, but if he wasn't, if just proves his point a bit more.

[foxbatkllr]

I don't have anything personal against Josh... I don't even know him so I'm not gonna sit here and talk shit about him. I did talk to Chris Knight on the phone and he seems like a really cool guy though.

[Vanda]

It was felt by Lucas that he needed to estabish the opening plot and Jedi relationships before GG came onto the scene.

Still room for GG. It could easily mean his introduction is delayed just a bit.

If he meant to say "No GG on the ship at the beginning", why didn't he just say so?

You ignored the more important part of the quote:

It was cut at the end of preproduction because it introduced the character of Grievous too early in the film.

You're saying that by cutting the beheading and delaying his introduction by five minutes or so, that it's still not too early in the film? I don't understand how ten minute in is too early but fifteen minutes in isn't.

But then again, I'm not Lucas. I actually hope you're right. I don't want to NOT see Grievous at the beginning, because then Obi-Wan's subplot would be really confusing. Also, like others said, just being told that he's a great Jedi Hunter isn't really sufficient - we should see it. That makes this cut rather distressing.

I guess I just interpreted that quote different from you, though in this case I hope I'm wrong.


And I REALLY hope this isn't the first of a lot of Episode III cuts that kill the movie a la all the cuts in AOTC. I thought we could avoid knowing what was cut without a script, but perhaps not.

[vanillazinger]

You're saying that by cutting the beheading and delaying his introduction by five minutes or so, that it's still not too early in the film? I don't understand how ten minute in is too early but fifteen minutes in isn't.

Five minutes is a long time for two characters to be onscreen together. I can see how delaying Grievous's entry by that much can make a real difference in the flow of the story. Plus the shock of a Jedi beheading might have overshadowed the less dramatic elements of Anakin and Obi-Wan's friendship.

[Vanda]

Good points, vz and DV. Makes sense.

[ratmankey]

I didn't post the "Yoda fart" thing and am REALLY glad LFL did say anything. I'm still in shock it was played at ILM's dailies. ((FWIW, it is still in the latest rough cut of the film))

What the fuck is this about?

[Thundercracker]

I'm confused. What does the beheading have to do with Grievous's introduction?

Because originally Obi-Wan and Anakin's first encounter with Grievous had him executing Shaak Ti before they fought. So really, him killing Shaak Ti was GG's introduction.

I'm wondering if somebody still gets bumped off during the TF cruiser adventure since Shaak Ti's death seems out at least at the beginning. I was rereading some of the set diaries, and in "Today's Thrilling Chapter" it mentions that someone other that the script protected stars would get sacrificed to show just how perilous the situation was. This could be referring to another Jedi or just some random Neimoidian flunky but it's interesting.

[heels1785]

I Really just hope that he doesn't create another lame jedi character to be sacrificed in the movie like in the cartoon series, seeing Greivous take down a character who survived Geonosis would mean a lot more, I think...

[Hade]

As for GG, it makes good sense to cut the shaak assasination.

Well, he needs to kill someone.

Hyping him as a Jedi killer and never showing it would be a new low.

[vanillazinger]

They photographed a passle on nameless Jedi during reshoots, I think appearing with Obi-Wan. Maybe some of them are Grievous's victims. Oddly, someof them appeared to be carrying blasters.

[Guru]

yoda fart is on Kashyyyk if I remember corectly. When he plays the fool to the turned clones.

As for GG, it makes good sense to cut the shaak assasination.

Pablo seems to shoot the fart "spoiler" down in his latest Post Notes. He points out, rather glaringly, that the Editorial Department have a nack for putting comedy sounds in the preview reels.

[PTGrievous]

The first half of trailer consists of a familiar voice over with Alec Guinness. Fans will love to hear him speak his monologue to Luke from A New Hope about "Jedi Knights always being the guardians of peace." As we hear these familiar phrases, they've intercut shots from various Star Wars episodes, excluding Episode 3. Only when the monologue ends with "Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force" about 40 seconds into the trailer do we see the face of Anakin. He is partly covered with dark hood, looking positively evil.

This is followed by the shot of erupting volcanoes, then some sort of volcanic field with crab-like creatures and then darkness, all accompanied by Vader breathing. Then the following is heard:

Sidious: "Lord Vader..."

Vader: "Yes?"

Sidious: "Rise."

Then we see Anakin in full Vader gear rising on some sort of operating table to which he is chained. The rising is slow and is intercut with shot of various Star Wars main characters. When the table has fully risen so that Vader is basically standing upright, the meatiest part of trailer begins, with many, many shots from Episode III. Most of them are very, very short - this will be something for freeze-frame fanatics to analyze.

The ones that stuck in my memory:

Dozens of Wookiees on some sort of floating platform.

Padme with signature Leia hairdo.

The Tri-Fighter, aka the precursor to the TIE fighter with three curving wings and guns mounted between each wing. They shoot red lasers.

The ARC Clonefigthter, aka the precursor to X-Wing, with three wings on each side.

A gigantic starship being sprayed by streams of something that looks like dense acid.

The trailer ends with the title "THE SAGA IS COMPLETE - MAY 2005" and is about 100 seconds long.

And with this post I will announce my resignation effective 11/1/04 as Editor of TFN. Nothing related to this, just something I've been thinking about for quite a while. More details soon ... MTFBWYA

JG

Very soon now...

[Zidious]

Sounds cool. I like the ANH tie-in. It should grab the attention of casual fans.

If that Sidious/Vader dialog ("Lord Vader", "Yes?") is the first words spoken after Anakin awakes, it might mean he got the name Vader beforehand. No way to know for sure, of course.

[PTGrievous]

If that Sidious/Vader dialog ("Lord Vader", "Yes?") is the first words spoken after Anakin awakes, it might mean he got the name Vader beforehand. No way to know for sure, of course.

I think it's pretty likely he gets Sith-Knighted (like the Queen, but with a lightsaber... ow my shoulder!) and the Vader name AFTER killing Mace and BEFORE going to town on the Jedi Temple.
After all... Vader doesn't represent the suit, it's a facet of Anakin's persona. We saw Vader slaughtering the Tuskens in Episode II

[Vanda]

I think it's pretty likely he gets Sith-Knighted (like the Queen, but with a lightsaber... ow my shoulder!) and the Vader name AFTER killing Mace and BEFORE going to town on the Jedi Temple.
After all... Vader doesn't represent the suit, it's a facet of Anakin's persona.

At last, one of them has understood.

[vanillazinger]

(like the Queen, but with a lightsaber... ow my shoulder!)

Which explains why he gets that saber-resistant shoulder piece later.

[Vanda]

the site is going to hit the shitter after Episode III anyway.

Am I to assume that it didn't reach that point years ago?

[vanillazinger]

Josh just dropped another one. Quite interesting.

[Zidious]

Josh:

There is another Darth ... one we've never heard of before in the Star Wars to my knowledge. How could he tie into the film? If they doesn't appear in person, perhaps the character is part of the backstory? And on a related note, did you know the Journal of the Whills is in Episode III?

JG

My first guess is that Sidious talks about this Darth (long since dead) when he explains Sith history.

EDIT: He added a bit more.

Sorry, tucking the kids in bed. Got to catch up to live MNF on TiVo, but until then, another clue:

Tyrannus - NO
Bane - NO

But like Lucas has used "negative" words before, this one holds true. Vader-invader, Tyrranus-tyranny, etc.

JG

[Wrath Mania]

Didn't Lucas come up with the name Darth Bane?

[Zidious]

Don't know if Josh is high, can't type properly, or is serious:

DarthFez was amazingly close.

DARTH PLAGUEIS - there are scores of legends about this Sith. But was he was powerful enought to cheat death? Certainly he could at least use the power of the Force to lengthen his life.

JG

[vanillazinger]

See, my instincts tell me this has to be totally made up. My experience then reminds me that Lucas's character names often elicit that reaction from me.

[Faid]

Well if it's pronounced like "Pelagis" it's not that bad. But come on, Plagueis? Pathetic.

[VT-16]

DARTH PLAGUEIS - there are scores of legends about this Sith. But was he was powerful enought to cheat death? Certainly he could at least use the power of the Force to lengthen his life.

Why do I get the feeling this might be Sidious previous name, and this story is all about him? If this is even true, that is.

And Plagueis is hardly any worse than Tyranus. I still picture a goddamn T-Rex everytime I hear that name.

[PTGrievous]

And Plagueis is hardly any worse than Tyranus. I still picture a goddamn T-Rex everytime I hear that name.

If you're not familiar with the word: Tyrant :P

[PTGrievous]

If this is true, I take it Plagueis comes from the word plague. I couldn't find any other similar words, but I didn't exactly do any deep searching either.

Could it also be that this is the first Sith lord, and hence where the plague bit comes into play?

Or maybe plaque :P
... tartar? decay? gingavitis?
I'm a bit nutty right now.

[SI]

why not just make it Darth Vengeance...?

Plagueis...?