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I scanned and posted the origin of Grievous from Visionaries on www.SithClan.Net but since we don't want bandwidth problems, I hosted them also on imageshack for you guys.












Update

Here's the Ben Kenobi vs Darth Maul at the Lars Farm. This story takes place 3 years after RotS...










Here's the story of the beginning of the war on Kashyyyk.

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http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/comics/news20050214.html

Complete awesomeness!

Also just the fact that Sifo-Dyas was kept cryogentically frozen.
The Sith freeze or mummify the dead while the Jedi cremate their
dead by funeral pyre. Did anyone else notice that after Grievous
presumably had the blood transfusion his eyes turned yellow?

The 4th slide on page 6 rocks.

Thank you very much, Spider!

Looking forward to the Ryan Church paintings.

Well, isn't Owen Lars a little bitch. Obi-Wan saves his ass, and he tells him to never come back. What BS.

The Grevious stuff was awesome, tho. However, I don't get why the MagnaGuards just stand around going "What's wrong?" while Grevious is kicking their tails. Wouldn't they go into self-preservation mode and start fighting after the first one got destroyed?

Very cool artwork & scans. Thanks!

-Los Marillios

Damn. Kenobi and Lars working together.

That Obi/Maul thing is the stupidest shit I've ever seen. Good god I hate the EU. Money or not, if I was Lucas, I wouldn't be licenscing these horrible rip offs.

i fuckin totally agree...

yeah but maul...comon they coulda found a better plot than maul....

You know, I think this is the first time an official image has emerged of what Anakin looks like deep-fried. It's not so detailed as to answer every question, but I think it gives us a good idea of what he'd look like.

I'm wondering if all the stuff they're doing with the comics is showing a supportable return.

I actually liked both of those. The Grievous one was especially well done, but the Kenobi/Maul *almost* worked in spite of the silliness of the premise.

Some of this stuff is labled as Imfinities and not part of the continuity, so it doesn't count for shit.

They could have picked a better gimmick than Darth Maul but whatever, it was still an interesting story. I really enjoyed General Grevious's story as well.

If Maul really did survive, then why didn't Sideous take him back as his apprentice?

Also, it's only been three years since ROTS, and Obi-Wan is already fully gray?

EU haters. If you guys don't like any EU because you think it all sucks, and you've actually fucking read it, then that's okay. I'm cool with that. If you haven't read it, or if you don't like EU because it's not George's story and certain things "souldn't be messed with" or some shit like that, fuck you. The EU is entertaining. Not 100 percent of it is awesome, but most of it has cool action, fucking character, and good story.
The Maul/Obi-Wan thing is just geeky fun. Leave it alone.

I dug both of them. Sure, the Maul premise was silly as FB said, but I thought the writing was pretty good, and I liked the ending.

According to Labyrinth of Evil, Dooku did indeed kill Syfo-Dias as part of a test by Sidious.

Then it's okay. I've read a good deal of the post ROTJ novels, and while I enjoyed them at the time, that was before I got really into the movies and realized how much the books and other EU fuck with the continuity. It REALLY irks me that they do things that Lucas has specifically said doesn't happen. For example "Maul is dead... I thought cutting him in half made that clear." And yet, here he is again.

Fucking EU. Anything for a buck.

Oh God...

Wait... Obi-Wan was hiding... in the ground?

Never thought I'd see a decapitated Watto.

The Grievous story is kinda like "so what?", his backstory given in Labyrinth of Evil works just as well.

The Owen story is actually pretty good. If they brought Maul back, the only way to do it I suppose was to have him just chase Obi-Wan for all those years. The fight is kind of short though.

This story is sure Infinites, and should stay so. But it was a funny read indeed.

This shit makes no sense at all...

Great stuff, thanks Spider!

I have yet to read or see anything about Grievous that convinces me that he needs to be in the movie. When rumors start spreading about the story being "disjointed," I can't help but think that part of the cause is the addition of a completely unnecessary plotline.

"I have yet to read or see anything about Grievous that convinces me that he needs to be in the movie."

This explanation is for others, not you, because you only wish to keep bitching about this.

1) Anakin kills Dooku to take a significant step to the dark side right at the start of the movie.

2) Palpatine needs an excuse to keep the war going, since the Separatist leader was just killed. Nute isn't a war leader. [see one of the comics, for example]

3) Enter GG. The only reason Palps can credibly keep the war going.

Also, he's a kick ass character, by the looks of it.

Bah. The only reason for Grievous' existance is to get Obi-Wan away from Anakin, nothing more. The rest of the Separatist leadership is there if an excuse is needed to keep the war going. I always thought Grievous was some sort of humanoid droid control ship: kill him and the whole droid army shuts down. That would have added a bit of urgency to his demise.

Anyway, I think the Kashyyyk scenes are even more extraneous than Grievous; the sequence seems to exist only to get Yoda away from Coruscant when the shit is going down and to work Chewie (and previously, Han) into the film.

"The rest of the Separatist leadership is there if an excuse is needed to keep the war going."

Palpatine uses fear to coerce the Senate into giving him more powers. Nute doesn't strike that kind of fear. GG does.

"The only reason for Grievous' existance is to get Obi-Wan away from Anakin, nothing more"

That's a third reason. The other is as mentioned above, he foreshadows Vader. Lucas even said something like that in one of the webdocs.

Plenty of reasons why this character exists.

In many ways, GG has a story as tragic as Anakin's. This makes me have much more respect for him as a character.

I hate to break it to you, fuckface, but this movie is not a historical flick. Lucas was not obligated to include certain elements in the story because "that's how it happened." He chose to add the Grievous character to the story. And my contention is that the character is unnecessary and distracting. This episode should be about what happens to the people we've met in the first 2 episodes, and shouldn't concern itself, even a little, with the introduction and death of a character that has no bearing on the rest of the saga.

Bad storytelling is bad storytelling no matter how many cutesy sheep excuses you come up with to "explain" it. I will "keep bitching" about it (though to the best of my recollection I've raised this issue about once a month, if that frequently) until I'm proven wrong, which probably won't be any sooner than May 19th. So save your condescending eyerolling bullshit for someone who thinks you know what the fuck you're talking about.

Is the Grievous thing EU? What makes him so damn important anyway.

The Maul thing is funny though, especially when he's around Vader's burned body.

"Damn, thought I got it bad."

The reasons for GG are clear and obvious. He's well integrated into the story line. Some love to start with the conclusion that Lucas sucks and then desperately search for reasons to bitch.

"until I'm proven wrong"

It's a movie, not a mathematical formula, jackass. Your opinion can't be "proven wrong".

Is there really any reason for us to believe that Darth Maul might be dead? He only got sliced in half and fell from a height where you are unable to see the bottom from the top. Who needs intestines and kidneys anyway?

The Emperor might still be alive too. This would make Episodes 7-9 look a little more interesting. The Emperor could come back, maybe a little burnt up from being inside the Death Star when it exploded, but shit, he couldn't look much uglier anyway. And Kit Fisto's head could be his new apprentice.

Maybe the resurrected Maul can come back and join the Sarlacced Boba Fett... all this and more... this week in the Expanded Universe.

I vote ghey to the whole EU idea - but, it was kinda cool seeing Owen and Obi-Wan interacting.

My opinion of the first two prequel films is that there was way too much going on for the key story points to be presented properly. In TPM, the podrace took up far more time than was needed. The discussion of midichlorians was altogether unnecessary. In AOTC, the whole "mystery" of Kamino/Sifo-Dyas was absolutely pointless and was handled very clumsily, as was the completely unnecessary "revelation" that Zam Wessel was a shapeshifter, and let's not even get into Jar Jar Binks' speech to the Senate as the catalyst for Palpatine being given unprecedented authority.



My suspicion that Grievous is an unnecessary element that distracts from the key storyline can easily be proven wrong if Lucas makes it work. My opinion that you are a stupid loudmouthed fuckface is in danger of lasting forever.

But hey, when it comes to Lucas, I can see you'd rather swallow than spit. So don't let me interrupt your little lovefest. Carry on.

The Sifo-Dyas "mystery" was indeed pointless, and I still don't understand why Lucas was making such a big deal out of it as late as the DVD commentary. The fact that he is not addressing it at all in ROTS proves its uselessness.

If you look at the page where Obi Wan has his saber to Maul's forhead, in that red beam. All the way to the right you can see Anakin's face burning during the immolation scene. That would be cool if that angle was used in the actual film.

I did like that Maul-story. Ever since half the fanbase pined for his return, I have been dreading a story like this, but it turned out quite ok. Mostly because he seemed more pathetic than intimidating, really. I mean, he emulated both Dooku (sabre-design) and Grievous (mechanical talons) and still got his ass kicked by an elderly Jedi and a farmer. Almost felt sorry for the bastard. Then I remembered he killed Watto and changed my mind.

UPDATE:

Read the Grievous story as well. His creation answers the question "What would happen if you transfered midichlorians through a blood-transfusion?" I´m guessing there´s more to it than that, the Sith are mixing their own Dark Side techniques together with biology, to create an artificial Sith. Since the process takes a lot of time and resources, it´s no wonder experiments like that don´t happen very often.

Was it a different story in LoE or is it the same?

I think Sifo-Dyas is just a guy who had his identity stolen for the purposes of framing the Jedi. Other than that, I think he is fairly insignificant. He died at a convenient time (or was killed by the bad guys) for them to use his name when ordering the clones. Kind of like ordering a pizza for someone else when you were a little kid.

Yep.

If I had one story to accept as canon concerning sifo-dyas, it would be LOE.

Well I didn't read that book, and I'm not sure if that is what Lucas had in mind or not. But from the movies, the impression I get is that he was just a guy who they pinned it on. If there is more to it than that, we will learn about it in ROTS.

I don't see any reason to bring back Darth Maul, other than the fact that he used a cool light saber, and was played by a pretty good martial artist. He was a filler character to demonstrate the apprentice-master relationship of the Sith, and a way for Sidious to do his work without actually revealing himself. I also think he served to establish Obi-Wan as a great up-and-coming young Jedi, destined for future badasshood, as we will see in ROTS.

I think the way that Maul was taken care of in TPM left us with little doubt that he was a gonner. If Lucas wanted to keep him around, we would know it, because he would have escaped. Bringing him back now would be dumb.

If you want to have people hunting Obi-wan now, use Boba Fett or something. Or just say that after the clone wars, the Empire put out a bounty on any remaining Jedi, and just have some guy track him down in the same way that Maul is shown to have done in that comic.

I actually didn't mind the premise of Darth Maul returning with some sort of mech-raptor legs after tracking down young Luke Skywalker to the Lars family. The images of him killing Watto, the Polis Massans, and following Obi-Wan throughout his prequel adventures was interesting.

What I can't, however, make sense of is Obi-Wan popping out of the SAND! I mean-- wha?

And not mentioning sifo at all in ROTS is likely to frustrate alot of non-hardcore fans who want to know what the fuck is going on.


I vaguely remember PH saying something about how that clone mystery will be answered in Episode 3....anybody recall this?

If Padme is getting drilled by Jedi with superhuman strength, then a jump and landing like that would be no big deal for her. If she was cut in half and did the same thing, it would be the same concept.

Some people really can't get over Visionaires. I guess they can't tell which comics are meant to be serious and which aren't. It's my understanding that Visionaries is just a collection of fun, interesting tales made up by people who designed concept art for the PT. Some of the stories are serious, some aren't; all are meant to just be entertaining. Sort of like Star Wars Tales, which I love. Some of those stories are hilarious and clearly aren't meant to be taken as canon. Nobody is forcing anything down your Lucas-only throats. Nobody is expecting anyone to take this stuff seriously. It's just serious entertainment.

Nice.

I hadn't seen that latest bit, but I definately remember that first question.

well, there's the answer.