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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/ ... 5450.shtml

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/\/\ The guy actually tries to make some sense, but ruins it by giving it ZERO fucking stars. I mean, you have criticisms, that's obvious. The dialogue is bad. Ok, lit major. You don't buy why Anakin turns to the darkside....ok, you're entitled to your opinion BUT, yeah, fear of losing a wife is not a reason to do irrational things. Wars have been fought for MUCH fucking less.

So, this guy can't find ONE redeeming quality in this movie. The SFX aren't incredible, or the fight sequences exciting, or Yoda's digital acting (without a reference character, unlike Gollum [who is still amazing, don't get me wrong]) is not outstanding? Give me a fucking break asshole. NO ONE can be so fucking jaded with movies and "Lucas raping their childhood" that they give the final Star Wars film ZERO FUCKING STARS.

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Man that Peck guy has got to be one of the biggest asses in all time!


Out of the way peck!


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"Like all great villains, the Darth Vader we saw in the first Star Wars actually loved being a bad guy."

The great dramatic villians don't see themselves as bad.

For completely failing to grasp the most basic principles of drama, I give this critic zero out of 5 stars.


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5 stars? A perfect score?

Representing the absolute finest in storytelling, oscar-caliber, masterful performances, flawless editing, visual effects and an iconic score?

RIGHT. 5 stars is as ridiculous as 0 stars for this movie.


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Yes, but a good review can be substantiated by more than a throbbing sheep boner. Sooner or later, you have to be able to defend that the actors delivered their lines with masterful believability, interest, and craft, directed so by a director with supreme sensitivity. And that every other discipline was equally well represented.

It's not a popularity contest, it's a critique. And I, for one, am always wary of grading on the curve. Especially when it seeks to lower the collective standard. At some point, if crap gets 5 stars, then 5 stars has no value anymore, does it? But I'm neither suggesting Sith is crap, nor that we can't love it to pieces even with 3 stars... but a critique of the full spectrum of its execution has to be accurate to be worth anything. And Sith is not an across-the-board achievement in mastery of all aspects of filmmaking, as any 5 star film must be.

We just love it anyway.


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Well, look... this isn't about you or anyone getting pwned, it's about preserving value. Everybody benefits when the bar is kept high. We all know there are no shortage of baloney-eating, helmet-wearing, short-bus-riding window-lickers who will play for hours with whatever shiny object you hand them, but that doesn't mean it's actually any good. In some slowly erosive, subtle, but powerful way, the success of crap has long-lasting destructive social implications that we all have a duty to combat.

Fuck, this Star Wars shit is heavy.


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CoGro, my brother... not to stand with too much righteous indignation, but that is the ultimate artist cop-out: "Who's to say what's good?"

Let me tell you a little something about commercial success: there is a 90% out there. No matter what your target demographic is, no matter what your business is, there's a collective, mass-majority take you can plug into. There are hamburgers that "most people" think are tasty. There are movies that "most people" think are good. And being able to hit that 90% reliably requires not only a mastery of your craft, but a thorough understanding of human nature. When you understand people, you can sell to them; communicate with them. You just must also be a master of your craft so you can adapt to whatever the task's needs are to do that.

Good is not subjective. Good is a combination of collective consciousness, and carefully guided brainwashing by those in control. That sounds nefarious, but "those in control" can be virtually anyone, from individuals, to societies at large. In advertising, we create a perception first, of what is good, and then provide it. We tell people, for example, "Bigger is better!" and then show them a giant SUV. Perception is reality, and thus reality is malleable. And most people, I assure you, think as they're told to.

That's why we have to be careful what we're telling people is good.


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But there are so many ways to look at movies. I think the average movie goer, or at least most the people I know, would much prefer a movie like Star Wars, or even shit like The Core to a supposed masterpiece like Million Dollar Baby. Most people don't look that deep at movies or appreciate the more subtle things like editing and style. It's kind of funny seeing people suddenly become conscious of simple things like different editing styles or camera shots in my movie classes. It's like people see them, but it doesn't really regiester. When it finally does, there's a whole new level of appreciation.

I guess it's like abstract painting or poetry. At first it might seem like shit, but the more you learn about it and understand it, the more you come to appreciate it. Hey, maybe it's just the people I hang around with, but they swore that The Core was the greatest thing ever put on screen.

So I think a lot of critics grade more on the "Hey, it's enjoyable" scale than the get deep and insightful with their reviews. Maybe they're afraid of the public backlash. I don't know. Hell, a lot of movie fans know MORE than they do about movies. All a lot of them are trying to do is give the average movie goer a sense of if they'll enjoy it or not.

I totally see what you're saying mverta, especially with the whole lowering the bar thing. Maybe that's why people seem to like so much crap. I could go on, but since I pretty much agree I'll just keep the rest to myself. :)


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...and its user, who is the sort of low-life, hate-filled, tea-bag-licking human garbage that would use a symbol of such evil to get off a little cutie on a website is goddamn lucky he's not anywhere near me and a woodchipper.


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A reviewer can only critique technical aspects on an objective basis. Everything else is indeed subjective, because it doesn't take a cinematic prowess to enjoy a movie. And likewise, a film will not succeed based purely on technical merits.


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