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Ah well... still sounds like he hadn't thought it through properly. Why go to the effort of setting up all these unanswered questions if he never had any actual answers to give out.

Sure it's implied that Dooku erased the files before he left the order and that he had already been in contact with Sidious and knew of his plan to dismantle the senate. But its never really tied up neatly. Felt like Lucas had completely forgotten than whole thread of the plot by the time he got to writing ROTS.

Still... minor quibble.


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I think GL tried to imply that Dooku ordered the Clone Army using Sifo-Dias's name. Which doesn't make much sense. In fact, that whole scene between Obi-Wan and the Prime Minister is crap anyway. Justlisten to the dialogue....


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I don't think you're wrong nor do I think you're thinking too far into it.

It was a mistake to mention the name 'Sifo-Dyas' at all in the movie if that part of the mystery was not to be developed in the next movie. If all that needed to be implied was that Dooku ordered the clones, you could have had the same effect with something like:

"Please tell the Jedi Council that their order will be met on time?"

Then the mystery would be placed on Dooku's intensions....a 'political idealist' or in fact a Sith Apprentice playing both sides - this was the mystery revealed at the end of the film when Dooku is named Tyranus (though I think that whole scene could have been played much better to heighten the impact that Dooku was IN FACT a Sith lord - moreover, the Dooku duel in AOTC should have seen Dooku weild a Jedi saber instead of a Sith one to keep the mystery alive until the end, and only in ROTS would we see Dooku's red SITH blade because now we know he's a Sith lord)


Of course, some of the later dialogue would have to be altered in AOTC, with Jango and what not, but everything spoken with the Jedi could be:

"They say the Jedi Council placed an order for a clone army almost 10 years ago."

This could have gotten the audience's mind working throughout the film. Dooku was always played as a not so bad, bad guy. Firstly, I would've kept in the lost 20 scene to develop his character early in the film. We have a fairly positive view of him from the Jedi and then we hear Dooku offer Obi-wan a chance to kill Sidious...we think, hey, maybe he IS a good guy and the Jedi are just clueless. Then bam: Dooku's a Sith, and he's playing the same game as Sidious.


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Yeah, it should have just been simply the "Jedi Council" instead of some random Jedi name, I agree there.

It was almost like Lucas wanted you to conclude Sidious was involved because the name Sifo-Dyas sounds just like Sidious. But that's kind of a poor way of linking the two from a storytelling stance, and you can easily come to the conclusion the Sith were behind it w/o naming a specific Jedi.

But just looking at AOTC as it is now, there's enough to deduce the Sith were behind it without needing Sifo-Dyas mentioned again in Episdoe III.


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If you use the word "until" as a conjunction, it means "to the point or extent that". For example, "I kept running until I was tired". Substitute the meaning into Obi-Wan's line - "You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind to the point or extent that you have become the very thing you swore to destroy".

It makes perfect sense.


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The end duel is most awesome when it's cutting between Vader/Obi-Wan and Sidious/Yoda. The combined intensity of the fights, music and emotion behind it is extraordinary.


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