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Post Posted: July 21st 2005 3:15 pm
 
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He had the best audio tools to work with, and there was experimentation with pitch, gate, modulation, etc. in order to try and match Liam's voice electronically, but the voice over never sounded right to Lucas.


Wow. Pitch, gate AND modulation? Even the most standard vanilla audio tweaker has these fundamental concepts built in. In fact, there wouldn't be sound without them.

I bet the voice over – considering those circumstances – never sounded right to Burtt either.


Post Posted: July 21st 2005 5:28 pm
 

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It's bullshit that George either isn't asking Liam or Liam isn't saying yes, rather than fucking about with trying to get someone else to sound like Liam. I would be pissed off if someone else was overdubbed for "Run, luke!" instead of Alec Guiness.

In the world we live in, it is easy as fuck to send Liam some fucking lines on a Blackberry, have a guy on set of whatever Liam's current film is record the lines with a standard jackoff SM-58, and plop it into the movie. It would take no more than fifteen minutes on anyone's part.

I don't want some faked qui-gon voice. I want the real deal, and there's really no excuse for not doing it.


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Artmaul wrote:
He had the best audio tools to work with, and there was experimentation with pitch, gate, modulation, etc. in order to try and match Liam's voice electronically, but the voice over never sounded right to Lucas.

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Wow. Pitch, gate AND modulation? Even the most standard vanilla audio tweaker has these fundamental concepts built in. In fact, there wouldn't be sound without them.

I bet the voice over – considering those circumstances – never sounded right to Burtt either.


I'm no audio expert. Never claimed to be. I'm sure (aside from your sarcasm) that we both understand that all professional filters at their disposal were used.

In any case, I'm through with this thread. I'm actually missing Biggs, because even though he was hurling rocks from the other side of the canyon at me, he at least was knowledgeable.

Continue with the over complicated theories everyone. :mrgreen:


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I think many of the people who have gripes with Lucas really need to consider what and where they'd be without Star Wars. Obviously Liam is an exception, as would be Ewan, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, and Sir Alec Guiness, who all had well established careers before Star Wars. But the old Star Wars crowd were largely unknown.

I guess at the end of the day it is like working for any boss. Pretty much everyone I know hates their boss, thinks they can do the job better, and feels irritated at being controlled and ordered around.

As for the cut scenes, well I really liked the idea of the subplot about the rebellion, and thought it added a bit more intrigue to the story...shame they cut that. I also really want to see the fuel room scene. I thought it could have been added to the start in place of some of the somewhat monotonous lift scenes which were kind of awkward. Liam's bit would be nice but isn't necessary.

IMHO Lucas seems to add quite a bit of needless paff to these movies while cutting out some of the better scenes. I loved ROTS, but some of the Anakin-Padme scenes just dragged and didn't really establish much.


Post Posted: July 22nd 2005 2:27 am
 
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I think Lucas should re-insert the Qui-Gon scene for foreign markets with their respective synchronized versions! No Liam Neeson needed! HA! ;)
I have to admit though, the german synchronizations aren't great; especially Palpatine's and Anakin's...


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Post Posted: July 22nd 2005 7:26 pm
 
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I thought I posted this question here, maybe I posted it somewhere else, I don't remember, but I assume that if someone captured this footage at Comic Con we would have it uploaded here by now, right?


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The thing is the scene is unneeded. Everything we need to know, we are told. Besides the scene is badly written - I'm happy it was cut.

I totally agree. Its not horrible, but I felt that Yoda would have been feeling a little more guilty about everything that happened. I thought the scene needed more emotion. After I read your comment, I thought I'd take a crack at it. It's probably a little long, but such is a writer's woe.

YODA

My failure, this was.
Responsible, I am, for this tragedy.

QUI-GON

You cannot blame yourself, my old friend.

YODA

Too old, I was. Too rigid. Arrogant, to believe the old ways could be the only way. Trained these Jedi, I did, as I was, long centuries ago, to face the challenges of times long gone. Changed, the Galaxy has. Changed, we have not. A fool I've been, blinded by age, and experience.

After a brief pause, Yoda speaks just one phrase, painfully.

YODA

How to prepare for the past, experience taught me. Prepared for the present, I was not. To certain of the future, my arrogance made me.

A single tear begins to form in Yoda's eye.

QUI-GON

Changing the Jedi Order, allowing the code to evolve, would have taken centuries.

YODA

Centuries, I had, and the time, I did not take. Last of the ancient ways, was I, and continued with them, I did. So certain, I was, believing that we... that defeat the enemies of the Republic, I could, as I have these long years. Forgot I did, how to learn, and to listen, and to watch.

QUI-GON

No one can see through the darkness when the light is shrouded. If anyone is to be blamed, it is I. Darkness was the shadow that followed Anakin Skywalker, and I could not see it.

YODA

Nor did I, even as shroud the Jedi order, it did. An infinite mystery is the force, and much to learn, there still is.

QUI-GON

And you will have time to learn.

YODA

Infinite knowledge... Infinite time, does it not require?

QUI-GON

I can teach you a power far beyond infinity, further than Tommorow, and closer than Yesterday. I can help you to become one with the force in spirit, and in consciousness. To be a part of the living force long after your body has failed you.

YODA

Eternal life... The goal of the Sith, is it not?

QUI-GON

But the Sith can never have it. It comes only from the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. It is a gift, not a prize, and it must be earned. It cannot be taken.

YODA

A power greater than any, that would be, to be able to join the force, yet influence still to have...

QUI-GON

It is a gift you have earned, my old friend, and yours to learn, if you wish it.

YODA

A very great Jedi Master, you are, and always have been, Qui-Gon Jinn.
Unable to see it I was.

The single tear in Yoda's eye slides slowly down his mottled green face, and with it comes an expression of extreme sorrow, an expression not seen on the great warrior's face for 800 years. Then as suddenly as it appeared, it is replaced by a look of renewed determination and hope.

Yoda stands, puts his hands together, and bows, a traditional Jedi showing of respect.


YODA

Your apprentice, I greatfully become.


Post Posted: July 23rd 2005 1:56 pm
 

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That exchange seems very reminiscent of the conversation they have in the novelization. Of course, I only read the last five pages while standing at Target, so my memory might be fuzzy.


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Jonny Boy's is pretty damn good, if I may say so.


Post Posted: July 23rd 2005 5:31 pm
 
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That's way too much dialogue, Jonny Boy

That scene isn't supposed to be exposition, it's supposed to be an emotional reflection. People know by then why the Jedi failed, what's important is how Yoda and Obi-wan will be able to pass on their knowledge after they've died.

The key to great writing is being concise. The scene needed to accomplish the following things:

- How Jedi are able to retain themselves after death
- Establish Yoda's motivation from then on
- Tie up the 'eternal life' plot device
- Indirectly set up how the dark side can never win and how Anakin is able to retain himself

As the scene was written, and rewritten, it did that. There's a few lines that can be rearranged and some scrapped, but it works fine. You never know how the script will appear on screen, and this is something that could have been, and god willing WILL be, great.

There doesn't need to be anything comparing Yoda to the Sith, just an explanation about why the dark side can never acheive eternal life because they have no compassion. That fact alone makes the saga 10 times better.

In my world it would go:

A) Yoda feels he has failed, Qui-Gon tries to comfort him
B) Yoda questions his power, Qui-Gon reassures him there will be another time.
C) Qui-Gon reveals that the secret of eternal life is compassion, not greed and that the dark side can never attain this power
D) Yoda, shocked by the awesome power he has been given a chance to learn, becomes Qui-Gon's apprentice


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Actually CoGro, I completley agree with all of your points. The scene, as written, accomplishes what it needs to. The only problem I had was that, to me, tha scene needed to show a side of Yoda that would have never been seen before. I also felt it should be a little more personal. The feeling I get when i read the scene is "awkward". I don't really know why. Maybe I just heard so much about the scene before I read it that my expectations were different. Anyway, I know its overlong. I chose to do it as though it were a re-write of the passage in the novel, not an actual scene in the film.

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Here is another rewrite.

YODA

My failure, this was.
Responsible, I am, for this tragedy.

QUI-GON

You cannot blame yourself, my old friend.

YODA

Too old, I was. Too rigid. Changed, the Galaxy has. Changed, we have not. A fool I've been, blinded by age, and experience.

After a brief pause, Yoda speaks just one phrase, painfully.

YODA

How to prepare for the past, experience taught me. Prepared for the present, I was not. To certain of the future, my arrogance made me.

A single tear begins to form in Yoda's eye.

QUI-GON

Changing the Jedi Order, allowing the code to evolve, would have taken centuries.

YODA

Centuries, I had, and the time, I did not take. Last of the ancient ways, was I, and continued with them, I did. So certain, I was, believing that defeat the enemies of the Republic, I could, as I have these long years. Forgot I did, how to learn, and to listen, and to watch.

QUI-GON

No one can see through the darkness when the light is shrouded. If anyone is to be blamed, it is I. Darkness was the shadow that followed Anakin Skywalker, and I could not see it.

YODA

Nor did I, even as shroud the Jedi order, it did. An infinite mystery is the force, and much to learn, there still is.

QUI-GON

And you will have time to learn.

YODA

Infinite knowledge... Infinite time, does it not require?

QUI-GON

I can teach you a power far beyond infinity, and closer than the world around you. I can help you to become one with the force in spirit, and in consciousness. To be a part of the living force long after your body has failed you.

YODA

Eternal life... The goal of the Sith, is it not?

QUI-GON

But the Sith can never have it. It comes only from the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. It is a gift to be earned, not a treasure to be plundered.

YODA

A power greater than any, that would be, to be able to join the force, yet influence still to have...

QUI-GON

It is a gift you have earned, my old friend, and yours to learn, if you wish it.

YODA

A very great Jedi Master, you are, and always have been, Qui-Gon Jinn.
Unable to see it I was.

The single tear in Yoda's eye slides slowly down his mottled green face, and with it comes an expression of extreme sorrow, an expression not seen on the great warrior's face for 800 years. Then as suddenly as it appeared, it is replaced by a look of renewed determination and hope.

Yoda stands, puts his hands together, and bows, a traditional Jedi showing of respect.


YODA

Your apprentice, I greatfully become.


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More info at http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=10695


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DISCLAIMER: The below info comes from a Nightly.net member who claims to have gotten it from a magazine. It was reposted at TheForce.net's ROTS DVD thread.

On The Episode III Bonus Disk:

* Eight exclusive deleted scenes with introductions: The Fuel Tank, Shaking Grievous, Palpatine's Efforts, Shaak Ti's Destiny, Birth of a Rebellion, Yoda's Escape from Kashyyyk (extended), an Old Friend, the Far Planet of Dagobah, a Deathly Building (extended)

* "To the Dark Side" (85 min.): all-new full-length documentary about the production of the last Star Wars episode.

* "The Bridge of the Saga": Taking the last pieces to the puzzle.

* "Brother Vs. Brother" The hard job to get the amazing final duel.

* Two featurettes examining the Anakin's destiny and the special effects.

* Web documentaries

* Exclusive production photos

* One-sheet posters

* International outdoor campaign

* Trailers and TV spots

* "This is not the end of Star Wars": About the future of the Saga.

* ILM visual effects breakdown montage

* Exclusive DVD-ROM content

This info is not confirmed, so don't give me hell if it's not true. :)


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Hyperspace will be revealing all the special features soon. If this isn't there, I'll be disappointed. I can see some of the scenes listed there happening. The Fuel Tank scene will definitely be in there, and we know the Rebellion. Another Palpatine scene is a strong possibility, and we know a Grievous scene is in. The Yoda scenes are the ones I care most about.


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I highly doubt that that is the list of deleted scenes. I think there were only 5 or 6 scenes deleted from Revenge of the Sith for the DVD, and three of them are all about the birth of the rebellion.


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* Eight exclusive deleted scenes with introductions: The Fuel Tank, Shaking Grievous, Palpatine's Efforts, Shaak Ti's Destiny, Birth of a Rebellion, Yoda's Escape from Kashyyyk (extended), an Old Friend, the Far Planet of Dagobah, a Deathly Building (extended)


Yeah, gotta take these with a grain of salt for now. They all sound good but a couple are in the "wishful thinking" category.

The Fuel Tank is definetely a worthy candidate. I still think that should be combined with Grievous executing Shaak Ti to make one scene. Those two scenes run together anyway.

I'm not sure what Shaking Grievous is alluding to. Unless there were some scenes in the shooting script that were not included in the E-Book script, there's really only two Grievous related scenes to choose from. The Shaak Ti execution and some more wheelbike chase. I'm still betting on the Shaak Ti scene.

Palpatine's Efforts could be anything. Extended version of the scene where he appoints Anakin as his personal representative on the council?

Shaak Ti's Destiny is obviously one of her two death scenes. Steve Sansweet pretty much confirmed that her fate will be revealed on the DVD at the San Diego comicon.

Birth of the Rebellion we know about already (Bail's Office).

Yoda's Escape from Kashyyyk is possibility. According to the Making of book, this was one of Yoda's first scenes to be handed over to ILM, so it probably had some work done on it before it was cut later.

Old Friend is no doubt Qui-Gon. I hope that is included but into the movie proper not as a separate deleted scene.

Dagobah is an extremly short scene but is a good candidate. This scene was completed according to Cinefex magazine before it was cut.

A Deathly building, an extended Temple Raid perhaps? That would seem to one of the wishful thinking candidates. Unless they filmed a bunch of other footage for the scene we haven't heard about, there's really nothing to add except for Shaak Ti's death or that extra shot of Anakin marching through the halls seen in the Animatic reel.

Interesting stuff. Can't wait to find out the facts.


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A Deathly Building sounds like extended rebuilding of Vader.


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great stuff! ;)


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A Deathly Building sounds like extended rebuilding of Vader.


Yeah, didn't think about that, makes more sense. But again not knowing how much or how little they filmed, how much more could they add to it? Some extra shots of the surgery would be cool but the only thing I would like Lucas to adjust is to linger on the scene a bit longer after Vader screams "Noooooo". It cuts away too fast in the film.


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ETAndElliot4Ever wrote:
A Deathly Building sounds like extended rebuilding of Vader.


Yeah, didn't think about that. But again not knowing how much or how little they filmed, how much more could they add? Some extra shots of the surgery would be cool but only thing I would like Lucas to adjust is to linger on the scene a bit longer after Vader screams "Noooooo". It cuts away too fast in the film.


I think that scene should have been much slower.

When he pulled the room apart, it could have been more intense and vicious. Though the scene matches the music well, I thought it could have been a little darker. Maybe add the Imperial March there a little.

This is all just being picky, nothing to do with a deleted scene.


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I went ahead and updated MasterKyobi9d9's initial post about the DVD that the info came from the Nightly.net forums.


Post Posted: August 20th 2005 10:37 am
 
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8 deleted scenes?

SWEET!

And the rest of the list is fantastic as well, I do hope you're 100% right...

And thanks for sharing...


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Yeah I don't believe that source is accurate either. They said about 5-6 deleted scenes, and I'm sure at least 2 or 3 are about the rebellion with Bail and Mon Mothma. They were, you know seperate scenes, and the way it is said above from the nightly.net forums is as if it was one big scene, which wouldn't make sense.


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ETAndElliot4Ever wrote:
A Deathly Building sounds like extended rebuilding of Vader.


Given that the scenes are listed in what would seem to be the same order in which they'd appear in the movie, I'm guessing that Deathly Building is about the Death Star, not Vader.


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'Into the Fuel Chamber' has been posted on the OS/HS.


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