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As an old man, and one who grew up fantasizing about and financing my own minature version of the Star Wars Universe, I have to admit, the Prequels in total are a dissapointment. I'm one of those people who are glad when they make something, anything related to Star Wars that I can consume. And the films of the Prequel trillogy truly are an artistic masterpiece, as far as art direction, design, and visual effects are concerned. But storywise, it wasn't at all what I had been waiting for. I had always imagined it had all happened far differently. That the Jedi had been intelligent and wise warrior thinker/badasses. And in the PT they just seem like a bunch of mid-level agents of some strange Universalist church with a license to be aloof. I thought they would be tougher, and more commited to freedom, and progress. Not the easily blind-sided bunch of tea-sipping puppets of the system they seemed to be by the end of ROTS.

I agree with a lot of ETAndElliot4Ever's points above, and the Vader part is what got me thinking enough to post. I too had imagined that his look was somehow more meaningful. That there was more depth to it all, other than "we put him in that because that's what he looks like". The PT isn't even so much "rushed" from my perspective, as much as it's mis-managed story-wise. It all makes me more a fan of the Empire, I guess. They're so badass, they don't require an explination.

Still, glad they made them. They could have just made them longer. Or better. Or both.


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I still love the prequels. In terms of vision, scale and sheer balls, I can't think of any other trilogy to really compare.

That said, they're not perfect. I don't care what Lucas says now or what he said back in 1977, the prequels just weren't structured in a way to actually be told across three films. Lucas might've outlined where the OT characters and story came from but I don't think he ever actually intended to make Eps 1 to 3 and so he never really refined the story in a way that would balance each film enough with an equal amount of meat. It feels like ROTS has the lion's share of the narrative and that's unavoidable given how the backstory had to play out. The narrative is pretty unbalanced across the three films.

Mind you, this could've been avoided had he outlined and fleshed the movies out back in 1994 rather than writing each script as he went along.

Also, it feels like Lucas sort of chickened out on something after TPM. AOTC just doesn't feel like the Episode II we would've gotten. I think Lucas would've gone a different direction had it not been for all the crap he took after TPM.

One thing I'll praise the hell out of Lucas for doing, though, is portraying the Jedi Order as a group that's supposed to be concerned with all of these high minded ideals and whatnot but ultimately more concerned with covering their own ass than following the will of the Force. Qui-Gon was viewed as a loose cannon simply because he did what the Force prompted him to do rather than jumping each time the Council called... which says a lot about how far out of whack the Order had become.

The easy choice would've been to portray the Jedi as selfless, virtuous heroes; Lucas instead gave us a group who started off with wonderful ideals but who was complicit in it's own destruction. All Anakin did was give them what they had coming.

Highly enjoyable films.


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Good counterpoints, ECHUTA.

I remember hearing a theory about the PT as a whole that could have tied those filmes together a little better:

Introduce Dooku towards the end of TPM. Have a shot of him at Qui-Gon's funeral, then walking out in disgust. Maybe with a glance towards Yoda or Mace. That point could be identified as when he started to move towards the dark side, and the 10-year gap between TPM and AOTC adequately explains his change from one point to the other.

Second, introduce Grievous in the end of AOTC. As was mentioned above, he kind of appears out of nowhere in ROTS, and is easily dispatched part of the way through the film. His presence has little-to-no overall impact on the PT as a whole. Show Grievous slaughtering Jedi in the catacombs of the Geonosis Arena, yet have him go undiscovered by any surviving Jedi. His presence adds another level of a threat to the Jedi Order, and allows his introduction in ROTS to carry more significance. When the audience sees him for the first time in ROTS now, he's just this weird-looking droid who coughs a lot. But with a small introduction in AOTC, the threat he carries with him gets amplified.

These are small criticisms in my mind. The PT remains just as enjoyable of a movie-watching experience for me as the OT does. These trilogies were made in completely different eras for completely different audiences. But we can still follow the stories of Aankin/Vader and Obi-Wan through to their conclusions. All six movies are so densely layered and well-designed, they will have unending appeal for me.

I will say, it is nice to see TPM becoming more highly respected with time. It is a beautifully-photographed film, and truly protrays the galaxy in a way I always wondered about when I only had the OT to watch. TPM is the ideal starting point for this saga in the big picture, even if Anakin was too young. In order to appreciate the ending, you have to see the beginning, and TPM contrasts with ROTS perfectly within the PT and saga as a whole.


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On Christmas Eve while watching Revenge Of The Sith during Spike's Prequel Marathon in for the first time in years - the film aged gracefully for me. Episode III is all the more better right after watching Episode I + II before it. Revenge Of The Sith retroactively made The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones better - albeit slightly. Watching a grunged out Anakin mowing down Alien Separtists and Younglings we seen previously in the films before it was all worth it. The Immolation scene and subsequent transformation into Vader put the Revenge Of The Sith over the top.

The Prequels plus television shows (current and future) was not meant and could never be Original Trilogy level film. The Prequel Trilogy was offered to satiate the world's appetite for more Star Wars, in addition to pushing LucasFilm's movie technology business. The Original Trilogy has become American myth with Star Wars in general becoming a timeless brand along with Disney, Peanuts, and even Sports teams.


MF.com five years later: still here.

MF.com was created as the anti-Star Wars site - away from social chat threads and forums games, where there were no restrictions in terms of posting spoilers, bootlegs, or posting words like "fuck". The site was meant to be minimalist. There are awesome threads created awesome posters. The content is there for those interested in the subject matter. MF.com has even broke news in the post-Star Wars movies world. However there is no way in hell MF.com can replicate what was accomplished during the Original Trilogy DVDs 2004, Revenge Of The Sith 2005, and for those who remember Attack Of The Clone 2001-02 (where SI, Ternian, and me posted our spoilers all the fuck over).

Five years later, there should have been a new MF.com. There will be a new version of the site in 2011. The current code is outdated with hacks on top of hacks. The banners will be updated with superior heavy metal (and other subject mater) inspired graphics. There is new content on the way in the form of 3D Theatrical Releases, HD Box Sets, and television series.

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Wait. I was with you till' "ROTJ's Palace Sequence". Huh? Jabba's Palace, or the Imperial throne-room on Death Star II? I wasn't sure what you meant, but I'm assuming it's the musical number in Jabba's Palace. It hurts my mind, as an adult, to try and rationalize that sequence to other adults. Fucking sycophants, someone should have said something, like "Hey, George, puff puff pass dude, and what's with the jazz-ensemble cartoon disco acid-trip thing you have written in the script right here?" Cuz damn, next to an under-utilized adult Fett, and the creepy-gross incestuous kissing between Luke and Leia, the Sy Snoodles band comes in as my most uncomfortable Saga-wide moment.

I rank ROTS pretty high myself. My only complaint about the film, anymore, is the Padme/Anakin on the balcony while she's brushing her hair scene toward the beginning. Baaad. All around bad. I look at the FX in the background and pretend Natalie Portman doesn't look like she's on downers or retarded or something, and I imagine that the horrible dialogue is really something better that I'm just not paying attention to. When it's over, I can look back at the screen. I'm really surprised any director would put that cut of the performances into his highly anticipated and expensive finished product. It wasn't pivitol to the story, and it was baaad. Did they only do one take? What about the cut and splice nature of performances in digital film-making? Who put that scene together and said "Great! Lets go with this one". Because I like Natalie Portman. She's a good actress, and she's hot as fuck. I'd hit that shit sideways. But in that scene she looks like she's a qualude away from drooling on the mat at special-ed class and Hayden sounds like a Halmark moment on stupid. And it kind of takes me out of the moment.

I still dig the movie though. I just don't understand, with all the tinkering Lucas Does with his films, why he doesnt fix shit like that.

I wish they would ask for my opinion. They would make so much more money if they hired me as a consultant. They wouldn't have to really pay me either, they could just give me free shit. And I could tell them what I think of that too, and then they would make even more money, because I'm one of those people who buys that shit anyway. But a lot of it sucks. Like the balcony scene. Just an idea.

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I dunno' bout that. That's kind of a stretch. I think it's just sloppy directing/editing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all. To what degree does accepting those inevitable moments, where the apple of one's eye is less than visually ideal, hint at our propensity to be blinded to good and evill? I'm just not capable of those kind of mental gymnastics. Unless your just kidding. Good one (insert uncomfortable pause here) if you are, I mean.

As a strange side-note, that scene didn't bother me nearly as much until after I watched The Last Airbender. Besides being a tremendous multi-leveled letdown, and definate winner of the 'worst movie I saw in 2010' award, it's a film loaded with scenes whose failure mimics the lousy-balcony scene from ROTS in poor acting form and compositive technique. The whole film is a mess, but in the same 'who the fuck shot this garbage and didn't seem to even try to get something better' kind of way.


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At least Natalie Portman emotes in Episode III. In II, she's pretty awful. I mean, it's a BAD performance, plain and simple.


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