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by **BOBAFETISH** » May 18th 2004 3:22 am

They should have digitally cropped his hair a bit to lessen the obviousness of the change.

by **Ternian** » May 18th 2004 3:46 am

It looks dodgy there. The one I have is crystal clear - same as the one with the Emperor.

by **Dark Father** » May 18th 2004 4:18 am

The head shot of Hayden looks as if it was taken from one of the webdocs. I don't expect that we'll be getting legit screenshots until closer to the release of the set in September.

by **pjvader** » May 18th 2004 4:31 am

Ternian wrote:It looks dodgy there. The one I have is crystal clear - same as the one with the Emperor.

dont suppose the crystal clear will ever see the light of day eh tern? nudge nudge

btw have u seen troy yet? ur avatar gets some!

p.s. expect a sudden influx of twats! someone posted this in the talkback for the above pics!

QUOTE-"My thoughts on Star Wars
Comment: As I have said many times before, the majority of Star Wars fans are fat, ugly geeks who are the bottom feeders of the nerd world. I have never seen greater evidence of this as when I occasionally check for spoilers on the web. Have any of you ever seen that web site The Force.net? Holy shit waht abunch of fucking geeks! It is filled with a bunch of fucking idiots with zero lives who need to be shot. A wise man once said, "I love Star Wars, but hate the fans," and I agree 100% If any of you want good coverage of Star Wars I would highly recomend checking out a spoiler site I recently found, http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/index.php They just posted new stuff today about the Wookie battle on Kashyyak and it's amazing. Thank god there are a few fans left who are cool. The majority of fandom are your typical TFN pieces of shit. Drew, When is the next Jedi Council! I read those about 5 times and Carl is the bees knees!"-QUOTE

i think fatboys head is gonna go all scanners! :spawnskull:

by **pjvader** » May 18th 2004 5:09 am

did a bit of jiggerypokery and the anakin doesnt seem to stand up too much scrutiny

the glow is wrong, his hair looks modified,his skin tones and detail dont match obi's, the neck line of the jedi robes is not the same as obi's(though i dont have a ROTJ at hand to compare, is it a new body? or just mapped onto shaws body? i guess not!)

tern whats the story on the one you got? same exact shot? did it arrive within the timeline of lowry working on it? from the same source as the emperor pic around the same time? i know u cant answer but im getting carried away!!

the highlights on his head are wrong, his forehead is shinier than his hair, the neckline, the line of sight more than likely a fake but could also be shit fx work! i bet anything that the top guys arent set to work on any restoration projects! no matter how big the project

by **clevername** » May 18th 2004 7:30 am

honestly, how hard was it for you to debunk this, pj?

Didn't take a whole lot of time did it?

You'd think the morons at AICN could take the time to go through the same process and check their work; they didn't even need to know photoshop. Just get a pic of Shaw from the scene in ROTJ and compare. Its obviously Hayden's head on Shaw's body (even down to the wrinkles in the robe).

But, no. Instead they go and post it without any proof. Now all we're going to hear about until the actual pic surfaces is this fake one.

Thanks, AICN. You're swell.

:whatevaho:

by **clevername** » May 18th 2004 7:56 am

so, they're literally just going to paste Hayden Christensen's head on Shaw's body as it already appears in ROTJ?

Why wouldn't they just insert a shot of his entire body?

by **Ternian** » May 18th 2004 9:39 am

btw have u seen troy yet? ur avatar gets some!

Oh dude, I am waiting for DP to do one for me from an Aussie photo shoot...hubba, hubba.

--------

As for the pic, the version I have is CRYSTAL clear. The blues match, the colours are even etc.

by **Zidious** » May 18th 2004 11:34 am

Very good points, x Sith Happens x. So do the "insiders" believe the high-resolution picture simply because of the quality of the pic or because of who provided it? I'm still very skeptical. Does the "high-resolution" picture show Anakin's face on Shaw's body?

by **Artmaul** » May 18th 2004 12:43 pm

Somebody's in a lot of trouble.

by **Duke** » May 18th 2004 12:53 pm

A little larger one here: http://koti.mbnet.fi/dukeirot/HaydenJedi2.jpg

by **Ktulu** » May 18th 2004 1:11 pm

Did some Photoshop here...
Made his suit some darker so that it would fit EP II/III

http://members.home.nl/heerese/HaydenJedi3.jpg

by **Renderking Fisk** » May 18th 2004 1:11 pm

I think it's crap. Someone's been having too much fun with PhotoShop and the Talk-Backers are making something out of nothing. Not until the actual DVD's come out will we know for sure.

Look on the bright side... because of that silly TB, more folks like me are going to show up to MC.com! :whateva:

by **Zidious** » May 18th 2004 1:59 pm

I know this is going to piss a whole shitload of people off, but that's what the end of ROTJ is going to look like, now.

I don't care about that. I can wait to hear George's comment about it. But other than "gee the secret picture looks great", is there any other reason the picture is accepted as authentic?

by **clevername** » May 18th 2004 2:01 pm

well, that sucks.

I don't like the way it looks and I don't understand why he needs to be there (I'm of the belief that Vader became Anakin again when he killed the emperor).

I guess I'll have to wait for the force ghost explanation we've all been promised, but it doesn't make much sense to make this change now and explain why it was changed half a year afterwards.

by **Zidious** » May 18th 2004 2:14 pm

It's good to hear the picture quality is not the only piece of evidence.

Does the hi-res picture show Anakin's face on Shaw's body?

Do we have a Carl quote about this particular issue?

by **darthpsychotic** » May 18th 2004 2:54 pm

http://www.theforce.net/tfnnews/index.shtml#23899

ROTJ DVD Changes?
Tue, May 18, 04 02:43:43 PM EDT

Many people have emailed us about the article at AICN regarding the "changes" to the end of Return of the Jedi for the DVDs. While we believe the image is a fake (it is still online and makes no logical sense), we do give credit to the creator for excellent work.

by **Renderking Fisk** » May 18th 2004 4:20 pm

All of the reaction is very funny. Again, it's too much of a big deal about nothing.

by **Forcechoke** » May 18th 2004 4:25 pm

It should have been Jake Lloyd.

by **Joe1138** » May 18th 2004 4:30 pm

I really don't see what the big deal is over these changes, I mean Lucas is just altering what has already been altered.

And they're minor-freaking-changes at best, from the looks of it.

by **dylan** » May 18th 2004 7:52 pm

Nah, this all comes down to Prequel Haters. All the people who are yelling loudest are the folks that like to make "Lucas has lost it" and "Die! JarJar, Die!" comments. Now they're freaking because they can't pretend the "wooden" Prequels aren't a part of Star Wars Proper. Lucas just hammered his new films right into the heart of the old ones and folks can't live in their little world of denial anymore. Because, other than that, this change amounts for about jack or shit.

Whatever. It's funny, the longer this shit goes on, the less I care. I'll just be happy when the whole thing is done and there's no more fucking around with it. Other than that - whatever happens, happens.

by **Zidious** » May 18th 2004 11:24 pm

Lord Mauly Mall posted that Shaw will morph into Hayden. Has anyone heard this?

by SI » May 18th 2004 11:38 pm

"Hayden IS in the September ROJ DVD. There are actually scores of changes to the films, including the most to A New Hope. The reason Hayden appears young will be explained in Episode III - something to do with the dark side years not counting when you return as a spirit or something if I'm not mistaken.

These are the archival editions, so lets hope the 2006/7 release will be the old school originals."

- Josh Griffin

laffo
(ps. I fucking hate side scroll with a fucking passion! :mad:

)

by **darthpsychotic** » May 18th 2004 11:45 pm

Griffy loves MF

MF - Thug Eternal

by SI » May 19th 2004 12:22 am

This guy also loves us:

If any of you want good coverage of Star Wars I would highly recomend checking out a spoiler site I recently found, http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/index.php They just posted new stuff today about the Wookie battle on Kashyyak and it's amazing. Thank god there are a few fans left who are cool.

by **Biggs** » May 19th 2004 1:03 am

Well, looks real-enough for me - I'll reserve my judgement until I see that full shot in 'motion'. It was always going to happen though....

Big "meh" either way.

Question: I wonder if LFL releases these 'pre-pictures' through un-official channels to gauge how well recieved the 'idea' of changing these shots in the original films - I mean, it's not like they can't just go 'fuck it - people hate it...back to the original'

It's a sensible change, I just wish Hayden looked "older" in that shot - I mean, surely he ages in the "Vader-suit"

...oh and, if this turns out to be legit, one can assume the "un-masking" will be hayden as well?

by **Benovite** » May 19th 2004 1:57 am

Lord Mauly Mall posted that Shaw will morph into Hayden. Has anyone heard this?

I'll believe it when I see it. :whateva:

by **Hade** » May 19th 2004 2:26 am

I can't wait to hear the audio commentary from Lucas during that scene.

I'm not against this per se, I just hope he has a better explanation than what Josh is spouting.

I'll laugh my ass off if the commentary during this scene is from Coleman discussing how they changed it rather than from Lucas about why he's changed it.

And now we need the Ian shot from ESB.

Ternian, it is time to put those shots up.

by **Devil Dodo** » May 19th 2004 3:47 am

I don't like this, but everyone is saying it is true... everyone that matters anyway...

man, this sucks.

I really hope it's not true. Besides, shouldn't Lucas be too busy with Ep III to be making these changes...

by **malkieD2** » May 19th 2004 4:06 am

Call me a twat, but Luke in ROTJ won't know what young Anakin looks like. I'm sure he'd figure it out, but it kinda makes the whole scene fucking stupid if you ask me.

by **Raz Zaphon** » May 19th 2004 4:29 am

Biggs wrote:Question: I wonder if LFL releases these 'pre-pictures' through un-official channels to gauge how well recieved the 'idea' of changing these shots in the original films - I mean, it's not like they can't just go 'fuck it - people hate it...back to the original'

Somehow I don't think this boils down to a business decision. I think if Lucas wants it there, it's going to be in there.

malkieD2 wrote:Call me a twat, but Luke in ROTJ won't know what young Anakin looks like. I'm sure he'd figure it out, but it kinda makes the whole scene fucking stupid if you ask me.

If you say so. Personally, I'm going to offer it the generic write off excuse that can explain any Star Wars screw up - "He knew through the Force".

by **pjvader** » May 19th 2004 4:36 am

Biggs wrote:It's a sensible change, I just wish Hayden looked "older" in that shot - I mean, surely he ages in the "Vader-suit"

...oh and, if this turns out to be legit, one can assume the "un-masking" will be hayden as well?

my guess would be the unmasking is still shaw (though where he got his accent from??) then the spirit will be hayden as he is a "jedi spirit" and the last time he was a jedi he was young, anakin "died" during ep3 from then on he was vader/sith so the jedi that we see would be in the form of hayden, though i did like to think that we see shaw because anakin had redeemed himself by killing the emperor! it all comes down to old anakin was sith and young was jedi and as there are no sith spirits(at least not yet, though i dont read the comics etc!) though george"im so rich i dont need no neck"lucas is in charge not us and he can and will do whatever he wants! think of him as michael jackson he lives in his own world surrounded by yes men, can u imagine anyone at ILM or LFL saying no, no, thats a bad idea to his face? personnaly i like him he was nice!

by **paraquem** » May 19th 2004 6:00 am

I have no problem with this change, save for the suggestion that's going 'round that Hayden won't be fully comped into the scene, but that his head will be pasted onto Shaw's body. That, I just don't get from an aesthetic standpoint. I mean, a guy's head pasted onto someone else's body is always going to appear odd. And surely that would be more work for the ILM guys, than a complete element replacement. But hey, what do I know?

From a story/thematic standpoint, I think it makes perfect sense. All of Anakin's AOTC angst about "stopping people from dying" is highly suggestive of laying the groundwork for an expression of this in EP3 no? I love that Palps/Sidious will be the one who demonstrates this ability, and that it'll mean a return to slavery for Anakin. It means a division of self for Anakin - a mechanical husk, powered by hatred, with only a seed of the old good self buried within. We're back to the mystical Star Wars, back to the days when the Force was all things to all men. The science of the midichlorians gives way here. It's back to personal interpretation with this. Has us arguing whether Vader really is Anakin or not in a metaphysical sense. To me, that's when Star Wars is at it's best.

We should remember too, that Lucas was banging on about one of the main themes of the Prequels being duality. What describes this more than the Anakin/Vader division. It' the ultimate expression of this theme. I don't get why people have such negative reactions to this, or get caught up in the black & white, yes or no. We're basically spoon fed this stuff growing up. It's not all about sense or easily definable and quantifiable events. We dealing with the body/soul division, and all the father/son/holy ghost stuff. Division of the one. We are able to rationlise this in our daily lives - why all the brouhaha just because we're being asked to deal with it in a movie?

Everything needed to make sense of this is in the OT. The biggie being the description of the Dark Side consuming Anakin, and the result being Vader. The "more machine than man" quote also is a give-away now when we look at it. We can see that Vader is an abberation, and that in a very real sense Anakin did in fact die, and was thought completely gone. It's as though only a small echo of the once-good person survives the death, and it takes the son to awaken it. And there's the new way of looking at the OT we were promised. It's a battle royale between the spirit and this physical manifestation. This is one of the central themes of the entire saga no? Just as the more primitive Gungans & Ewoks gain victory over the more technical mechanised forces of the Federation/Empire, so the spriit of Anakin finally wins out over the mechanised nightmare that is Vader. Repetition of theme. It also is a great reason for Lucas' suggestion that DOTF would be perfect for the Anakin/Kenobi duel in EP3. Remember the translation of the Sanskrit words, as something like "one battle rages in the head, and one in the heart". (far from exact I know). We're seeing Anakin subsumed by all of the desires that come from the head, and not the heart. In the end it's all about what happens when a person makes all of the wrong choices. The figure of Vader is the walking talking and perpetual reminder of this.

by **Renderking Fisk** » May 19th 2004 6:12 am

It’s the next morning… I had forgotten all about this until I checked for new posts: and questions I’m dying to know the answers just popped into my head…

by **Duke** » May 19th 2004 8:34 am

It's legit

by **rhonderoo** » May 19th 2004 9:44 am

SI, I responded to your post at TFN, then it went away. Now I look like I'm talking to myself

And I agree, sidescrolling makes the baby Jebus cry. EDIT: now the newstory has been changed. :schoolyou:

by **DoubleSith** » May 19th 2004 2:01 pm

The Hayden thing is really a non-issue to me. The whole Force ghost thing has never made sense anyway. Why do clothes disappear along with the body but cloaks and lightsabers don't? Anakin as a ghost can regrow hair and limbs, remove his scars and wear robes he never wore during life but he can't appear younger?

Damn whiny sheep. :whatevaho:

by **pjvader** » May 20th 2004 6:11 am

new exclusive of how the final scene will actually look on the final dvd

im sorry i have too much spare time! if u can thing of anything i can do other than scouring around for star wars spoilers lmk :roll:

the pleasures of being self employed!

by **paraquem** » May 20th 2004 8:06 am

Jeordie,

Thanks, much appreciated.

by **Jedi Master Matt** » June 12th 2004 7:53 pm

Tony,

That pic gets me everytime.

I could use a few other ghosts though... maybe Casper and don't forget Patrick Swazye. Then, it would RULE!

by **Ziggy** » June 19th 2004 7:04 am

I know it's not happening, but to tell the truth that wouldn't bother me at all.

I never liked Yoda until AOTC. Never could shake the feeling that Star Wars had turned into Sesame Street in ESB.

by **royalguard96** » June 21st 2004 7:59 pm

It's nice to see Harry talking out of both sides of his mouth in addition to stuffing food into both sides of his mouth.

I'm sure he will jizz all over his computer when the first Ep. 3 footage comes across. Or when the Dolby Digital sound of the OT on DVD hit his fat-encased ears. Or when he sees The Duel for the first time.

by **Wrath Mania** » June 24th 2004 1:52 pm

You know, I always thought the Emperor looked at the younglings a little oddly....

by **pjvader** » June 24th 2004 4:17 pm

the whole "i have felt him" "strange i have not" now takes a more disturbing twist than it even did the first time it was heard! :lol:

by SI » June 24th 2004 10:11 pm

the saga makes sense now...

by **Benovite** » June 25th 2004 12:37 pm

Best thread ever.

by **Ktulu** » June 26th 2004 5:00 am

off topic but I spent a bit of time in PhotoShop and made my Version of a Human Size Yoda

Maybe you can throw it into the fan thread :roll:

by **Silence** » July 27th 2004 2:37 pm

http://members.optusnet.com.au/darkkiller1/gene.jpg

Great skillz!

by **pjvader** » July 29th 2004 6:26 pm

maul1 wrote:It does look ligit. but i guess if someone had enough time to do it they could.
I don't mind the change just wondering if it is like that then how come Hayden is still wearing what Shaw was how come he is not wearing what he is wearing in episode II and III??

do u see planes?
is your name tatoo?
cause i swear to god ur living on fantasy island!
check the other threads!!!! quick, run luke run! :heavymetal:

by **ewingsquadron** » July 30th 2004 5:09 am

I just thought I should let you all know that a friend of mine, who's obscure relative whom works for the still needs to remain nameless company that LFL contracted to produce the DVD's has given me an actual, physical copy of the Original Trilogy DVD set.

Yes, that's right, I have the actual discs in all of their consumer packaging. While I could very easily prove this to you, I won't. Why, I could lay them on the floor, and take a quick snapshot with my handy digital camera, but I suppose I'm too lazy for that.

Or, perhaps I could quickly scan in the Return of the Jedi DVD cover, maybe an insert or two, but, I won't provide anything like that either.

I will assure you, however, that the DVD DivX quality rips of RotJ that you may have seen online are indeed a work in progress. (I like to use, and am quite fond of the acronym WIP).

These WIP DVD rips do showcase WIP changes to the movie. However, more WIP alterations are being added everyday to this WIP set, most likely up until the WIP DVD's become finalized from their WIP state sometime in late August.

WIP.

I've captured a screenshot of one of the WIP character / actor replacements that George Lucas himself requested be done of the movie over a year ago:

http://homepage.mac.com/etek/.Pictures/christopherwalken.jpg

That's right.

Harrison Ford's sketchy and sometimes outright bad performance of Han Solo is replaced by the much more fitting and original vision of Han Solo by none other than one of the first candidates for the role, Christopher Walken.

Even though it does look a little flat, maybe even 2D, the WIP video looks much smoother, and the WIP head match movements are impressively realistic. For WIP, that is. I can assure you this WIP replacement will look phenomenal, and will not be in its current state of looking like a 4 minute Photoshop job on the final DVD's. WIP.

I hope this post has been educational for you all, and I can't wait to see what else LFL has in store for the DVD releases in September. If I have anymore facts to post, I'll do so immediately!

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