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Post Posted: May 1st 2011 10:52 pm
 
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Don't know if anyone has not seen the news or not but he's dead, and it's confirmed.

It's a good day for the entire world.


Post Posted: May 2nd 2011 3:17 am
 
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he's dead :vflamethrower:


Post Posted: May 2nd 2011 5:49 am
 
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Good - oh!!!

Now the troops can all return home ... oops.

Nope, war on terror is still ongoing.


Post Posted: May 2nd 2011 7:49 pm
 
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On one level, I’m happy that people are celebrating this occurrence in the streets. After all, it’s a good counterpoint to all those morons around the world who celebrated 9/11 when it happened. However, to me, this is bitter sweet at best. In all honesty, this should have happened 10 year ago. So, it’s just another reminder of how the current administration has to spend most of its time cleaning up after the previous one.

I do love how they “Megatroned” the body into the ocean.

501ST wrote:
Now the troops can all return hom... oops.

Nope,war on terror is still ongoing.


Yes and no. It is seems like nation building is almost always a bad idea. Support services and surgical strikes are probably the intelligent way to go.


Post Posted: May 2nd 2011 9:05 pm
 
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5 others will take his place just need to whack them all.

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Post Posted: May 2nd 2011 10:45 pm
 
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It's a bad move, cheering for death. Death doesn't need our support. Those people acting like it's the 4th of July have seriously fucked up priorities. I'm not sad for Osama either, but it's weak minded and weaker hearted to 'celebrate' the end of anyone's life. Is it a victory? Symbolic victory, no doubt. Actual qualitative progress? Not so much. The alternative-news media has periodically been saying 'he's dead' since 9-12-01, so doubt, even in Western civilization is substantial. The nature of the organization he claimed to lead would negate much operational change as a result of his death. So what's with the streamers and dancing? The image it presents is one of cowards. It tarnishes actual Patriotism. And not everyone in America is a low-foreheaded dullard, so 'celebrate' off camera please.

I mean fuck it, I'm all for revenge if we're going to have the balls to go there. Have the guts to put it that way, though. And if revenge is our goal, this was pretty weak. Something about a wood-chipper, a dull machette, a drum of paint thinner and a big bag of hot peppers comes to mind. Pay-per view that shit and bury him at ground zero under the public toilet. But have the cajones to call it what it is.

Funniest thing I heard so far, some middle eastern clerics were reportedly pissed that he wasn't given a proper Muslim burial. Putting him in the ocean was 'an insult to Muslims across the world' or some such shit. Hey, guys, you think he deserves better? Rent a boat and have at it. I don't see many people treating the enemies dead any better these days. When the hell did 'respecting the enemies last wishes' ever fall into the process? If that's the case, my last wishes are 'let me shoot you first'. Dumbasses. Besides, I thought he 'didnt speak for all Muslims'. Why should his final interment.

The burial at sea business is problematic for me only in that it fogs up the validity of the claim that they got the right person. Do we take their word for it? Strictly crunching the numbers, it leaves a whole lot of grey area where I'd prefer the facts to be black and white.


Post Posted: May 3rd 2011 3:12 pm
 
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If BHO and his supporters think that the death of Bin Laden is because of him they need to start packing now. Bush Jr gets the credit or more like the blame. It is now known that controversial Seal Team Six pulled the trigger with information obtained in those CIA prisons which so enraged the left. In other words, it's everything that BHO ran against which got Bin Laden - only ten years later with trillions of dollars spent and the deaths of 5000 of [s]are[/s] our troops.

Fuel prices are now near $4 average and it's not even summer. Then there is Libya, Egypt, and Syria. The despots that run those countries should be replaced but by whom? We don't know anything those behind the "Arab Spring" other than their social media URLs. Reagan ended up arming the Taliban back in the 1980s when they were "rebels" opposing the then current Afghanistan regime. Perhaps Reagan's policy of arming all sides in that region wasn't so bad after all.

Whats important is Bin Laden is dead and we can finally put this 10-year drama behind us. Which hopefully means no more "war on terror" from the Right and no more "Dubya = War Criminal" or "Prisoners Rights for Gitmo" from the Left. Feel free to hit back at me if you disagree but I'd like to request that you not resort to calling anyone who doesn't support BHO as a teabagger, birther, or worse: racist.


Post Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:58 pm
 
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Cryostar wrote:
5 others will take his place just need to whack them all.


One of the best things about this event is that it frees the intelligent community up a bit. They can now devote more time taking out splinter groups like the very dangerous one presently in Yemen. The intelligence gathered from the compound should help a lot.

TroyObliX wrote:
It's a bad move, cheering for death. Death doesn't need our support. Those people acting like it's the 4th of July have seriously fucked up priorities. I'm not sad for Osama either, but it's weak minded and weaker hearted to 'celebrate' the end of anyone's life. Is it a victory? Symbolic victory, no doubt. Actual qualitative progress?

Funniest thing I heard so far, some middle eastern clerics were reportedly pissed that he wasn't given a proper Muslim burial.

Strictly crunching the numbers, it leaves a whole lot of grey area where I'd prefer the facts to be black and white.


In general, I think most people are cheering the fact that he is out of the way. If he was captured and not killed, the celebration would have gone the same manner as it did. For a lot of people, it’s an emotional relief that this is guy eliminated as a potential threat.

This is just muckraking reporting. (Remember “some” can mean “three or more people;” hardly a majority.) These “clerics” probably won’t support the US no matter what. Move along.

Black and white is a luxury sometimes and there is no 100% certainty in the real world. Someone would have to be insane to think they could fake this without repercussion. The President, Military, and Intelligence Community have not gone insane.

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It is now known that controversial Seal Team Six pulled the trigger with information obtained in those US military prisons which so enraged the left.

Then there is Libya, Egypt, and Syria. The despots that run those countries should be replaced but by whom?

or "Prisoners Rights for Gitmo"

This claim hasn’t even been remotely proven as fact. Some people who are championing this idea with certainty are some of the same people who were championing the idea of WMD’s in Iraq with absolute certainty based on single sources and hearsay. (And besides, if the previous administration already had information leading to his whereabouts, why didn’t they act on it? Are they now admitting incompetency?)

Is it possible that some information obtained under torture contributed the large pool of intelligence used? It is possible that information obtained under torture delayed action, because said information can be unreliable and has to be vetted over time? Is it possible that the information used for the raid could have been obtained without torture? Yes, in all three cases.

Relax. Since these countries would never normalize under dictatorships, change is good. In the short term, there's going to be uncertainty. But in the long term, the world will be better off as these countries move towards democracy.

Detention and integration methods have always been and will always be debated.


Post Posted: May 4th 2011 12:20 am
 
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I came off as very tense in my last post for some reason. Perhaps it's from fatigue from the last decade plus reading the comments section of the various news sites. America needs to get out of there and use the resources where we need it the most (here).

In other news I have been seeing comments from teenagers who claim to have never heard of OBL. I wish I could be them.


Post Posted: May 4th 2011 8:19 am
 
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Main thing - he's dead which is as close to justice anyone will get in this life.

AQ is not all over and this is a moment in what is itself a saga.


Post Posted: May 9th 2011 7:29 pm
 
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FYI - a new bio about a former Seal Team Six member drops tomorrow: SEAL Team Six: Memoirs of an Elite Navy SEAL Sniper. I'm sure it will sell pretty quickly.


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