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Post Posted: May 14th 2004 1:25 pm
 
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Nick Berg decap vid link/description

I know it's out there somewhere. I wanna see! I think...


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its brutal.

very grisly, though the video isn't very clear.

Now that I've seen it I wish I hadn't.


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alive and yelling.

you can tell he didn't know what they were about to do.

and the whole time the group of hooded men are yelling (I believe the translation is "Allah is good").

Its the worst of human behaviour, but its terrorism; I guess its doing its job.

If you feel you need to see it, ok (and it can be found at the website listed above), but if you have any doubt about it I would choose to stay away from it.


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Damn, son them barbaric muthafuckas need lightsabers. Makes for a cleaner cut. Dude was re-enacting O-Ren's scene from Kill Bill at the end there.
Thanks for the "heads-up", sheep.

Time for lunch!


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For those that don't want or can't watch the video but want a description; dude in the middle holding the papers behind Berg the victim reads a long, drawn-out Islamic spiel that takes up about 75% of the length of the video. Then about three quarters in he stops reading, nonchalantly hands his papers to the man on his left and pulls out a what looks like a machete from his back. He bends down toward Berg directly in front of him and begins to slice into his neck. Of course at this point Berg is screaming bloody murder because his head is being cut off with what is no doubt a blunt instrument. It's like fuck if you're going to cut my head of at least make it swift, but no these fuckers relish all this shit. The blood, the smell, the noise, the screams, etc.

So they're cutting into his neck, Berg is screaminng. Another Muslim freak puts his knee or something into Berg's back to hold him down. Basically 2 or 3 Muslim's hold Berg down while Master Chef tries to cut his head off. Meanwhile they're yelling their Islamic chants or whatever. "Allah is great" or something. Yeah he is great, but he doesn't give a mad fuck about you pissants that use his name while killing other people. Hello? You're cursing yourselves ya dumb fucks. Anyway, eventually Master Chef hacks through Bergs neck. It's apparent when you realize someone's head shouldn't be at that particular angle if it's still attached to their body. Berg's face is almost completely white at this point. After what seems like several minutes of screaming the guys is dead. So Master Chef holds up Berg's head like 'yay look what I got', straight up stealing the scene with O-Ren from Kill Bill. It's like Quentin Tarantino directed the whole fucking video. Ok Mr. Tarantino, I'm ready for my closeup.

You'll never see that Abe Lincoln beard on another person the same way again. It's like 'ha you've got an Abe Lincoln beard. And dude got his head cut the fuck off for that shit.'

It's a really fucked up way to die though. I wouldn't recommend it. Four out of five stars.


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I feel sick just reading that description.


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it's the cunt-act way it's done that saddens me the most.


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Personally, I didn't think it lasted that unbearably long

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How fucked up in the head must someone be to do something like that to another human being.

You probably have to realize what kind of society those people live in. They normally hack off body parts for crimes like stealing and shit. So for them to hack someones head off, especially an American's head while they have a major problem with American troops being in Iraq, is like ok fuck it, do it and get it over with. They may not enjoy it, but they probably think it'll get their message, what the hell that may be, across a lot clearer.

In the end they're all fuckin nuts though. You simply don't do that shit to another human being, especially to prove a point. Purely uncivilized. Ironically I was watching Mr. Rogers on TV while I was watching that shit on my computer. So apropos. On one had I had the kindness and warmth and on the other cold, muderous brutality. And Mr. Rogers's show was about pets and animals. Moral to the story: you cut off someone's head you're a fucking animal. Not human.


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Ok hereafter Monica Bellucci is known as Mrs. Spooge cause she is one spooge-inducing chick.

Right back to Berg,. I bet the American government handed his ass over to those radical muslim extremists, like one day it'll come out that because Berg declined the US govern's help the US handed his butt over to the muslims on a silver platter and basically said do what you want with him. Shit ends up like that sometimes, you never know what happens behind closed doors with clandestine relationships.

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I do agree that just being an American doesn't make the act any worse. No human should be put through that, regardless of their nationality. I don't agree that the American society is just as fucked up as the Iraqi society. I listen to those conservative talk shows and I never hear anything remotely as bad as the shit these islamic militant extremists advocate.


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They're not fucking Klingons.

Perhaps not Klingons but a close approximation!
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I don't think "their society" (I assume you mean Iraq) is any more bloodthirsty/callous than America's

here's some wacky thermographic footage of Iraqis (including an already downed one) getting obliterated by an Apache chaingun.

Right, optimum word being "gun" as opposed to "here's some wacky thermographic footage of American's hacking off people's heads and holding them up for display for their opponent. I've heard war stories of Americans doing some attrocious shit during wartime. None of it, including taking pictures of naked prisoners piled on top of each other, really comparies to footage of a man getting his head cut off. I mean that's just above and beyond the call of duty. It's overtime.


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http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000787.php <- Speaking of bloodthirsty, here's some wacky thermographic footage of Iraqis (including an already downed one) getting obliterated by an Apache chaingun.


I know you're playing devil's advocate here, but let's not pretend to assume this Apache vid in any way compares to the Nick Berg incident.


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My subBlack theme Zeppelin banner is how we say on the street - "breasts". :weed:

A slightly larger one @ 780px wide replaced the original @ 700px wide one. The font comes from Led Zeppelins "Houses of the Holy" album and the Runes come from the Led Zeppelin IV album of course.

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Well I'm totallly toasted now and I felt my banners comments would be more palatable than "I now sorta know how the Japanese felt towards their hostages in the middle east".

Oh and I'm not watching that. I already made the mistake of watching the Pearl video.


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I saw the video the day it was "released" and was revolted. We need to find these bastards and have them drawn and quartered with their remains displayed for public viewing.


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My subBlack theme Zeppelin banner is how we say on the street - "breasts".

It's the breasts Dp, the breasts, the nipples, the rear posterior- it rocks.

Now we just need some more Doors and Pink Floyd themed banners. :heavymetal:


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the easy answer is... if u are religous kill yourself to prove it, then we can nuke iraq and build one helluva big disneyland to visit and give half of it to lucas so we can have a star wars land! am i being a bit extreme? :heavymetal: anyone who celebbrates their gods by firing machine guns in the air has got it coming! and if you are proud of your religion, dont cover your face! duh! let the air in, i bet it was a bit warm trying to cut some poor bastards head off 200degrees in the shade whilst wearing a balaclava? (there mums probably told them too wrap up warm?) :whatevaho:

they are so ghey! look 3 of them even brought their handbags to a beheading! bitches!

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and if you are proud of your religion, dont cover your face!

And the ironic part is the US gov claims to have identified the main guy reading the spiel just from his voice so his mask was naught.

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Does Nick have his hands tied behind his back?

Yep. It's too bad he hadn't seen Gladiator enough times. If he stood up really fast while dude was about to cut him he might have pushed him back, dude would fall off balance, Nick swings around in a rage kicking and head-butting fuckers left and right, slams his body down hard on a fallen goon, grabs his machine gun with his hands still tied and proceeds to mow down everyone in the room including the cameraman.

Now THAT would be some seriously fucking cool video. :mrgreen:

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Those hooded monkeys are only like 3 feet tall.

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Aren't you a little short for an Islamic Terrorist?


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Those Islamic Extremists have nothing to do with Iraq society (that's as logical as holding up the values of the KKK with that of all of American society). They weren't even there until we invaded Iraq and baited them.


Okay my bad, I thought that you were equating the conservative talk show hosts with the Islamic extremists.

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About the talk shows, it's all about "the poor are lazy, our enemies are godless and evil, you're a traitor if you question Bush/Iraqi War, ban porn, free thinking is pretentious!" Sounds like the fucking fanatic and self-righteous Taliban mentality to me. Particularly callous and fascist is Rush Limbaugh calling the Abu Ghraib photos akin to fun-loving "frat hazing", thus condoning the violent behavior.


Do you actually listen to conservative talk shows or just what other people tell you about them? Occassionally a radio dumbass says something stupid/extreme but most of the time you'll find they are much more reasonable than you might think. In fact, most of the time when they're extreme, its in a context of a specific Democrats v. Republicans battle and doesn't have anything to do with the larger social issues at hand.

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STILL, you don't even have to turn to conservative talk radio to see how violence/revenge-oriented Americans are. I'd bet you a small fortune that if the US were invaded by a foreign army, you'd have a shitload as many dumbass, shit-kicking Americans doing the exact same shit those mobs did in Fallujah with the bodies of their percieved enemies.


While you could be right, do you have any real evidence to support this claim? Have their been similar examples of Americans dragging bodies through streets and video taping head removals.

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I don;t see how you can split hairs between disintegrating someone with a gun and sawing their head off. I see them both as equally disgusting shit. But I guess killing at a distance is somehow viewed as more humane than close combat, though both posed no threat to the attacker.


You're completely missing some key differences. Berg was a civilian, Berg was killed in a very humiliating, inhumane (yes there is such a thing as a humane kill) manner. It's quite different when a chopper guns down hostiles. I'd much rather die by being shot trying to take out the enemy than being kidnapped and having my head cut off on video so some fucker can use me as an example for his cause.

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Regardless, folks, I didn;t post that link to "one-up" Nick Berg's, though I can see how it came out that way. I was going to post it anyway just because of the topic of video'd war deaths reminded me of it (I saw it for the first time right before the Berg thing broke), and then I saw your posts so I responded to those at the same time.

When I wrote "speaking of bloodthirsty", I meant more along the lines of "speaking of me talking about America's love of violence, here I am posting some footage of more people dying." Not being a devil's advocate, but a self-conscious hypocrite.

About those "pictures of naked prisoners piled on top of each other." You forget "pictures of guys getting anally raped by broomsticks" (sounds like a familiar US police pasttime), not to mention all the cruel shit that didn't get photographed, like people getting beatened to death.


No doubt Americans are capable of some sick shit, as all humans are. However, I also believe that Americans are more civilized than Iraqis. For example, these soldiers that committed those acts will be severely punished. The Iraqis committing their war crimes will not (unless the US gets a hold of them, but if the US did not have a presence there, they would go unpunished). Iraq is several centuries behind in their thought. That's not a racist or anti-islamic statement. They've just been royally fucked over by bad rulers and poverty.


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the easy answer is... if u are religous kill yourself to prove it, then we can nuke iraq and build one helluva big disneyland to visit and give half of it to lucas so we can have a star wars land! am i being a bit extreme? :heavymetal: anyone who celebbrates their gods by firing machine guns in the air has got it coming! and if you are proud of your religion, dont cover your face! duh! let the air in, i bet it was a bit warm trying to cut some poor bastards head off 200degrees in the shade whilst wearing a balaclava? (there mums probably told them too wrap up warm?) :whatevaho:

they are so ghey! look 3 of them even brought their handbags to a beheading! bitches!

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Every time I hear someone advocate the nuking of the entire middle east, I pray a little more for Canada to invade America.


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I just read a wacked out theory that Nick Berg was possibly a spy and that is why he was killed. It was an interesting read.


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Monstera, the mainstream and acceptable oppression of women in Iraq should be evidence enough that they are less civilized than America. You're oversimplifying "civilization" by reducing it to violence alone.

And why do you single out the right, when there are just as many radicals on the left? The right may have control of radio, but the left has TV and movies. And while you may call these right wing radicals sheltered shut-ins, I'd call the left wing radicals delusional hippies.

I still think cutting someone's head off on a video tape to make a statement while he screams bloody murder is far worse than gunning someone down with a machine gun.

I openly admit that I believe what we're doing in Iraq is right. Though we may disagree about why we are there (you may say oil, I say for freedom) I can not for the life of me imagine anyone in their right mind believing Saddam Hussein was a good leader for Iraq. Iraq is a shithole, Saddam murdered thousands of his own people. Though its unfortunate that we had to go to war to do it, I can assure you the loss of life during this war is far less than if we had just let Saddam rule for another 10 years.


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With Osama Bin Laden and an untold number of nuts still out there, imagine Saddam still being in power now as well as years from now.

Eventually he'd get some pretty fucked up ideas in his mind or he'd help out those with equally fucked ideas. Bro had to go, regardless of whether he had any WMDs or not.

I just think it should have been handled differently: a covert assassination instead of an overt attack and invasion.


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Just wondering if there are any inquests in his detainship in Iraq?

I assumed he was some random yank who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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Fuck, I guess my degree in Political Science from one of the tip top Poli Sci programs in the country is useless now that you have shown me the way Monstera :roll:

I'm so fucking naive.


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by no means am i a doctor, but i used to be a surgery tech (fancy name for cleaning up after the smart people leave) and i think parts of the tape may have been time lapsed......their is no way you cut a LIVE humans head off and such little blood comes out...the aeorta in the neck would be pumping like crazy. Either way these fuckers piss me off, what kind of superfriend is big and bad enuff to cut a mans head off and not show their face....pussies :cathead:


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by no means am i a doctor, but i used to be a surgery tech (fancy name for cleaning up after the smart people leave) and i think parts of the tape may have been time lapsed......their is no way you cut a LIVE humans head off and such little blood comes out...the aeorta in the neck would be pumping like crazy.


Aeorta or juggular? Either way once Nick was dead, his heart would have stopped and NO blood would have been travelling up, so I dunno.


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This is the first time i refused to watch a vid clip. :?


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could that affect his blood pressure so much that there's no overt squirting/gushing?


Blood only comes out like this in the movies.
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Now that was a great movie


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I just hate when they make out money-grubbing assholes to be heroes.


I was watching the BBC news program earlier tonight and apparently there are LOTS of Americans lining up for jobs in Iraq. They're being wooed by the possibility of making a lot of money real fast. But of course there's also the possibility that they could either be killed by getting their car torched and having their burnt mutilated bodies dragged through the streets or getting their heads cut off like Berg. One older guy who worked for Halliburton told his wife that he'd only work there for a year and they'd be set for the rest of their lives. But an assassin's bullet took him out.

However, the primary focus of the story was the fact there are so many private security firms operating in Iraq that are protecting the hords of Americans working there. One complaint was that some of the people being hired as security may not be experienced and they could set off something big if they fuck up. They aren't governed by any laws so these private security people can basically do what they want.

So yeah, Berg ignored the US gov's advice to take the next plane and leave the country because he was looking for contract$. But there are also plenty of other Americans in his place still there doing the same $hit.


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so there's a good chance of another vid like this showing up sooner or later...


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Fuck, I guess my degree in Political Science from one of the tip top Poli Sci programs in the country is useless now that you have shown me the way Monstera :roll:

I'm so fucking naive.

And I have a teaching degree in Medieval English. Doesn't mean you're not a dipshit.


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