Episode III • The Digital Differences

[clif_droideka]

Well there had been a bit of hinting on McCallum's part that EP3 digitally would have a few differences. Has anyone seen it both ways and caught anything?

[CoGro]

I want answers here as well.

[boltzman]

Yeah, I also saw both versions.....no changes....probably will be on the DVD release though....

[BrotherTheFirst]

read somewhere here there was no funeral jappor snippet.

had a big circular wipe on it ending this scene at mine.
same for you?



edit: ok.

[Knil]

What do you guys think about IMAX? I hear it's not going to happen, but if they wanted to, it could be done easily. I'd love to see what they would add and take away in that.

[Joe1138]

I caught the digital version this afternoon (by the way, if you have the chance to see this thing at the Cinerama Dome, by all means do it; it's the only way to experience this flick) and noticed a brief exchange between Anakin and Obi-Wan during the openning space battle that I don't remember being in the film version.

As a clone fighter is being attacked, Anakin catches the assualt and says something to the effect of, "I'm going to help them," with Obi-wan responding, "Don't bother with them."

[Devil Dodo]

I caught the digital version this afternoon (by the way, if you have the chance to see this thing at the Cinerama Dome, by all means do it; it's the only way to experience this flick) and noticed a brief exchange between Anakin and Obi-Wan during the openning space battle that I don't remember being in the film version.

As a clone fighter is being attacked, Anakin catches the assualt and says something to the effect of, "I'm going to help them," with Obi-wan responding, "Don't bother with them."

that was in the film version as well...

[dcbar10der]

i would give one of my wife's nipples to have blue qui-gon in the film.

[padme]

I've seen both versions twice, no difference at all as far as my eyes could see...

[jusane]

damn.
i felt that too much things were cut.
hahah things that i dont know for sure is supposed to be in the film at all.
maybe just things ive read here and such.
like that gasoline scene in the beginning...
quigon and dagobah
but i hope there are extended scenes on the dvd
wooo
it was pretty sweet nonetheless!

[frude_dude]

While watching the digital version, the dumb guy next to me interrupted me during the wookie battle to ask about Chewbacca, but I could have sworn that there was no Tarzan yell like in the workprint. Can anyone confirm?

[TheGenius]

In the film version I saw at the end Vader says "Nooooooo!", and in the digital version he says "What the fuck did you just say?!?" There was also a small scene with Qui-Gon and a real small scene with Yoda on a swamp planet of some sort. The scenes were real insignificant and in some aspects made it worse for me. Other than that, everything was pretty much the same.

[The Dark Shape]

what waz up wit the blue guy who talked to Yodah? btw i've never seen sw before it waz tha shizzle.

[Joe1138]

that was in the film version as well...

No that was in the regular version to.

I think after Anakin says that, Obi says "they have a job to do and so do you" or something to that extent.

Alright, thanks for the clarification.

[frude_dude]

In the film version I saw at the end Vader says "Nooooooo!", and in the digital version he says "What the fuck did you just say?!?" There was also a small scene with Qui-Gon and a real small scene with Yoda on a swamp planet of some sort. The scenes were real insignificant and in some aspects made it worse for me. Other than that, everything was pretty much the same.

What about the scene on Bail Organa's ship where Yoda was cooking one final meal for everyone before they went their separate ways? "Eat, eat. Hot. Good food, hm? Good, hmm? Our last supper this will be, enjoy it we must." Great way for GL to bridge the two trilogies.

[frude_dude]

In the film version I saw at the end Vader says "Nooooooo!", and in the digital version he says "What the fuck did you just say?!?" There was also a small scene with Qui-Gon and a real small scene with Yoda on a swamp planet of some sort. The scenes were real insignificant and in some aspects made it worse for me. Other than that, everything was pretty much the same.

What about the scene on Bail Organa's ship where Yoda was cooking one final meal for everyone before they went their separate ways? "Eat, eat. Hot. Good food, hm? Good, hmm? Our last supper this will be, enjoy it we must." Great way for GL to bridge the two trilogies.

And this one by Obi-wan: "Anakin, if you spent as much time practicing your cooking skills as you do talking politics with Palpatine you would rival Master Yoda as a chef!"

[TheGenius]

What about the scene on Bail Organa's ship where Yoda was cooking one final meal for everyone before they went their separate ways? "Eat, eat. Hot. Good food, hm? Good, hmm? Our last supper this will be, enjoy it we must." Great way for GL to bridge the two trilogies.

I must admit, after that scene I finally realized what it feels like to fall in love with your rapist.

[raptor10001]

what waz up wit the blue guy who talked to Yodah? btw i've never seen sw before it waz tha shizzle.

you are a true scholar

[scifan]

I saw both film and digital versions and it is identical except that the digital one shows "a long time ago..." and prologue in Thai with English subtitles, the movie is in English soundtrack with Thai subtitles. The digital version is very crisp and bright you can see very detail, the film version have more grain.

[Mike_Droideka]

The digital version is the only way to see this movie.
I saw the regular version twice, then the digital version once;
no comparison, digital was astoundingly more detailed and far more beautiful looking.
I felt a little cheated that there wasn't an additional scene, or two in the digi version, but I guess that means we have something to look forward to with the DVD release in November...

[tlbauerle]

I agree...Digital is the way to go!!!

[PTGrievous]

Saw both... identical... they are.

The beginning of the Space Battle needs to go back in, even if it is boring technical ghibberish, I got so used to hearing the OST track, that it was clear as day what was cut.

Lots of golden lines cut.
OBI WAN: "I was never able to teach you how to think"

[offspringboy]

Don't know if I have spotted one, but on the digital screening as Ani is lying down on that table, he lifts his right robotic hand up and tries to stop the robot messing with it?
I can't remember this when I saw it at vue cinema's.

[SHarris84]

That was also in the non-digital version I watched.

[VT883]

JimDangle & Hipnotik: While I was waiting in line for the Digital Screen at the Cimemark/Legacy the power went out!! All of the movies stopped for a few min. I feel sorry for those folks!!

ROTS seems to get better every time I see it. My first reaction was quite negative and now that I have seen it 3 times I can honestly say that ROTS is one of best from both trilogies. I think I read too many nickpick reviews before I saw it the first time and all I could think about was what is wrong with the movie and not what was great about the movie. I think Fatboy’s posts help me to put things into a better perspective.

After the movie you could hear people nickpick all sorts of things ... and I just thought "damn, ... was I like that?"

Thanks to all of you here at MF.com!! You really brought the kid out of me. I saw ANH in 77 when I was in second grade and now all of the excitement I felt as a kid is now back. I hope to bring such excitement to my two sons.

[adywan]

I have noticed one tiny difference with both prints. On the non digital version when obi-wan is fighting grievous' guard on the bridge of the Invisible Hand, he cuts off its head and it falls to the floor as if it has been killed and obi-wan turns to walk away then the droid gets back up and obi-wan looks surprised then continues to fight. In the digital version he cuts off his head and the droid continues to fight. so the digital version seems to be a bit cut.

It's a pity because i thought that this scene was better in its entirety.

[Maveritchell]

I have noticed one tiny difference with both prints. On the non digital version when obi-wan is fighting grievous' guard on the bridge of the Invisible Hand, he cuts off its head and it falls to the floor as if it has been killed and obi-wan turns to walk away then the droid gets back up and obi-wan looks surprised then continues to fight. In the digital version he cuts off his head and the droid continues to fight. so the digital version seems to be a bit cut.

It's a pity because i thought that this scene was better in its entirety.

Maybe you blinked or something.

[adywan]

well i have seen the digital version 4 times and the film print 6 times so i doubt it

[pimponwater]

hxxp://www.informationweek.com/story/sh ... =163105760

"The latest Star Wars movie, for example, exists digitally as an 80-Gbyte file."

[Exmortem]

80gigs, my lord.

[devolver]

adywan, i saw the non digi print twice, once each at two different theaters, and both times the droid didn't fall to the ground. i"m going to the DLP theater in plano some time soon.

Maybe the non digi print you saw was spliced bad. The majority of people here are saying there's no difference. So, I have to believe all of them over you and the supposed 10 times youve seen this movie alreayd.

[adywan]

well i have just gone to see the non digi print at UCI Cinema in Telford UK and the scene is definately there. it isn't spliced bad because it is different footage. Can't understand why it would be in one print and not any others though. will try and get the footage next time i go. hopefully someone else has seen it and can back me up

[kelsey]

i was in auditorium 16 on opening night

Same theater I was in. I was on the very front row. Man I wish I had showed up earlier. It is very hard to try and watch a movie that close. i thought my brain was going to explode.

Did you see that guy doing flips up by the screen?

No way! I was in 16 at GV Mills too... My bf and i were the couple that were immediately on your right hipnotik... that poor girl when she went down after they threw the paper airplane, and she came down to scold everyone, and she got the SHIT booed out of her... cause I think people thought she was trying to stop the gymnast...

Did either of you think it started out REALLY frikkin loud??

[Capt. Sith Park]

Seen both versions - Didn't see any difference - Damn!

At C3 - The 'ROTS' Art Dept. (Ryan Church, Ian McCaig Etc.) stated that we should go see the Digital version because it would be different than the Film one
Roger Guyette (VizFX) - Went over some sequences/elements that may be cut from the film) and Matthew Wood (Ep.3 Sound FX, Grevious voice) also said that there would be differences

To further expand on this - We were told by Nick Gillard (Stunt Co-Ordinator) that there were sequences and much Lee/Christensen Lightsaber footage that he absolutely was ecstatic about that was excluded from the Ep.2 'AOTC' theatrical release and didn't make the DVD either


Shows us all who has the final veto - The power of O' Flannelled One

Treasures I'm sure, locked away at SkyWalker Ranch waiting for Potential future releases

With all of the cut stuff from the film that we've seen through Hyperspace, Spy-Reports, The Making of books Etc. - This should be one hell of a DVD

[TK432]

The only change I noticed was.


A different Mr/Mrs Smith trailer.

lol..

I don’t think they changed anything. Which is weird cuz Rich hinted at it at C3.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

They flat out said there would be differences, so see the digital print as well as the film print. StarWars.com would put up a listing of every DLP showing so we could make sure to catch the film digitally. There would be events similar to that one in England where they showed all six films in one day.

They flat out didn't know what they were talking about or they just wanted to pacify the crowd and make sure we all saw the film twice. Funny bastards.

[Mike_Droideka]

...and better sound!

[Lightivity]

I caught a difference:

The Vader transformation scene: that last overhead-belly-up angle shot where we see Anakin/Vaders face before the mask is put on has changed or is gone. In the digital version the mask and its red glowing eyes ascends much further down, actually all the way down, and covers the camera. Then it cuts straight to the close up of the polished mask locking in place, hissing.

From what I remember the celloluid version is different from the digital in that it cuts from the ascending mask with glowing eyes, to that last shot of Anakin looking up AT th mask. THEN it cuts to the mask locking in place.

[Lightivity]

This shot is what I mean is missing from the digital version:

http://img70.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0055zm.jpg

[TJ Cobra]

I personally haven't seen the digital version. But a friend of mind did, and he asked this question, related to this topic:


"Now, I'm gonna ask all of you this ONE question regarding ROTS. It's no
biggie, really. But, there was a scene in the movie that I have only
seen once... And, the one time I saw this particular scene was on
opening night at midnight. Since then, I have never seen the scene
again... neither at the digital showing nor the regular showing (I've
seen the movie about 5 times so far). It's like the scene... VANISHED.
I've been asking around to see if anyone else remembers the scene (just
to assure myself of my sanity) and only ONE other person claims to
remember it. It's in the begining of the film when Obi is fighting the
battle droids, and Anakin is cutting through a door behind Obi-Wan. The
dialogue goes as follows:

Anakin: "Almost there" (emulating RED Leader of ANH)

Obi-Wan: "Stay on target..." (emulating that old rebel pilot in ANH)

It was really quick in delivery. Ewan was right on top of Hayden's cue.
The only time I've seen that bit was on opening night at the digital
showing. I've been to the digital showing one other time after that and
it wasn't there. I was also at the regular showing 3 times after that
and it wasn't there, either.

It isn't in the script, comic adaptation, or the book on tape (I don't
know if it is in the actual novel, though).

However, it IS in the video game which I do own. And, no... I know I'm
not remembering it from the game and thinking I saw it in the movie...
I just bought the game a week ago, and I've been asking people about
that scene since the second time I saw the movie a couple days after it
was released in theaters.

The reason why I remember it is because:

A. it was pretty funny and memorable.
B. Everyone in the theater was laughing at that scene because Hayden's
and Ewan's delivery of the lines were, like, DEAD-On.

Like I said, the only time I've seen that scene was at the midnight
showing of the digital version. The second time I saw the digital
version it wasn't there, nor was it there the three times I saw the
regular version.

Does anyone else remember it?"

[Lightivity]

Can't even remember Anakin cutting through a door at all.

[Demodex]

This shot is what I mean is missing from the digital version:

http://img70.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0055zm.jpg

It is? I'll have to see it agian to be sure, but I thought it was in there.

[Bandersnatch]

I thought that "Almost there" and "Stay on target..." were there all 4 times I've seen it. They overlap a bit, and it's not an exact imitation of the DS trench run in ANH, but I'm sure it's there.

Damn, now I have to go see it AGAIN!

[Cheesus]

This shot is what I mean is missing from the digital version:

http://img70.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0055zm.jpg

It is? I'll have to see it agian to be sure, but I thought it was in there.

I am too.

[Lightivity]

I might be wrong. Maybe I blinked. But I really had the perception that the mask travelled all the way down from top to bottom - covering the camera - without any crosscutting to Vaders expression.

So that this shot

http://img70.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0047gc.jpg

and this

http://img70.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdvd0069ar.jpg

is one complete continuing shot, without Vaders reaction shot in the middle.

[SlimJim]

Last night I was watching some of the commentary on the OT DVDs and wondered if it was even a possibility for the Lucas & Co to release a special edition of ROTS (say late summer or early fall) with a special marketing campaign. This SE ROTS could include the deleted scenes or the scenes that are "rumored/wished for" to be added to the DVD release in the fall.

In a way it would be like the SE releases of the OT and could give ROTS a boost post Batman, WOW, Kong, Fan4, etc. Lucas is an innovator in a lot of ways and for a franchise like SW I would think it would be a great way to feed the fire one last time. Anyone heard anything like this or am I just impatient for the DVD?

[Demodex]

I thought that "Almost there" and "Stay on target..." were there all 4 times I've seen it. They overlap a bit, and it's not an exact imitation of the DS trench run in ANH, but I'm sure it's there.

I've seen it 3 times and I've not once heard these lines. I don't remember Anakin cutting through a door either. The closest thing would have been the ceiling of the elevator.

[CoGro]

I personally haven't seen the digital version. But a friend of mind did, and he asked this question, related to this topic:


"Now, I'm gonna ask all of you this ONE question regarding ROTS. It's no
biggie, really. But, there was a scene in the movie that I have only
seen once... And, the one time I saw this particular scene was on
opening night at midnight. Since then, I have never seen the scene
again... neither at the digital showing nor the regular showing (I've
seen the movie about 5 times so far). It's like the scene... VANISHED.
I've been asking around to see if anyone else remembers the scene (just
to assure myself of my sanity) and only ONE other person claims to
remember it. It's in the begining of the film when Obi is fighting the
battle droids, and Anakin is cutting through a door behind Obi-Wan. The
dialogue goes as follows:

Anakin: "Almost there" (emulating RED Leader of ANH)

Obi-Wan: "Stay on target..." (emulating that old rebel pilot in ANH)

It was really quick in delivery. Ewan was right on top of Hayden's cue.
The only time I've seen that bit was on opening night at the digital
showing. I've been to the digital showing one other time after that and
it wasn't there. I was also at the regular showing 3 times after that
and it wasn't there, either.

It isn't in the script, comic adaptation, or the book on tape (I don't
know if it is in the actual novel, though).

However, it IS in the video game which I do own. And, no... I know I'm
not remembering it from the game and thinking I saw it in the movie...
I just bought the game a week ago, and I've been asking people about
that scene since the second time I saw the movie a couple days after it
was released in theaters.

The reason why I remember it is because:

A. it was pretty funny and memorable.
B. Everyone in the theater was laughing at that scene because Hayden's
and Ewan's delivery of the lines were, like, DEAD-On.

Like I said, the only time I've seen that scene was at the midnight
showing of the digital version. The second time I saw the digital
version it wasn't there, nor was it there the three times I saw the
regular version.

Does anyone else remember it?"

None of that is in the film.

[Demodex]

Thanks for quoting that whole text. I couldn't remember what we were talking about.

[CoGro]

^ blow me.

see, I didn't even have to quote.