Episode III Cut & Deleted Scenes Discussion

[CoGro]

Discuss.

Cutting the rebellion scenes was probably a wise idea. I can't wait to see them though, and I wouldn't even mind if they were re-incorporated into the DVD, depending on whether or not they are any good.

But if there's one thing I desperately want back, it's the Qui-Gon scene and I think people feel this way across the board.

[jpeters430]

I actually hope that they don't put Yoda on Dagobah in for the DVD release. I've wanted it from the beginning, but after seeing the movie, I think it's cool how Yoda just disappears "into exile," and then suddenly reappears in Dagobah after being gone for a movie. It plays better that way.

I'd like Qui-Gon, but I just wish someone would come out with the fucking truth on what went down. Did Neeson really refuse to do the part? That seems odd to me with his past comments, but if he did, then FUCK HIM, even though I've always liked the guy. I wish Lucas would say whether he cut it, or Neeson gave him the finger.

Rebellion scenes would be awesome. I understand why they were cut, but it'd be awesome if Lucas put a minute or two back into the actual film, or hell, I'll even be happy with just deleted scenes. I'm looking forward to this the most.

[CoGro]

It doesn't need to be filmed - Yoda is a CG character and the background can be reproduced, in fact it probably was, in CGI...we catch the but-end of it in the film when we see Yoda in deep thought. All we would need is Liam's performance, and to be honest, I'd be happy with a sound alike. If that fuck doesn't want to read two lines for ROTS but will happily attach himself to Kingdom of Heaven and Batman, so be it.

[CoGro]

If that's the case and Lucas wants the scene back, it will be done. I still think it would take all of two hours to get that job done.

[Emperor's Prize]

I would have loved to have seen the Qui-Gon sequence, but I really thought at least one "Rebellion" scene should have made the cut. As it stands now, there's SEVEN consecutive scenes with Anakin running between them:

• The Hairbrush (and dream)
• The Veranda
• Meeting Yoda
• Obi-Wan discussing Outer Rim Seiges
• Palpatine puts Anakin on the Council
• Council denies Anakin 'Master' status
• ObiWan asks Anakin to spy on Palpatine

Even a brief scene in there would break things up a bit and wouldn't slow the movie down too much.

[jpeters430]

I don't think it was Neeson refusing to do it because of the quality of the films. From what I understand, he just didn't have a break in his schedule. I know that sounds ridiculous, but he's been involved in a lot of stuff lately and coming in to voice over a few lines probably doesn't rank that high on the priority sheet.

I understand that he may have been busy, but it still Star Wars, he knows it's a huge movie, and it would only take half a day, a whole day including travel. I'm sure that if he REALLY wanted to do the part, and Lucas asked him to, he would've found the time.

Who knows really? I've read so many reports all stating different things. I'd like to know what happened from either Neeson or Lucas. It's odd that there's so much chaos surrounding this scene (on the internet, at least) and no one will come out and explain why it wasn't included.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

If Neeson was that bitter about Star Wars, I don't think he would have attended the premier.

I agree that the rebellion scene being cut was certainly wise editing choice. I just can’t imagine those scenes fitting into the tapestry of the film and helping anything at all beyond wondering how it was all started. With a TV show coming, I think that will be satisfied.

[Big C]

Qui-gon.

And I want the line added back to the battle with Obi-wan and Greivous. When greivous says he was trained by Dooku in the Jedi Arts. Obi-wan replies something like, "I trained the man who killed Dooku" Those little quips like that add depth.

[dj-anakin]

what rebellion scenes?



also, there is one scene that i had hoped for, and it would have linked PT with OT.

yoda walking down a walkway, from a ship, with a few supplies on the ground. the ship taking off, and eminating a red glow, like it did in empire, and he looks up and watches the ship fly away. then have him look around at his new home and say something to qui-gon, and qui-gon say something back.

i think anakin should have said "master, destroyers!!", like obi did in TPM.

also, did anakins left hand/arm get cut off? cause we see obi-wan cut off his legs, then when he is laying on the ground, his left hand is hidden or under his body. i would also like to see more dialog between him and obi-wan during this scene.

i DO NOT want anything with sidious talkin about how his master created anakin. that just negates the matter of the prophecy.

also, i would like to see the little smart ass replys from anakin to the seperatists on mustafar. one i remember is one of them saying "lrd sidious promised us a handsome reward!" and anakin replies, "i am your reward, do you not find me handsome?" then he cuts down the seperatist. there were a bunch, IIRC.

[ETandElliott]

I'm pretty sure this is for discussion of deleted scenes that actually exist.

[FightingWithClay]

Well, we do know that one deleted scene has Grevious in it, and that there will be 5 or 6 deleted scenes on the DVD, according to Rick. Since the Qui-Gon scene was probably not filmed, here are my guesses for the deleted scenes, keeping in mind that they don't count extended bits as deleted scenes, only complete scenes.

1. Fuel Sequence/Grevious duels Shaak Ti.
2. Delegation of 2000 Meeting in Bail's Office.
3. Delegation of 2000 Meeting at Padme's Veranda
4. Obi-Wan and Padme Talk About Anakin
5. Delegation of 2000 Petition Meeting in Palpatine's Office
6. Yoda lands on Dagobah

[mavrik]

First and formost I would like the full duel we were promised between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Don't get me wrong, the duel was great... but we were promised the longest fight ever filmed (on screen time), verbal attacks from both, and even some of the unfinished clips we saw on web docs didn't seem to make it in there. I just get the feeling from how Hayden was talking during the filming, that there was a lot more to it. But hey... probably just wishful sheep thinking.
As far as the Qui-gon discussion goes.... I get the drift that it was just cut like the rest of the scenes were, no hidden meaning or anything. It seems like George just made the decision to focus solely on Anakin falling to the dark side and thats it.
It sucks, but honestly I'd rather have the movie as it is than have it ruined by one of those added scenes if it's not done correctly.

[piscesfury]

I don't think I'm wrong in bringing this up but it would seem that we had quite a few insiders before the movie came out. Why we don't know this info already is odd to me.

[CoGro]

That's great news if it happens.

[ANTEsede]

If those are actually reincorporated into the movie on the DVD, I'd be happy.

TPM was so cool, seeing all those new scenes during the movie, not watching them separate on another disc.

[STDSkillz]

Would it be at all possible to make the Dooku/Anakin fight longer? That whole fight just seems so spliced and cut up...

[Wrath Mania]

Would it be at all possible to make the Dooku/Anakin fight longer? That whole fight just seems so spliced and cut up...

Felt alot smoother than their fight in Clones.

And if that one wasn't lengthened, you can garauntee the one in ROTS wont be.

[Ascovel]

Don't get me wrongo, I'm really looking forward to those two scenes being put back in the DVD version.

And I don't see any need for Yoda on Dagobah, Delegations, Petitions, extended duels, more Jedi annihilation and such.

[Thundercracker]

There was only one little segment cut from the 2 on 1 portion of the Dooku duel. You can see most of it in the B107 webdoc. Basically they were supposed to fight towards the second set of stairs then back again to the spot where Dooku Force pushes Obi-Wan in the face. Also a bit on the balcony before Dooku back-kicks Anakin and Force chokes Obi-Wan.

I would love to see it but Lucas doesn't really go for those types of additions.

[Wrath Mania]

There was only one little segment cut from the 2 on 1 portion of the Dooku duel. You can see most of it in the B107 webdoc. Basically they were supposed to fight towards the second set of stairs then back again to the spot where Dooku Force pushes Obi-Wan in the face.

I would love to see it but Lucas doesn't really go for those types of additions.

Yeah, anyone remember parts of the Maul duel in Episode I that were shown in the deleted scenes documentary, but not in the actual set of scenes?

People are asking for extended duel and stuff; they're not gonna get it.

We know parts of Obi-Wan/Anakin were cut short, and judging from the script and pictures, parts of Yoda/Sidious as well. You're not gonna get that.

[MannyOrtez]

I hope the Rebellion scenes aren't back in. They will be nice to see, but the story is Anakin's story, and I was very relieved that it was so focused. Gave the film a lot of heart. I think EI and EII could have benefited from similar editing focusing on character's stories rather than plots.

I think the Yoda scene was finished. It's in the Making of Book, GL talks about Yoda's expression during the scene. So that was created. Will be glad to see that in. Doesn't make much sense why we see everyone else reach their destination except Yoda.

[clif_droideka]

If I may add in my own take on the Qui-Gon deletion. I REALLY enjoyed the passage in the novel where Yoda speaks with Qui-Gon. I liked that it was a that moment that this "voice" of the force which had sounded like Qui-Gon was revealed to be Qui-Gon when Yoda was at his lowest moment. I would like to see the scene played out as a deleted scene but I would not expect to see Qui-Gon appear as a ghost. I like that the power to achieve that ability is one that no Jedi ever achieved and only Yoda and Obi, aftter 20 years of learning from Qui-Gon will be able to attempt to do. I felt satisfied with this bit of exposition. The one place I felt that the novel exceeded the script.

[Wrath Mania]

He means they're being put in the movie.

[The Dark Shape]

If it's not in the final shooting script of the movie, why would it even be considered?

[Thundercracker]

That would be cool. I liked that little exchange between Anakin and Padme about the baby kicking.

[Reecoh]

In addition to the Qui-Gon scene, I'm hoping to see the full space battle at the beginning that was in the script. The entire end duel would be good too. It's a shame that those two put months of prep work into the fight to have it cut short.

I don't really expect any of these to be added back into the films, but added as cut scenes. What I'm hoping for is that when Lucas releases these in the 6 movie set down the road that they are in HD and have seamless branching options to show either the original cut of the movies or a version with the cut scenes put in. Probably not likely, but it would be cool.

[[DFL]]

If I may add in my own take on the Qui-Gon deletion. I REALLY enjoyed the passage in the novel where Yoda speaks with Qui-Gon. I liked that it was a that moment that this "voice" of the force which had sounded like Qui-Gon was revealed to be Qui-Gon when Yoda was at his lowest moment. I would like to see the scene played out as a deleted scene but I would not expect to see Qui-Gon appear as a ghost. I like that the power to achieve that ability is one that no Jedi ever achieved and only Yoda and Obi, aftter 20 years of learning from Qui-Gon will be able to attempt to do. I felt satisfied with this bit of exposition. The one place I felt that the novel exceeded the script.

DUDE....I feel the Same Way

Let's Hope this is recreated in the Final (DVD) version of the film

[CoGro]

I dunno. I liked the Obi/Ani duel as is. editing wise it feels alot like the ESB duel. If I were to add anything to it, it would be some of the line exchanges.

[BrotherTheFirst]

I'd like to see the mysterious loss of Anakin's saber back in.

And the return of Qui-Gon.

[CoGro]

You'd know if the cut scene was in there.

[monkspider]

One thing about the Obi/Ani duel that I felt left me wanting more was the dialogue. While what limited dialogue that existed in the scene was quite good, I was reminded of the line in RotJ where Luke is trying to turn Vader back to the light side, and he says something like "Obi-Wan once thought as you do". We are not really given that impression in RotS. Instead, it seems like Obi Wan simply wants to kill Anakin, rather than try to turn him back. This, for me, was my biggest disappointment with RotS.

Other than that, I would really like to see the Dooku fight extended. It was disappointing in it's present form. Those of us who have the Episode III video game are treated to one little deleted snippet from the movie. Just as Dooku ignites his lightsaber, he says "Just because there are two of you, do not assume you have the advantage". I thought that was a great line, and it was a shame that it was cut. Little things like that could have made the Dooku sequence much more rewarding.

[CoGro]

Didn't the whole 'you were the chosen one' bit set off bells as to what obi-wan thought? He had always had faith in Anakin, always stuck up for him and always believed he would achieve greatness. "Anakin, you are strong and wise and I am very proud of you." This is what Vader says to Luke....You believe in me just as Obi-wan once did.

[monkspider]

Didn't the whole 'you were the chosen one' bit set off bells as to what obi-wan thought? He had always had faith in Anakin, always stuck up for him and always believed he would achieve greatness. "Anakin, you are strong and wise and I am very proud of you." This is what Vader says to Luke....You believe in me just as Obi-wan once did.

An interesting counterpoint.
But the lack of dialogue in that scene did stick out like a sore thumb, at least for me.

[Jhonsun]

Obi-Wan vs. the MagnaGuards

There was a scene that was filmed (and briefly displayed during the Making EP III featurette, "This Weapon Is Your Life", as well as the "Back in Black" industry promo) where Obi-Wan was to originally take on three of Grevious' MagnaGaurds at the same time on Utapau in a lightsaber/staff duel before the main event duel with Grevious.

Instead, Obi-Wan strikes a pose with his lightsaber (which obviously belonged to the cut sequence, and seemed goofy to me without it) and then drops an A/C unit or something on the MagnaGuards with the Force instead. It seemed like a cop out and was a big let down for me.

[The_Somnambulist]

It's self-parodying.

Those series of "fights" between the Magnadroids, Grievous and the eventual blaster kill serve as an insult to the acclaimed majesty and dignity of lightsaber usage.

That, and GL probably felt that they should mix it up with a bit of the unexpected and less redundancy.

[Devil Dodo]

Instead, Obi-Wan strikes a pose with his lightsaber (which obviously belonged to the cut sequence, and seemed goofy to me without it) and then drops an A/C unit or something on the MagnaGuards with the Force instead. It seemed like a cop out and was a big let down for me.

I totally agree with that. You could see Obi-Wan start to do that kick but in the next shot he's going into a different pose.

They also cut Obi-Wan's line in this exchange:

GRIEVOUS: "You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."

OBI WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi who defeated Count Dooku!"

I liked that line...

And also Dooku's line: "Just because there are two of you do not assume you have the advantage.". I was looking forward to more bantering in that scene...

The Qui-Gon scene: I think should be inserted... I think it will be a great moment not only to establish Qui-Gon's connection but also for Yoda to reflect on his failure both at not destroying Sidious, and his failure to the Jedi Order.

If Liam is really too stubborn and unproffesional to do the line readings, then I agree a sound-a-like would suffice... I hear the guy who did Qui-Gon on the Clone Wars series was believable... ?

[Jhonsun]

Those series of "fights" between the Magnadroids, Grievous and the eventual blaster kill serve as an insult to the acclaimed majesty and dignity of lightsaber usage.

But you could say it helped illustrate or signify the end of "a more civilized age".

[The_Somnambulist]

OBI WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi who defeated Count Dooku!"

The assumption here is too loose. Since when does the strength of an apprentice reflect the strength of the respective master?

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But you could say it helped illustrate or signify the end of "a more civilized age".

Yep. That's the deal.

[Devil Dodo]

OBI WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi who defeated Count Dooku!"

The assumption here is too loose. Since when does the strength of an apprentice reflect the strength of the respective master?

Still... it was a bloody cool line!

[Jhonsun]

They also cut Obi-Wan's line in this exchange:

GRIEVOUS: "You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."

OBI WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi who defeated Count Dooku!"

I liked that line...

Now why would Lucas decide to cut that off right in the middle of that exchange? This is a great comeback. Was he trying to save an extra 5 seconds? I haven't read the novel yet but I have read the graphic novel and it's amazing how different the novel, the graphic novel, and the movie are from one another. The movie got edited to pieces.

The Qui-Gon scene: I think should be inserted... I think it will be a great moment not only to establish Qui-Gon's connection but also for Yoda to reflect on his failure both at not destroying Sidious, and his failure to the Jedi Order.

I agree. This idea has been underscored in interviews with Lucas and also in the novel Labyrinth Of Evil yet he cuts it from the movie? What for? It seemed like the perfect way to explain where the Jedi Order went wrong by not being open to change and also vindicated Qui-Gon's defiance in TPM. When you consider it, it makes Qui-Gon a much more consequential character to the PT.

[Thundercracker]

Those of us who have the Episode III video game are treated to one little deleted snippet from the movie. Just as Dooku ignites his lightsaber, he says "Just because there are two of you, do not assume you have the advantage".

I forgot about that little snippet in the videogame footage. I remember reading Spoileriffic's report on the Dooku duel which was in February and it seemed most of the deleted footage and lines were still in then. Shame.

Obi-Wan vs. the MagnaGuards

I was looking forward to that too. But I could see GL considering it redundant or a sidetrack considering we saw the MagnaGuards fight at the beginning of the film.

[Jhonsun]

I was looking forward to that too. But I could see GL considering it redundant or a sidetrack considering we saw the MagnaGuards fight at the beginning of the film.

I also thought that that could have been Lucas' reasoning behind the decision to cut it. I would have liked it in there anyways though because I don't think it would have felt redundant to me. Instead, it would have been a nice ramp up to the last half of the movie, after that slow section of the film that comes after the Palpatine rescue up until Obi-Wan catches up with Grievous (which feels slower and slower with repeated viewings).

Just that small, close-quarter skirmish on board the ship got me excited about the "real" duel with the MagnaGuards that I thought was yet to come. I also felt that it would have been a very dramatic battle from the clips that I saw, a 3 to 1 against Obi-Wan before the main event with Grievous as the climax. It would have made a great centerpiece for the middle of the movie in my opinion. But that's just my opinion.

[Dogg Thang]

Hmmm...the only one I'd have interest in seeing is the Qui-Gon scene. Partly because Yoda's line to Obi-Wan at the end seems to come out of nowhere and sounds really out of place. It might help to get the context of what he is talking about.

But, more importantly, because what I heard of that scene gives Yoda himself much more depth, especially in the context of the fall of the Jedi. After Ep3, I'm still hearing (and reading right here) that it was simply Anakin's unwillingness to remove attachments that caused him to turn to the Dark Side - this is because that is what Yoda and the Jedi have been preaching. Now Yoda and the Jedi, through their downfall, have proven themselves to be quite wrong about a great many things. And, when it comes down to it, it is Anakin's attachment - attachment to his son - that causes him to take down the Emperor.

That Qui-Gon scene very much showed that Yoda had much to learn and led nicely to the Yoda we meet in Ep5. As it is, in the film, Yoda seems to have learned nothing from his mistakes.

[BearaceDougie]

Yeah, either that or Anakin Killing her, I know they filmed it... But why would they film 2 deaths? Maybe that Grevious Death was just taken from Anakin one?

[TJ Cobra]

The "just because there are 2 of you...." line NEEDS to be put back in. That, along with "Execute Order 66" are for me the two most classic and memorable lines of Ep. III.

[robo_obi]

Yeah, either that or Anakin Killing her, I know they filmed it... But why would they film 2 deaths? Maybe that Grevious Death was just taken from Anakin one?

grievous killing shaak ti was the way it was originally written as she was the jedi carrying the beacon that ani and obi tracked to find palpatine.

that was then cut

then they made it so anakin killed her during order 66 but that too got cut

[Zéyann]

What you didn't see:
Fans who meticulously studied the release trailer may have noticed two shots nowhere to be found in the finished film. One is of a determined hooded Anakin marching down the Trade Federation cruiser hallway, and the other is of Ki-Adi-Mundi reluctantly turning to face some unseen fate while in the Jedi gunship hangar.

three actually, I don't recall seeing the side-scrolling part of the duel in the finished version. Somehow, I was looking forward to this particular part of the duel.

[Moxichlorian]

I am glad you said that Zéyann. You know I didn't remember seeing that sideways scrolling part of the duel. I thought I had missed it both times I saw the film and was a little disappointed.

So you saying that confirms I was not going mad and it was cut.

[mavrik]

They also cut Obi-Wan's line in this exchange:

GRIEVOUS: "You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku."

OBI WAN: "You forget I trained the Jedi who defeated Count Dooku!"

I liked that line

I liked that line too.

Hey, anybody else remember hearing Matt Wood saying that he was recording additional Greivous lines for the DVD? If so, what lines could he be recording?

[Cheesus]

I'd also like 3POs line about being a tattletale added.

As it stands, it doesn't make much sense why Bail tells Antilles to wipe only 3PO's mind and not R2's.