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At first I didn't really like the Shaak Ti scene. The acting seemed weird, but I guess that's because some of the dialogue already exists in the film. But that small exchange between Anakin and Obi-Wan about what to do was great.

by **Jordan** » October 20th 2005 8:53 pm

Is it safe to say that Jimmy Smits(as cool as he is in the actual film) pretty much killed what was a decent scene by the rest in Deleted Scene II?

You know, if Lucas would've just had Padme and Mon Mothma in the first two deleted scenes about the Rebellion, it would've worked. Natalie and Genvieve have a great chemistry together, especially in the second scene...interesting, I say.

by **ETandElliott** » October 20th 2005 8:54 pm

Palpatine trying to turn Anakin against Padme seems to be the only glimmer of hope in the Rebellion scenes.

by **Jordan** » October 20th 2005 8:56 pm

Hadn't watched that one yet but I like the one in Padme's Apartment if you just erase everyone but Natalie and Genvieve. Same with the scene in Bail's Office.

ET, do you think that scene just by itself would've worked if it was cut back into the film?

by **ETandElliott** » October 20th 2005 9:00 pm

No it wouldn't have. It would've needed the additional scenes to kind of explain what the Senators are doing.

It was still nice to see Fang Zar Owned.

by **Thundercracker** » October 20th 2005 9:01 pm

Ah, deleted scenes. Now this what I've been waiting for. Great job as always, thanks Faid and dp.

Nice to finally see that Shaak Ti scene considering that was the first spoilers with Grievous to surface if I remember correctly. Too bad they again left some stuff out of the deleted scenes just like with the AOTC scenes. Grievous' line about Shaak Ti's lightsaber being battleworn, and Obi-Wan fighting with the Super Battle Droids under the fuel just to name a couple details missing. Still cool overall.

by **Jordan** » October 20th 2005 9:09 pm

ET, you're right. That scene was good. And if you cut it back into the film after Anakin tells Padme to "make a motion in the Senate where that kind of request belongs", it could've added more.

But, you're right, you do need the other scenes to work.

I'm not knocking GL's decision to kill the scenes but after seeing them, he could've had one scene with Padme and Mon Mothma alone talking about things(basically combining the first two scenes) then doing the Delegation of 2000 scene later what do you think?

Boy, I feel bad for Natalie and Genvieve. They're both really good in those three scenes, especially Genvieve. She was perfect as Mon. I mean, she's real solid.

Damn, missed opportunity but given what's in the film now, I still think that the scenes should've gone.

One more rewrite and GL would've cracked it, I think.

As I stated in the previous post, I would've combined the first two scenes with only Padme and Mon then kept the Delegation of 2000 scene as is.

by **pika122689** » October 20th 2005 10:28 pm

Thanks for the scenes guys.

But really, THANK God those scenes were cut.. they were all pretty bad (not exactly terrible, but way under the quality of the final film of course), unlike the TPM and AOTC ones where some of the scenes were better than the ones in the actual movie. I'm especially sad to see the Yoda and Shaak Ti death pretty poorly done, at least in my opinion. Dagobah just didn't feel like Dagobah, and the CG was pretty sketchy in the animation, though it looks good in the screen shots.

The Shaak Ti scene dragged on. It didn't have a threatening feel to it but rather a "whoops there goes another Jedi" feel. And Anakin and Obi-Wan seemed rather uneffected of her death, and their little "signs" I liked, however was poorly done.

These were all cut for reasons I realize, glad to see them at least.

Wish they didn't feel so out of place unlike TPM's and AOTC's deleted scenes.

EDIT: Actually the Rebellion scenes are pretty alright, and I think could have been usable if some dialogue/acting was improved here and there, and Lucas's daughter was removed from that one scene.

by **ETandElliott** » October 20th 2005 10:30 pm

DarthFirst was right about the music in the scenes. Seems to be all old stuff.

by **Thundercracker** » October 20th 2005 10:44 pm

Yeah, seems to be. I'm glad they used more of the Grievous theme from track 1 on the ost in the Shaak Ti scene. I think only the first few bars of it were used in the movie when he enters the bridge.

by **SkyWard** » October 20th 2005 11:45 pm

Awesome! I knew I should hang out at MF more often.

by **Devil Dodo** » October 21st 2005 12:07 am

Thanks for the clips guys! :heavymetal:

My thoughts: These scenes are nothing special really... I'm glad they were all cut.

The Dagobah one is nice, but ultimately unneeded. The Shaak Ti/Fuel chamber sequence is a pretty bland scene really and a bad introduction to Grievous in my opinion. And the hand signal interaction between Anakin and Obi-Wan is awkward... though it does provide a nice moment to establish their friendship. But there's already enough of that in the opening sequence.

There's nothing really wrong with the three Rebellion scenes, but there's nothing particularly great about them either. They're just further backstory and are very slow, so I'm glad they're not in the finished film. They'd have dragged. Though it is great to see Mon Mothma again, and I've always like Bail. But the Afro man with the australian accent just doesn't fit, and George's daughter's one line is cringe-worthy.

The scene with Yoda, Mace and Obi Wan in the council chambers is pretty much the same as the scene with Mace in the war room. Nothing new really, except more Obi Wan...

Watching Yoda dance to hip hop music is just scary. Really scary. I'll leave it at that.

by **ETandElliott** » October 21st 2005 12:23 am

Devil Dodo wrote:But the Afro man with the australian accent just doesn't fit, and George's daughter's one line is cringe-worthy.

Nah, Afro Man made the scenes. But yeah, I really felt like smashing George's daughter's blueberry face in. Did anyone notice Yoda saying "Jadi" council in the chamber scene? I had no idea what the hell Bai Ling said and I still don't think I do.

I did like how Palpatine's attempts at turning Anakin against Padme sort of strengthened their scene on Mustafar in that it gave Anakin some motivation to "overthrow him."

by **pika122689** » October 21st 2005 1:09 am

The Yoda chamber scene I like. While I prefer the war room/tower scene in the movie, I like Yoda's look at the end. It makes him almost seem evil. :p I also like them talking about a shift in the force.

by **LylasBrother** » October 21st 2005 1:33 am

Cheers for posting these and I agree, the movie was better off without them, but they're still great to watch.

by **sithsooner** » October 21st 2005 4:54 am

I LOVE THIS SHIT!!! :heavymetal:

by **TiniTinyTony** » October 21st 2005 8:20 am

Yes! Wonderful! Thank you to those involved for bringing these videos to the internet.

As it has been said, we can all see why those scenes were deleted and the easter egg is lame, but will probably make a few people laugh.

Rick McCallum was right for once, the Yoda - Dagobah scene should have been left in the movie, and it gave me chills. I loved it.

by **MuK** » October 21st 2005 11:45 am

I thought the delgation scene could have stayed, or at least have been incorporated into the final cut in some other way. The beginnings of the rebellion and Bail mentioning the governers overseeing star systems, then in ANH with Tarkin confirming that the Old Republic is no more.

Plus the emphasis on the Chancellor making ammendment after ammendment.

Nothing too major, but it would have been pretty cool.

by **The Dark Shape** » October 21st 2005 12:42 pm

I'm really glad the Yoda/Dagobah scene is cut. My favorite moment in the movie -- and maybe the entire series -- is the slow pan over Padmé's body to the japor snippet, and then it irises to the Star Destroyer and Anakin's fate. I think it's kind of beautiful. The Yoda scene would've been inserted into the middle of that and ruined the moment.

by **hypertext** » October 21st 2005 9:02 pm

Thanks for the links! :heavymetal:

I can definately understand why some scenes were cut. However, I liked some of the exchanges between the (rebel) senators in their meetings and the whole palp scene, especially the dialoge between anakin and palp.

BTW- I had no problem viewing in real player, but you can't go wrong with VLC.

by **VizAg** » October 22nd 2005 12:14 am

Flippin sweet! Thanks Faid and DP! :bankheadbounce2:

by **MannyOrtez** » October 23rd 2005 4:20 pm

I've only watched the Shak Ti scene, saving the rest for Nov 1st. It's a decent scene, unfortunately it wouldn't really fit into the movie. The hand signals and accompanying banter between Obi and Anakin is probably the funniest thing in all of the prequels. I thought it was going to look really stupid, but seeing Ewan and Hayden do it, they actually pulled it off. I imagine some of those lines were adlibbed. Lucas doesn't do funny banter.

by **heels1785** » October 23rd 2005 5:06 pm

Yeah, I liked them too, have seen the first four.

The hand signals are awesome, but the death job by the actress who played Shaak Ti is a little unconvincing, as are the reactions by Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Really like the Palpatine confrontation scene, too, thanks for uploading these.

by **RageFist** » October 24th 2005 4:57 am

vantus77 wrote:Please anybody I am almost crazy!!!
That Megauploade dosent work for me!
Could anyone post some Yousendit link!
The most important is the Shaak Ti scene.
Thanks for everybody!!!!

Me know English.

Fuck off leech. :mad:

by **Pax Britannia** » October 24th 2005 5:02 pm

Me know English.

Fuck off leech.

Nice to see the spirit of charity still exists on these boards

by **ObiJuanQuito** » October 24th 2005 8:37 pm

by **Ternian** » October 26th 2005 6:14 am

A Stirring in the Senate = fucking rocks!
Why, oh, why was the good shit cut out of EpIII.

Mon Mothma and Padme rocked in that scene. :chewbacca:

The Delegation of 2000 scene is another good one - Palpatine totally understating Anakin and Amidala's relationship - creating mistrust - totally Sith like.

O Reilly Rocks!

However, the seeds of the Rebellion scene is better explained in Bail's office. This is just a double up of info. They could have added the Jedi's involvement into the Bail Office dialogue.

Shaak-Ti, Dagobah and Plot to destroy the Jedi should have all been cut.

by **MasterJed** » October 26th 2005 6:48 am

Seems to me like some of Portman's strongest scenes got the chop.

by **Ternian** » October 26th 2005 5:57 pm

Natalie was much more comfortable in this role.

by **obi_bear** » October 29th 2005 2:20 am

First, thanks to MF for once again making that Kessel Run and getting us this load of spice before the Imperials stopped you seriously, your efforts are always appreciated by this fan.

And now, here we are with some of the missing pieces to ROTS.

Deleted Scene 1: General Grievous Slaughters a Jedi

This is good for archival purposes a glimpse at the process from seeing the unfinished effects work to the alternative take on meeting Grevious. I find the version included in the film works better (athough it is creepy watching Grievous fondle Shaak Ti's horn before killing her). The whole fuel tank thing probably looked good on paper it just doesn't play. Good to see, but unnecessary.

Deleted Scene 2: A Stirring in the Senate

Ah, now we get to some good stuff. It is great to see Natalie work some more in these three scenes and seeing and hearing Mon Mothma wow, Ms. O'Reilly is amazing.

Deleted Scene 3: Seeds of Rebellion

I liked how we see a variety of human and aliens in these scenes of the various senators. Bai-Ling is lovely and again, Ms. O'Reilly is pitch-perfect as Mon Mothma. The other wonderful little moment in this one is as Padme makes her plea to talk to a jedi, we hear light strains of the classic force theme in the background a little subtle hint that the jedi in question may be Obi-Wan, not Anakin, that she wants to consult. Bought a smile to my face.

Deleted Scene 4: Confronting the Chancellor

Sundown on the senate wonderful shot of the main building. Another quick glimpse of Jar Jar and our first lingering look at a Mon Cal...I really liked the stiffness Padme displayed as the scene went on she really sensed the waste of time in bringing this to the chancellor...and it was capped off brilliantly with that withering glance at Anakin on the way out. I also liked the way that having Anakin there was a subtle jab at the others present...killing any chance Padme might have at convincing the delegation the the jedi might help. Finish it off with some more manipulation from Palps and you have the best scene of the three "senate" related ones.
Considering how short these were and how much they add to the story, I'm still surprised these got the ax especially considering how much Padme loses out by their deletion I'm just glad we see them here.

Deleted Scene 5: A Plot to Destroy the Jedi

An alternate take on information we get in an included scene. While it's good, the way it ended up in the film does seem a lot more dynamic. Understandable choice here.

Deleted Scene 6: Exiled to Dagobah

Nicely done, but again the rhythm Lucas has going with the film's conclusion works really well and while it's nice to see this from a fan's point of view, I understand it's deletion.

Good collection this time 'round. Again, thanks MF for giving us an early gift!

by **Ternian** » October 29th 2005 2:29 am

I think the plot behind Padme's working with the Jedi and Anakin's sense of betrayl as Palpatine plants seeds of deception into his mind was completely lost with axing these scenes. These explain why he clearly thinks Padme has betrayed him.

Its a shame.

by **MannyOrtez** » November 2nd 2005 8:24 pm

Ternian wrote:I think the plot behind Padme's working with the Jedi and Anakin's sense of betrayl as Palpatine plants seeds of deception into his mind was completely lost with axing these scenes. These explain why he clearly thinks Padme has betrayed him.

Its a shame.

All you really need is the Palpy-Padme confrontation scene. EIII is so much Anakin's story that what is really important in that scene is the final part of it, as you say, the seeds of deception.

As much as I love the PT, if I read the original screenplays, or see the deleted scenes, I can't help but think GL and Burtt were a little to scissor happy, and took for granted some important points in each of the three films. ROTS' editing by and large was really really good, but that scene is an example of something that was necessary.

by **thecolorsblend** » November 3rd 2005 12:58 am

MannyOrtez wrote:As much as I love the PT, if I read the original screenplays, or see the deleted scenes, I can't help but think GL and Burtt were a little to scissor happy, and took for granted some important points in each of the three films. ROTS' editing by and large was really really good, but that scene is an example of something that was necessary.

I love the PT too, but am somewhat disappointed with ROTS's editing. I felt like some scenes weren't given enough breathing room. The shot of Grievous exiting his ship on Utapau should've lingered a little bit longer on the Separatist leaders because they're the driving force of the war and, by proxy, Episode III. We needed to at least have seen them a little bit before Anakin went berseker on them. The mini-confrontation between Grievous and Nute Gunray is another example. Most of their dialog occurs when they're off-screen!!

Another one is Bail Organa departing Coruscant on the Tantive IV. It felt like a lot was missing from the scene (ie, the beginning and end of it).

Yet another one is Yoda dodging the laser blast on Kashyyyk. He's still dodging the blast halfway through the wipe-transition!!

Yes, I know we "get the message" for each scene and we have to move on to other things (which also contribute a feeling of urgency in the film), but the "extensions" I would've liked would add maybe 1 minute to ROTS's overall runtime. Just a little bit more space here and there.

These are small gripes, but I demand a lot from Star Wars (and I tend to get a lot) so there you go.

by **foxbatkllr** » November 5th 2005 2:30 pm

Having finally seen all the scenes, here is my take:

The scene with Shaak Ti is god awful. I am very glad it was cut.
The Rebellion scenes were sweet, but I see why they were cut. They definitely would've dragged the movie down and taken it away from the important storyline. They were also more "conference" scenes, which we don't need more of. It was nice to see Mon Mothma though. She did a great job. Some Star Wars fans could sit through a 4 hour movie. I can't. SW films are best when they are streamlined.
The scene with Obi/Mace/Yoda obviously needed to be cut. The reworked it, and it was just another "meeting/conference" scene. We don't need anymore of those.
The Dagobah scene was neat, but it seemed more like an easter egg than anything else. Like it was never intended to be in the movie. It would've disrupted the ending like GL says.

by **The Dark Shape** » November 5th 2005 3:59 pm

thecolorsblend wrote:Yet another one is Yoda dodging the laser blast on Kashyyyk. He's still dodging the blast halfway through the wipe-transition!!

Err, that was the point. It was supposed to be funny.

by **Ternian** » November 6th 2005 7:27 am

All you really need is the Palpy-Padme confrontation scene. EIII is so much Anakin's story that what is really important in that scene is the final part of it, as you say, the seeds of deception.

I still believe the rise of the Empire drives the Star Wars story, with Anakin's story driving the rise.

I think the second conference scene was semi-useless and could have been re-written better. Get rid of the useless Grievous plotline and you have more than enough room to flesh out Anakin AND Padme's storylines.

by **Jordan** » November 6th 2005 9:11 am

thecolorblends,

You hit on something that I've been thinking alot about. I think Episode III, as it sits now, is a very, very good film. But, there are a few scenes I would stretch out a bit.

Palpatine appointing Anakin to the Council: In the film, you see them walking toward the doorway and you can tell they've just finished talking. Well, in the script, we get the true reason why Palpatine appointed Anakin. As it sits in the film, it's just Palpatine beginning to drive that wedge between the Council and Anakin. A good move. But in the script, it's because Palpatine has very hard suspicions about the Council Granted, he tells Anakin this in the Opera Scene but I just like the opening dialogue to that scene. I think it would add maybe 45 seconds to the running time if you just condense the dialogue a bit.

Padme and Anakin on the Verandah: As it was scripted, they talk about the baby first then Padme congratulates him on his appointment. And then we get Anakin's frustration. Well, as you know, the film begins with a wide shot of Anakin clearly touching Padme's belly and they're having a light moment. That part in the script was always one of my favorites. And because we get that wide shot then cut right into Anakin's troubles, it feels unnatural.

The Opera Scene: The only thing I would add is this line: "And the Jedi point of view is not the only valid one." Othewise, a perfect scene.

Anakin and Padme in her apartment: As the scene ends, Anakin says "No, I promise you" in a very determined way. Padme adds this brilliant line; "You don't need more power Anakin. I believe you can protect me against anything, just as you are." That line killed me and it's a tragic line.

Organa on the Tantive IV: Yes, there was more to this brief scene in the corridor and I'm still tyring to figure out why Lucas cut it down like he did. I mean, it was really only two bits of dialogue before we get what we get in the film.

The Declaration of the Empire: After Padme says her liberty dies line, Bail tries to object to Padme but she stops him and says, "Not now! There will be another time."

That's really all I would add back in Episode III and that may add another 3 minutes at most. The cut does give the film urgency and it's definitely needed but he cut back just a bit too much. While all the scenes at the end are given room to breath, others in the second act aren't.

Still on the whole, Sith works absolutely fine the way it is. These are just little bits I found to be nice that would add even greater depth to the story.

by **MannyOrtez** » November 6th 2005 9:57 pm

Jordan wrote:thecolorblends,

You hit on something that I've been thinking alot about. I think Episode III, as it sits now, is a very, very good film. But, there are a few scenes I would stretch out a bit.

I actually like how the scenes in ROTS started as late as possible and ended as early as possible. That's how it should be. There are too many scenes in EI and EII where we have to sit through "introductions", if you know what I mean. EIII just got to the meat.

On the documentaries...

As much as I loved the Within a Minute doc, I can't help but feel it wasn't enough. I wish the Chosen One documentary had been 60-90 mins, not 15. That's what EIII is about.

by **ETandElliott** » November 6th 2005 10:03 pm

Within A Minute just pissed me off when you saw Ben Burtt trying to drown out the film's music with sound effects, pissing that other guy off.

by **MannyOrtez** » November 6th 2005 11:27 pm

ETAndElliot4Ever wrote:Within A Minute just pissed me off when you saw Ben Burtt trying to drown out the film's music with sound effects, pissing that other guy off.

I was thinking about starting an entire thread devoted to how much that pissed me off before thinking better. I know we should feel greatly indebted to Ben Burtt for his sound work, but I still think he deserves to get punched in the head.

That Ken dude was exactly right about the music. The music is so much more important than the sound effects, Burtt's got to know his role. I think the music won out in ROTS, thank god. The final scene in AOTC, in addition to having lifted music from TPM, is so drowned out by effects that the scene is just clunky. How does Ben Burtt get away with these atrocities....

by **DoubleSith** » November 7th 2005 10:49 am

Agreed. However, the final responsibility lies with GL. Now that Ben has left LFL, hopefully we'll get remixes for the inevitable box set.

by **MannyOrtez** » November 7th 2005 1:34 pm

DoubleSith wrote:Agreed. However, the final responsibility lies with GL. Now that Ben has left LFL, hopefully we'll get remixes for the inevitable box set.

True, I am always surprised that GL lets Burtt get away with that kind of crap. I wouldn't go so far to say that Burtt has "ruined" scenes with the level of effects being far up from what it should be, but he's come close(ie, arena + Clone Wars battle). Even The Duel, which I would without hesitation call the best scene in the saga, at times the effects are just too damn loud.

Go back and watch the OT, and you'll see, you are never cognizant of the effects, they are there, but they don't draw attention to themselves. Somehow, by the time the PT rolls around, both Burtt and GL are OK with loud ass affects. Guess it's just the trend in movies.

by **Raveers** » November 7th 2005 11:06 pm

Just as an FYI, in interviews with Williams that I had read before he said that he did not score any music for most of the Geonosis battle scenes. I think at the time AOTC was scored they weren't totally finished with those. Just like with the tracked music in ROTS, they had all ready planned on having those scenes with tracked music and not new music.

by **MannyOrtez** » November 8th 2005 2:26 am

Raveers wrote:Just as an FYI, in interviews with Williams that I had read before he said that he did not score any music for most of the Geonosis battle scenes. I think at the time AOTC was scored they weren't totally finished with those. Just like with the tracked music in ROTS, they had all ready planned on having those scenes with tracked music and not new music.

Doesn't make it less of an atrocity, does it?

Ternian -

Forgot to respond to your post. I agree, the middle of the 3 Rebel Alliance scenes is by far the weakest.

I don't want to get into my problems with the editing in the PT, b/c obviously, I loved the films. I know you did not have the same reaction as I did, but these movies still worked for me. There is no doubt, that for example, AOTC's love story couldve worked better had those family scenes been in there, but yes, it still works. I remember you mentioning in another thread long ago Padme's look in the scene where her sister and mom are talking to her, this look where we realize, oh, yeah, I guess she wants Anakin. It's an important moment, and Lucas just chops it out, taking it for granted that we should probably clearly estbalish Padme's feelings for Anakin before proceeding with the love story. Does the story work without that? Yes, not as well, but yes.

And to me, ultimately, ROTS works beautifully. Everyone I know thought it was either the best or second best Star Wars. And I concur. Yes, those Senate scenes could go in there, but I spose I shouldn't dwell upon it.

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