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It's not a flop. A flop is a movie that doesn't make its budget back. Town & Country (budget: $90 million | gross: $6 million) and The Adventures of Pluto Nash (budget: $100 million | gross: $4 million) are flops. A movie that doubles its production budget worldwide is not a flop. But let's work with what you presented. I work with box office quite a bit, so obviously I know about the "studios don't get everything!" factor. The rule of thumb is that studios get roughly 55% of the gross.

So we'll use Kong's $207 million budget, and then maybe $100 million in marketing (which is absurdly high, but we'll use it). That's $307 million against a worldwide gross of $547 million. In the end, Universal made $300 million cash, a loss of $7 million. But since you're the expert, you obviously know movies nowadays are more meant to break even at the worldwide box office, and then profit on DVD. King Kong sold 6.5 million units its first week, which is something like $113 million (War of the Worlds sold 6.4 million discs last year, and that's its gross on the format -- it's a fair comparison).

Let's just assume then that Kong is pulled from the market. No more discount theaters or DVD sales. Universal then has made $106 million in pure profit. If you call that a flop, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, or are more likely just incredibly bias against the film and/or Peter Jackson.


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Variety says a movie must make 2.5 times its production and marketing in order to break even, I've read in some places it must make THREE times. (The studio getting 55% is a high estimate)

So the fact is, Kong probably has NOT broken even yet, it certainly did not out of the box office, thats for damn sure.

And again, the $113 million it has made on DVD is not pure profit.

Not to mention the entire point of my post was that even if it did profit - it wasn't the profit that was expected. Flop = a disappointment. The fact that a movie like King Kong has to rely on DVD to justify its existence makes it a flop. And I'll say whatever the fuck I want about Peter Jackson, I'm on a Star Wars board, I actually like LOTR, and I actually think he's a decent director, he's just hugely overrated.


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I'll just say that the vast majority of people I know think that the LOTR movies were far superior to the prequels, and some of them are big Star Wars fans. In fact, I can't think of anyone I know that would prefer to watch TPM over a LOTR movie.


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