Wolverine Origins Reviews

[Hade]

A workprint of the movie has leaked!

The word came from IMDB, I believe. SHH has a thread on it. Wolverine Workprint leaked!

[darthpsychotic]

It is real: http://www.mininova.org/search/wolverine/4

[Hade]

Screenshot.




I'm still going to go see it a couple of times because I'm a big Jackman fan. However, this has to hurt its box office. For a good quality workprint to leak a month early, I mean, this isn't a first weekend cam where the movie at least gets its initial weekend take.

This is bad. My hope now is that it is good and people then want to see it in theaters.

[darthpsychotic]

[Hade]

Some of the things being said:

Real
Still pre-production looking in spots
Has some scenes not fully developed
Surprisingly good quality
Fx not complete - obviously
Temp scored
Seems to use X3 credits at the end

[hr]
No word yet as to whether the movie itself is any good. I haven't watched it yet. Been jumping around with the file. I figure I'll probably burn a DVD copy tonight while I sleep.

[darthpsychotic]

www.slashfilm.com /x-men-origins-wolverine-workprint-leaked-online/

[hr]
[Update: According to Carlyle (AKA Massawyrm) at Spill.com, the version of the film that's leaked online is most likely an older version that hasn't yet integrated the new material from Hood's recent reshoots.]

Gavin Hood’s X-Men Origins: Wolverine is currently slated for a May 1, 2009 release date in the U.S., but unfortunately, it looks like a few people might be getting their hands on the film a bit earlier than intended. Reports are pouring in that a full-length, DVD-quality workprint of the film has been leaked onto the internet and is quietly making its way across various bittorrent sites and other unsavory online venues. According to Drew McWeeny at HitFix, who has evidently seen parts of the video file, the copy is “near-finished…marred only by a few unfinished FX shots.” In addition, “there’s no timecode, no watermark…nothing. It’s a clean, perfect copy.”

This is perhaps the biggest leak for a major tentpole release in recent memory. Leaving aside the well-known phenomenon of Oscar screener leaks, workprint leaks have certainly happened in the past. For example, Eli Roth’s Hostel 2 leaked onto the internet several weeks before its release (in that situation, Roth was furious and blamed the leak for the film’s weak box office performance). Other films such as Rob Zombie’s Halloween and Michael Moore’s Sicko also experienced similar issue. However, those films were all relatively small compared to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, a film which 20th Century Fox was probably betting on to help revive its recent lackluster box office performance.

The film’s production has already been plagued by bad buzz, and with a fairly pristine copy of the film floating around for consumption by the very audience the film is targeted at, it will all probably combine to have a dramatic and negative impact on this film’s opening and overall box office performance.

[hr]

I just watched the workprint. The worst thing about this movie is Deadpool.

[Hade]

Could be the case. I did hear they were shooting some pickups just a couple of months ago.

CHUD has a story about the leak: How Did X-Men Origins: Wolverine Get Leaked On The Internet?

SHH Boards just went down. Everybody must be swarming the place. It's strange though because they have a new rule over there about passing around any pirated material. They don't want anybody to do it - even through PMs.

[Joe1138]

CHUD has a story about the leak: How Did X-Men Origins: Wolverine Get Leaked On The Internet?

"Studios can keep being worried about someone sneaking a Flip camcorder into a press screening, but the real problem is right in their own system. So far they've been amazingly lucky, but how long can that luck hold out?"

It'll be interesting to see the fallout (if any) this leak will engender.

[bearvomit]

there's a 700 mb xvid file at Demonoid that I'm downloading now. Remember WATCHMEN everyone and seed this mother into the ground! This is PAYBACK for even ATTEMPTING to derail a crappy comic movie just for money. Fox fuckers! how's it feel Fox?!!??! How's IT FEEL!!!!

[CoGro]

The worst thing about this movie is Deadpool.

I don't know why people think raunch teen comedy actors make good action heroes.

[Raveers]

Wow a workprint has leaked all ready? Please tell me this isn't some April Fools shit. If this is real I'll download this later today.

[bearvomit]

what a shitty movie. I don't see how some finished effects will save this one. [spoil][align=left] Deadpool was turned into a amalgamation of other mutants in the end and even had Cyclops eye beams! And they completely removed his mouth So it ends with Wolvie losing his memory due to an adamantium bullet in the head so he takes off to Japan. I don't see there being a sequel after this one hits. [/align] [/spoil]

[Hokusai]

isnt he a smart ass in the comics?

[bearvomit]

yeah, he's suppose to be. he is a little bit in this while he's still "normal". But then they completely removed his mouth, like not even lips! retarded. Fox just sent this little letter over to AICN:

Last night, a stolen, incomplete and early version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was posted illegally on websites. It was without many effects and had missing scenes and temporary sound and music. We immediately contacted the appropriate legal authorities and had it removed. We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts and the last person who committed such a crime is still in jail. The FBI and the MPAA also are actively investigating this crime. We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning piracy and this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film.

Fox, shitfire.

[darthpsychotic]

Animated Gif of Agent Zero: woo.gif

[bearvomit]

Why is MARVEL allowing their characters to be this way?

Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghostrider and now Wolverine all suck.

I'm pretty sure Marvel has some writers who could do justice to their own fucking characters. Hire Chris Claremont, he created half these fucking characters anyways. He wrote the Dark Phoenix saga and Days of Future Past. Hell, he could surely write a wolverine movie.

[darthpsychotic]

Who would have thought 10 years ago when The Phantom Menace hit would we see it return to the theaters 10 years later.

The heroes meet Darth Maul for the final showdown:



Obi-Wan behind Darth Maul just before cutting him in half:



Both parts of Darth Maul fall down the chasm:

[Hade]

[align=center]:siren:

X-Men Origins: Wolverine • David Benioff Second Draft • Script Leak • June 6, 2006

Wolverine

by David Benioff

Current revisions by David Ayer (6/1/06)[/align]

Not such a big deal now that we have the workprint, however, I figured I’d put it up. I'm pretty sure that this thing underwent a second revision utilizing a third writer. Despite that, I figure it gives us a very sizable chuck of accurate information as well as something to compare and contrast with the workprint.



MediaFire X-Men Origins: Wolverine Script (Second Draft)
SendSpace X-Men Origins: Wolverine Script (Second Draft)

[bearvomit]

We all had hopes of this thing kicking ass, being Wolverine and all, but it doesn't. Take the helicopter scene for example. Wolve launches off a Humvee and flies through the air, slicing the blades off the copter and digs in the side with his claws.

The helicopter crashes, rolls, and explodes.



Dude, you allright? That was wicked how you blew up and flipped all around but you're ok now. oh what, I've got a call?


Yo, yeah I'm coming for ya, and I'm pissed as FUCK now.


Take that asian dude. Double blow-up.


You're still blowing up asian dude. That's some serious exploding you're doing.


FUCK yeah. You're still blowing up.



I wish I had a magic bullet that would make me forget I watched this movie!

[darthpsychotic]

I enjoyed Wolverine Origins save for the Deadpool aspect. The Deadpool character starts out as Wade Wilson and ends up as a zombie character with DNA imbedded powers taken from kidnapped mutants such as Cyclops and Wolverine. That's in addition to having arm-mounted, retractable samurai sword blades in Deadpool's forearms. Sabretooth and Wolverine both have to set aside their differences and team up - thats right team-up to defeat Weapon XI.

While this post and my previous post above intentionally spoils Deadpool there is quite a bit that has yet to be spoiled including cameos and a during the end credits scence and a scene after the credits which sets up a sequel (of which obviously doesn't look too good right now). One needs to know about the Deadpool character before going in.

[Hade]

Yeah, I'm not too happy with what I'm seeing.

I just don't understand why writers are hired when they seem to know little to nothing about the source material.

It's like Abrams with Star Trek. He told Paramount that he isn't a Star Trek fan and yet they still hire him. True, he's not the guy writing the script, but as the director he has absolutely no knowledge as to how these iconic charcters should come across.

It's a fucking joke.

and why is MARVEL allowing their characters to be assfucked this way??! Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghostrider and now Wolverine all suck. I'm pretty sure Marvel has some writers who could do justice to their own fucking characters. Hire Chris Claremont, he created half these fucking characters anyways. He wrote the Dark Phoenix saga and Days of Future Past. Hell, he could surely write a wolverine movie.

I agree. I don't understand why it isn't done. Also, most of the Wolverine sequel talk was looking to the Claremont 1982 min-series. Why not let Claremont write this one in order to connect the storyline that moves toward a sequel based on his work?

Either that or bring in Bendis who wrote the Weapon X storyline from Marvel Comics Presents, or bring in Jenkins from Wolverine Origins (which they clearly borrowed from with the age, bone claws, etc.) and that's fine too. Even two of the three would probably be cheaper than Benioff, a guy who has some status as a writer in terms of what you'd have to pay him.

And it looks like they had to pay three writers anyway with the Benioff draft and two polishes. I know some would say that they are just "comic book writers", but give'em a chance. Can it be any worse?

[darthpsychotic]

FYI: One of us here works for FOX. Some related comments are being edited and removed until I hear back from them. Obviously since this is MF it's ok to talk about having the workprint it's just that we don't distribute it

[CoGro]

I'm 72 minutes in before the mega vid crapped out.

It's very much a B-movie. The script is very formulaic and mostly uninteresting. Jackman is too big for this movie.

[Hade]

I'm conflicted. I do feel bad for Hugh. Seems like a good dude.

However, isn't he a producer on this thing? He couldn't see the problems with the script? I mean, he's played the character three times before. Read the Origins TPB. Read the Bendis Weapon X TPB. Read a few X-Men issues. Know the material. No need to copy it word for word. Use it as a guide, a jumping off point. How hard is that?

And Hood just seems out of his element. All the hype about him directing doesn't seem justified. But I'll reserve judgment on him until we can get the facts about how much Rothman fucked with the project.

[CoGro]

It's just a very standard hollywood piece of crap. I'm fine with these types of shitty movies once in a while, it just doesn't do the material justice and it insults the fan base. It dumbs it all down for the average retard so they can get their kicks seeing things go boom and watching a couple flashy special effects.

The directing is amateur and uninteresting. It's not an interesting film to watch. It has some funnish moments but it's mostly forgettable.

Disappointing for sure. Singer should have never left this project.

[Longtime_Sunshine]

Wow. The rise and fall of the X-Men franchise.

[Obi-Wan Starkiller]

Nah, it tripped with X3. This is like breaking its neck when it hits the floor.

[bearvomit]

FYI: One of us here works for FOX. Some related comments are being edited and removed until I hear back from them. Obviously since this is MF it's ok to talk about having the workprint it's just that we don't distribute it

Ha! That's pretty funny. So which one of "us" works for Fox? We know it's not that douchebag Troy, j/k Troy.

Isn't there suppose to be a Halle Berry cameo in this thing? I must have missed her, where she at?

Fox news is running damage cleanup here: Fox News

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Right now, my "cousins" at 20th Century Fox are probably having apoplexy. I doubt anyone else has seen this film. But everyone can relax. I am, in fact, amazed about how great "Wolverine" turned out. It exceeds expectations at every turn. I was completely riveted to my desk chair in front of my computer.

I don’t know what the really big headline is here: the fact that "Wolverine" is so good, or that I also found the current top 10 movies in theaters, as well as a turgid domestic drama called "Fireflies in the Garden" with Ryan Reynolds and Julia Roberts — the latter in a minor role while her husband, Danny Moder, is credited as director of photography.

I did find the whole top 10, plus TV shows, commercials, videos, everything, all streaming away. It took really less than seconds to start playing it all right onto my computer. I could have downloaded all of it but really, who has the time or the room? Later tonight I may finally catch up with Paul Rudd in "I Love You, Man." It’s so much easier than going out in the rain!

But back to "Wolverine": this is the prequel to the first "X Men" movie. Directed by Gavin Hood, the film is as cutting edge as it is old fashioned. This may be the big blockbuster film of 2009, and one we really need right now. It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight," and tremendously more emotional. Hood simply did an excellent job bringing Wolverine’s early life to the screen.

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[Raveers]

I've really been holding myself back on downloading this. I really want to see it (the finished version) in theaters and I may just wait for that.

[Joe1138]

and why is MARVEL allowing their characters to be assfucked this way??! Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Ghostrider and now Wolverine all suck. I'm pretty sure Marvel has some writers who could do justice to their own fucking characters. Hire Chris Claremont, he created half these fucking characters anyways. He wrote the Dark Phoenix saga and Days of Future Past. Hell, he could surely write a wolverine movie.

I agree. I don't understand why it isn't done. Also, most of the Wolverine sequel talk was looking to the Claremont 1982 min-series. Why not let Claremont write this one in order to connect the storyline that moves toward a sequel based on his work?

I think Frank Miller's work on "The Spirit" proved that screenwriting and writing for the page are two different beasts. And that was an independent film where the writer/directer had full creative control on the project from what I understand.

In any case, I'm with the consensus on this particular cut. 15 minutes of pickups may make all the difference in the world though. I'm really pulling for Gavin Hood and hope both he and Jackman come out of this thing unscathed.

[Benovite]

I thought it was pretty good. It moves good and fast and tells a decent story of how Wolverine came to be. There are some "oh come on" moments, but those are few. More importantly it's got a lot of "oh shit!" moments. The action and fights are really good. Considering this is a WIP that's pretty respectable. All the mutant characters are unique and interesting, and when it gets to the holding cell scenes some are pretty scary. It's also hits the right tone in terms of drama in a lot of parts.

Wade/Deadpool isn't in it very much, although that could change in the final cut. Victor/Sabertooth is all over this mutha- and that's a good thing. Leiv plays his character right and the movie does his character justice in terms of the story. Stryker is a bastard, wonderfully played too.

But above all, I get a good sense of Logan's background and where he came from. Since that's what this movie is trying to do with his origin story then I think it succeeds. And towards the end I can see how his character changes from the Logan of 'origins' to the Wolverine of the X-Men.

Oh and also I liked the writing. It's smart, witty and not overly complicated.

So a surprising thumbs up from me since I didn't think I would like it as much I did. They would have to do something pretty bad with the final cut to fuck it up- which is entirely possible. But if the final cut is even better than the WIP then that's a bonus.

Is it a big dumb Summer flick? Sure. But is it a GOOD big dumb Summer flick? Yes.

[bearvomit]

new info about the leak from AICN

Hey folks, Harry here... Wow - didn't see this one coming! Moriarty just rang me up spitting and pissing mad about this scenario. You see, the very real and transparent shill, Roger Friedman of FOX NEWS, has written a piece where he talks about downloading and watching a 95% finished WOLVERINE - which apparently nobody else in the world has seen. Ahem. He goes on to declare, "It’s miles easier to understand than "The Dark Knight," and tremendously more emotional." and "I am, in fact, amazed about how great "Wolverine" turned out. It exceeds expectations at every turn." and even goes so far as to say he was going to download and catch up with Paramount's "I LOVE YOU, MAN" next because it was so much easier than going out in the rain.

Now - What's interesting about all of this is that FOX has a very rigid history on pursuing employees that brazenly break the rules. Like when they went after Memflix for reviewing one of their films on AICN - and got him fired. How is this situation any different FOX?

I mean, if FOX doesn't go after Roger Friedman - aren't they basically telling the entire world... It's ok?

I understand that this is damage control - the overwhelming word of mouth from this print is wretched. I've heard from fans that what they do to Ryan Reynolds' DEADPOOL is so abhorrent, that they wanted to know exactly who was responsible so they could KILL them. It was a jocular bit of hyperbole, I assure you - but the emotion was solid and real. They were pissed. I've seen fans declare, "Worse than X3" and I've seen them say, "Slightly better than X3".

Fox needed Positive word of mouth.

Now - I've been talking to John Palermo, one of the producers on the film - ever since this story broke. The word I've gotten is that the print you can see online is several months old - and is in fact the version of the film that drove FOX to spend untold millions on a couple of weeks of additional shoots. That things have been edited out and that even with that - the film now runs 20 minutes longer than that which you see online. That there was stuff they didn't like and they took aggressive and costly steps to correct that.

If they wanted Roger to write a piece to fluff up WOLVERINE - why not show him the real version of the film?

Part of the reason that I decided not to run reviews on AICN of WOLVERINE based on the work print was the knowledge that this is a 3-4 month old print - that had 2-3 weeks of reshoots and millions of work put into it to make it better, because they were not happy with that version. The only point in seeing that workprint is as a comparison to the finished version, to see the process in which the Producers and Director and Studio went through to try and make WOLVERINE as good as it could be.

It's also why I don't run script reviews after the test screening process, what's the point? Beyond the moral issues - it is old information. Script reviews when the script breaks prior to or during filming? Fair game. Test Screenings provide information on the state of the film in question - the day & night in which they screened it. But what is online is a snapshot from months ago of a film with reportedly dire issues, which they allegedly took fairly intense steps to correct.

And I did the right thing of discussing this with the producers and that is the proper way to follow up this kind of story.

But having Fox shill Roger Friedman tell everyone about this great new way to see movies for free at your home - and how all 10 of the top Box Office films right now can be seen comfortably and happily in your home, well that's criminally irresponsible and if I were FOX - Roger Friedman would be joining millions of Americans that have lost their jobs - only this time - it would be deservedly lost.

maybe so, but in all the new trailers, you still see a quick flash of Deadpool with Cyclops laser eyes. So whatever they fixed, they didn't fix the shitty parts.

[CoGro]

Seriously, 90 percent of the audience that will see this film doesn't know who the hell Deadpool is. All they want is an entertaining summer action flick and it's a bonus if the movie happens to be 'good' by a reasonable person's standard.

I will see the film in theatres, no doubt, as it remains to be seen how the final film will turn out.

[Chostomo]

We already know the Special effects will be ok, but they are really gonna have to puul out a decent score for the movie to carry it in the lame parts. I'm not gonna waste much time elaborating on Deadpool, i just hated his whole involvement in the film.

As far as wolverine origin story, i liked it. I think if we see X-1 & X-2 now, we'll enjoy them more than before. Liked the bone claws, liked the victor-logan bond, the whole real father issue. IMHO, Liev did a terrific job as Sabertooth. He nailed it down. I think it would make more sense to replace X-1 Sabertooth with Liev, than the Hayden Christensen Anakin spirit in ROTJ.

It's gonna be interesting to see how the final cut turns out after ths mess.


"Wolverine" Leak Controversy Flares Anew (yahoo.com)

Ok, please tell me the final version will be longer and better, 'cause if it's close to the shit we saw then we have a new winner for the "Worst Summer Movie 2009" MF poll

[bearvomit]

theatrical version has been seen and it's IDENTICAL to the workprint other than a few quick scenes!

AICN

Sometimes there are clauses prohibiting us from writing about a movie before a certain date ("embargo"). But this was different: we had to sign a clause that we wouldn't even TALK about the movie until two days prior to its US release, especially on the web. I found that quite odd.

Add to that recent reports that the finished version is as long as the leaked workprint, even though FOX stubbornly insists that the workprint is missing the material from the reshoots. It makes sense, too, as the trailers have scenes that are not featured in the workprint (Wolverine carrying his girlfriend to the beach, a young Ororo in Nigeria).

Well, having seen the finished film, the mystery is solved: the workprint version IS in fact identical to the release print, sans effect and some audio work. It's obvious that FOX is trying their darndest to keep this news from getting out, because it will eliminate most of the motivation for people who have seen the workprint to pay for a ticket.

Some scenes from the trailer are not in the finished version, either.

The finished effects are lackluster, to say the least - some really bad CGI work made me groan numerous times (especially, but not restricted to, Patrick Stewart's cameo). The scene with Stewart looks so much better in the workprint - trying to digitally de-age him did NOT work this time around...

Good pacing, good lead performances, and some cool comic book fights overcome a non-existing story, horrible dialog (including the classic "I'm so cold..."), and criminally underdeveloped characters. It's a fun flick, but it will never be considered one of the great comic book movies of our time (like Iron Man, Dark Knight, Watchmen, etc.). They also have to jump through some ridiculous hoops to reset all the relationships to properly connect it to the first "X-Men" movie (unnecessary, I think - who seriously gives a shit?).

[Raveers]

Well I can happily say I never downloaded the workprint, in fact I purposefully resisted as I want to wait to see the film itself in theaters. So I am sure I will end up enjoying the film.

[Hade]

theatrical version has been seen and it's IDENTICAL to the workprint other than a few quick scenes!

God, that fucking Rothman is a douchebag. I have no idea how that guy keeps his job. He must suck a cock like nobody's business.

For what it's worth, Apple Trailers has put up the Comic-Con footage as a sort of third trailer. However, they removed the "goddamn" line at the end. http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/wolverine/

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[Benovite]

I still think the Comic Con teaser is the best one, even though the Apple version linked above is a bit different in a few other ways than just the removal of 'goddamn'(for example Wolverine digging his claws into the ground to turn his bike around is shortened).

I don't know if there's any blame that it should be levelled against Rothman. Personally I think that we've been oversaturated with Wolverine over the years and unless it's 1) a new actor portraying him as an adult/proper reboot and 2) we really get a raw, savage[more berzerker stylee] and cooler depiction of him(the hair?) then it'll be the same old Hugh Jackman movie.

[bearvomit]

reviews are coming in and it's a stinker. 37% at rotten tomatoes. hey, around what time does Patrick Stewart appear? I seem to have missed him somewhere.

[Cryostar]

At the very end, before gambit finds Logan.

[Chostomo]

so, has anybody here seen it already? (in theaters, that is)

Anything new? as shittier as the leaked WP?

[Maveritchell]

so, has anybody here seen it already? (in theaters, that is)

Anything new? as shittier as the leaked WP?

I saw it a couple days ago but can't give a comparison against the workprint. I enjoyed it; it was brainless but fun, the only things that got my goat were perhaps the contrived amnesia ending and post-mutant-XI Deadpool.

Mine may not be the best word to take, though, I don't have many rating categories besides "entertaining" or "waste of $8." This fell into the former category.

[bearvomit]

there's apparently an after credits alternate ending involving Deadpool. anyone see this version and care to elaborate?

[jmkb44]

The 2 endings I saw were complete waste of time. There was a scene of Stryker getting picked up by some MP's, and of Logan sittng at a bar drinking to remember his past. A majority of the crowd stayed for the extra scenes, and once the second one played out, there was a collective groan of lameness for what was witnessed by the 2 scenes. As for the movie itself, it was closer to X3 to me, watchable but not great. I did not see the work print, so I had nothing to compare it to.

It is never a good sign when a majority of people walking out are talking about the Transformers and T-4 trailers then the movie.

[Obi-Wan Starkiller]

Instead of watching the shit-fest I decided to watch X2 on Bluray. It is almost too difficult to watch something so amazing without thinking of how badly Fox fucked it up later.

[CoGro]

I saw it last night. Having also seen a good chunk of the work print, I wasn't going to be surprised by anything I saw on screen; especially because the two are absolutely identical aside from the addition of a forgettable score and mediocre visual effects.

It's not even worth writing a review but I will say this: Fox ass-fucked the franchise once they let Brian Singer go. Period. End of story. X3 was lame at best and a devastating blow to the franchise and its fans at worst. This film is worse than X3. That's not an opinion either - that's a fact. In just about any way you can critique a film, summer blockbuster and superhero adaptation this film is worse. Jackman really tries to care about the character and the story, but the script is so terrible, so...I can't even find the word...that it only serves as definitive proof that Hollywood cares so little about quality, especially when it comes to its slam-dunk franchises (though this film might effectively undo X-men from holding that status), that it would green-light this project with that kind of script.

If you liked this movie for 'escapist fun' or 'solid action' then your standards are terribly low. The set pieces aren't interesting at all, the action isn't good, and the story isn't good by any measure. The movie had a handful of moments worth putting to film, but they don't last a combined 2 minutes. This movie would have better served as a stand-alone trailer in that sense because there's nothing beyond that worth paying for.

Good luck making Magneto after this film rightfully bombs. The X-men franchise was simply destroyed by a movie that could have and SHOULD have saved it. How you could botch a film focussed on the most popular and storied character in series lore is unforgivable. I'm not even a die-hard and I'm pissed off. The die-hards simply won't forget it.

[Obi-Wan Starkiller]

I don't want to see another origin story. Not of individual characters anyway. Let 5 years pass, Marvel get the rights back and start over from scratch.

[Raveers]

Well a lot of people seem to like it because so far it's made $87 million for it's opening weekend, which is pretty good. I just think a lot of you guys here are too hard on films like this.

[CoGro]

money does not = quality; especially on opening weekend for a popular franchise for the first blockbuster of the summer.

Fantastic Four thinks this movie sucked.

[Obi-Wan Starkiller]

Hell I can put a list together of movies that made $87 million. We'll see how many of them are actually good. Since when does spending money make something good? Forget the fact that Fox lied about the finished product being totally different than the workprint just to get ass in seat this weekend. No, no. The vast majority of comic book movies aren't up to snuff. And it isn't just me being "hard" on a movie.