Sequel Trilogy • Title Speculation Station

[Bandersnatch]

Yes, this is way premature, but I've been wondering what the titles might end up being for Episodes 7, 8 and 9.

Here's my first stab, even though we have no idea what the movies will be about:

Episode VII - The New Republic (or maybe "A New Order")
Episode VIII - (some sort of actionable title, i.e. "attack" or "strikes", but involving a new threat or entity)
Episode IX - Balance of the Force

[Alexrd]

They just need to follow the previous trilogies' rules:

The first title has 3 words, and refers to something abstract and/or elusive.
The second title has 4 words and needs to show some sort of eminent conflict.
The third title has 4 words aswell, but is much harder than the previous ones since both monastic orders (Sith and Jedi) have been mentioned already on each trilogy. I think the only requirenment is that it needs to mention one of the core factions of that same trilogy.

[Bandersnatch]

^True. And it occurred to me that The Force is never mentioned in the title of any of the films, so perhaps the finale episode (if 9 is in fact the final episode) might include it.

[Emperor's Prize]

Yeah, but why force the issue?

[TroyObliX]

Good one.

I hope they play things far less safe than Lucas. I'd like to see the panoramic, full frame glory of Star Wars encompass things that are far more drastic.

They should call it Episode VII: When Hope Fails or something otherwise as gloomy.

[SI]

EpXII - Dark of the....that's no moon!
EpXIII - Imperials Assemble (we're back!)
EpIX - Maxi big da force

I couldn't come up with one decent title that wasn't half lame.

[Bandersnatch]

^That's why I kept my Episode VIII title as vague as humanly possible. Anything else I thought of sounded queer.

[cantina_patron]

I hope it's not Lucas who comes up with the titles. The PT titles weren't exactly inspiring (except ROTS, which is a reversal of the Revenge of the Jedi anyway).

[Alexrd]

I hope it's not Lucas who comes up with the titles. The PT titles weren't exactly inspiring (except ROTS, which is a reversal of the Revenge of the Jedi anyway).

I don't see how the PT titles were less inspiring than the ones from the OT. They follow the same logic.

[cantina_patron]

Logic, yes, but Phantom Menace is kind of blah while Attack of the Clones too cheesy (and not in a cool way, like Empire Strikes Back).

[Mike_Droideka]

They're all cheesy, you're just blinded by nostalgia; a most powerful opiate!

[Inv8r]

Come on...The Phantom Menace is no worse the A New Hope.

[cantina_patron]

it didn't go out under that title

[Joe1138]

I've been thinking about this too. I'd like to see them buck the trend in titles we've seen until now, if only to further distance this set of films from Lucas's. That said, I am totally down for Star Wars Episode VII: Boba Fett.

[Bandersnatch]

I'm all for a Boba Fett or Bounty Hunters series later on, but I have a hard time imagining they would want to base Star Wars Episode VII on a minor supporting character's magical escape from a Giant Sand Rectum. As a sub-plot, maybe. But the whole story? No.

[Joe1138]

Yeah I was just making light of Kevin Smith's comments about an all Boba Fett movie:

"If Disney wants to make another cool billion dollars like it did with The Avengers last summer, all it needs to do is make a Boba Fett time-travel flick. It would center on a character everyone digs and allow for a greatest hits of Star Wars while playing with an already-established timeline, a la Back to the Future. You could use every living (and dead) actor from the previous Star Wars films, no matter what their age -- which means Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford can come and play as well. It'd be a dream come true for any Star Wars fan -- particularly those of us who opted out of the boring-ass real world every summer for galaxies far, far away."
"So in a world where Disney needs to make back its investment, we may indeed see an all-Boba Fett film. And if the Force wills it, maybe it'll even be about Boba Fett lost in the Star Wars universe time stream. But even if it became the highest-grossing film of all time, it'd still never be as good as Pete King's version."

http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/kevin- ... fett-plea/

I actually hope they don't address Boba Fett in the new trilogy and save him for a post-sequel stand alone flick. TCM re-aired The Good, The Bad and The Ugly last night and as I was watching it I kept thinking how amazing it would be to plug Fett and some of the other bounty hunters into that kind of film.

[Bandersnatch]

Ah! I had missed that Kevin Smith comment.

I agree, a spaghetti western-style Star Wars Bounty Hunter story would be pretty cool between Episodes III & IV.

[CoGro]

Episode VII: Rise of the Revenge

[Cryostar]

Surely you jest. You know it's going to be Episode VII: Revenge of the Rise of the Striking Back Hopeless Menace!

[thecolorsblend]

A New Jedi Strikes Back

Revenge of the Phantom Clones

[TroyObliX]

I think "Darkness Rises" is due to be used, just to put a nail in either term being used again. Anymore. Repeatedly by everyone on earth.

[Cryostar]

Episode VII: Troy moves to Colorado

[TroyObliX]

I was thinking Washington, actually. We'll see, I'd like to know more about how/if the FED's are going to respond to these measures by the States before relocating. Although I think they are too busy playing "Post-Election Porno Email Show & Tell" these days. FBI scores headshot on CIA, CIA nails FBI agent in-charge of investigation in return, and the whole mess is currently taking down the US General and (once) future commander of NATO.

Put in some scapeships, a wookie, and a half-naked alien woman, and BAM!


EpisodeLXIX: General VD Attacks


Pay me now or pay me later Disney, but you know you want to use it.

[Topeka]

I was thinking Washington, actually. We'll see, I'd like to know more about how/if the FED's are going to respond to these measures by the States before relocating. Although I think they are too busy playing "Post-Election Porno Email Show & Tell" these days. FBI scores headshot on CIA, CIA nails FBI agent in-charge of investigation in return, and the whole mess is currently taking down the US General and (once) future commander of NATO.

Never mind the REAL issue here involves Benghazi. The sex scandal has done a great job of distracting the media though. But that's a topic for a different.... well, topic.

[cantina_patron]

On second thought, Phantom Menace was the best title because it's the only one that didn't give anything away. More like this please.

The Balance of the Force seems like a good title for Episode IX. We've had one with Sith and one with the Jedi, let's go for the reason they exist.

[stan Marsh]

I agree cantina, the third should be about balance the force something or other. Without knowing what the hell these are going to be about and how far after RotJ the other 2 titles are difficult, but we can at least sum it all up with balance, although on could argue the force was already in balance at the end of jedi. A part of me wishes they would abandon this timeline altogether and go to the old republic. Revan is too obscure for mainstream but would make the sheep in me delighted.

[cantina_patron]

A part of me wishes they would abandon this timeline altogether and go to the old republic. Revan is too obscure for mainstream but would make the sheep in me delighted.

For the first trilogy under their banner, Disney is going to play it safe. And it sort of makes sense. There're still some questions at the end of ROTJ that can be answered. Did they really nail all the Imperials (you can't say judging by the battle). Did Leia become a Jedi? Did Luke ever bang anyone? How is the new Jedi Order going to be different from the old one? How are they going to rebuild the Republic?

I only played the first KOTOR, but it had an OT vibe and a great plot. The twist was totally worthy of Star Wars. I don't about the movie, but I could see a Firefly type TV show based on it. The Old Republic era has a lot of potential because there can be more than two Sith at a time.

[Alexrd]

Revan is too obscure for mainstream but would make the sheep in me delighted.

Revan is too obscure? I'd say it's too mainstream. An overrated character from an overrated era, in my opinion.

And I liked Knights of the Old Republic. It's one of my favourite RPGs.

[CoGro]

STAR WARS

EPISODE VII

THE IMPERIAL SHADOW

[The_Somnambulist]

Ain't It Cool News just posted an article about rumored titles.

The two that are talked about, reportedly used by George Lucas in coming up with the stories, are Rise of the Jedi and Return of the Sith.

If they're real, they're both terrible but I like the latter one more. It's kinda like a perverse joke. Warping the sense of optimism and finality in ROTJ by aping its title.

[Longtime_Sunshine]

What a trip it is to read possible titles for the new Star Wars movie from Ain't It Cool News. What year is it, 2003?

Remember "Star Wars: Episode III - The Creeping Fear"? It's funny because none of the rumored titles have ever had that iconic Star Wars sound to them. Even if "Attack of the Clones" is cheesy, it still sounds like a legit Star Wars movie (even if AotC is not a legit Star Wars movie).

Title will be "revealed" with the first teaser, which judging by the timeline so far, will be sometime in March 2015? I'm assuming JJ and Bad Robot/Lucasfilm/ILM have been working on the movie this whole time, right? Pre-vis, creature design, etc. I can't imagine they're waiting to see if Ford will sign on before moving ahead with all of that.

[Cryostar]

Ain't It Cool News just posted an article about rumored titles.

The two that are talked about, reportedly used by George Lucas in coming up with the stories, are Rise of the Jedi and Return of the Sith.

If they're real, they're both terrible but I like the latter one more. It's kinda like a perverse joke. Warping the sense of optimism and finality in ROTJ by aping its title.

I trust AICN about as much as I trust TFN...

[The_Somnambulist]

Forgive my faux pas?

But to be fair, AICN's write-up was based on info that originated at Latino Review.

[Cryostar]

I know, but both sites seem to do bad jobs at keeping the sheep'ism out of their posts, instead, just filling the rumor mills to the brim.

Not sure if there's a "good" source out there, and I guess that's the main problem.

[Bandersnatch]

Harry Buttwhisker Strikes Back:

Star Wars Episode VII: The Ancient Fear?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67205

[Topeka]

Note that it's a working title, but also brings to mind Episode III: The Creeping Fear!

[Bandersnatch]

Followed by The Creeping Crud Strikes Back and Revenge of Montezuma.

[TroyObliX]

The Ancient Fear is a horrendously bad title. For starters, the entire SW Sage takes place "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" thereby making the ancient-ness kind of redundant. Plus, it sounds like a lame metal band's first album title. I think it sucks, as far as 'words strung together' goes.

I'm not too confident in the reliability of this info anyways, so I kid. If this ends up being the actual title, it wont dissuade me from seeing the movie, but I will be preoccupied trying to figure out why they chose it.

[CoGro]

The Ancient Fear is a horrendously bad title. For starters, the entire SW Sage takes place "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" thereby making the ancient-ness kind of redundant. Plus, it sounds like a lame metal band's first album title. I think it sucks, as far as 'words strung together' goes.

I'm not too confident in the reliability of this info anyways, so I kid. If this ends up being the actual title, it wont dissuade me from seeing the movie, but I will be preoccupied trying to figure out why they chose it.

I don't think it'll be the actual title. Even "Attack of the Clones" is less bland / more descriptive of the actual narrative and it's widely considered to be the weakest title (though I think A New Hope is also really weak and would get way more criticism if it wasn't from the OT).

[Bandersnatch]

No matter what the actual title ends up being, some people will like it, others won't care, and some people will bitch and moan like it's the end of the world.
Same thing happened when The Empire Strikes Back was first announced, believe it or not.

[TroyObliX]

Oh, I'm sure. You're right of course.

Makes me wonder if 'Star Wars' (as known upon release) benefitted from it's retroactive subtitling, as opposed to being called by it's lengthier, current nombre'. Would the people of the late 70's have seen this mouthful of jargon, and "need for insider-knowledge to decipher the meaning put forth by the title" as distracting? I mean, Jaws was about a big, God damned shark, people knew that going in. Does a distracting title have any impact on a film, Star Wars or otherwise? I wonder. Some marketing student probably did a bad paper on it, I should google that shit.


Not that that matters at all in the least, I'm just thinking out loud, through my fingertips.

[CoGro]

I think Star Wars is due for a title with the word "mystery" in it.

The Empire Strikes Back was and still is a great title. I actually think The Phantom Menace is a great Star Wars title too.

I wasn't fond that the prequels were marketed as "Star Wars: Episode x - insert title." I thought they should have let the titles stand on their own like the OT titles did to give each film some distinction. The closest any prequel marketing got to doing this was:

http://patchesnpins.com/sw%20080.jpg

In other news, this is funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nJS-LPcFfw

[Treadwell]

Oh, I'm sure. You're right of course.

Makes me wonder if 'Star Wars' (as known upon release) benefitted from it's retroactive subtitling, as opposed to being called by it's lengthier, current nombre'. Would the people of the late 70's have seen this mouthful of jargon, and "need for insider-knowledge to decipher the meaning put forth by the title" as distracting? I mean, Jaws was about a big, God damned shark, people knew that going in. Does a distracting title have any impact on a film, Star Wars or otherwise? I wonder. Some marketing student probably did a bad paper on it, I should google that shit.


Not that that matters at all in the least, I'm just thinking out loud, through my fingertips.

You know, that's kind of got me thinking about something I haven't really ever considered much before.

To me, growing up, they were always just "Star Wars", "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi".
I do vaguely remember there must have been a point where it finally did dawn on me that those words - A New Hope - were to the first film what The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were to the second and third films. Despite the fact that I must have already been aware of those words, if you get what I mean.
As if the proper title was out there, but it wasn't really acknowledged or reinforced by most people (from my experience at least). And it was more of a gradual realisation of what "A New Hope" was, rather than a movie you called one thing suddenly got a new name one day.

So, does anyone else who was around at the time remember it this way?
And does anyone know, did the "Episode IV: A New Hope" thing appear widely before the 1981 re-release?
It was in the first edition of the "Art of Star Wars" book in 1979, right? Was that the first official appearance?

Because it just seems to me like it wasn't something people were that bothered about until everyone owned their own VHS versions of the films and watched them to death... it was just "Star Wars"...


(But, in answer to your question - Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb's reputation doesn't seem to have suffered. I reckon there are just good film titles and bad ones. Something unwieldy might be very apt for one film, but not for the next. If you don't like a film, you are probably not going to care what it was called. If you do like a film, then chances are you probably already liked the title...)

[CoGro]

It wasn't until Episode I that Lucasfilm standardized the Episode titles and, as a result, people started calling Empire "Star Wars - Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back," etc.

Even after the THX releases in '95 and the Special Editions of '97, it was still "Star Wars," "Empire," and "Jedi."

Originally, Star Wars was given the subtitle Episode IV: A New Hope during the re-release of '79.

[Treadwell]

Originally, Star Wars was given the subtitle Episode IV: A New Hope during the re-release of '79.

I thought the 1979 thing was just a rumour... http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/the-missing-episode/

[BlackCriminalGangster2050]

Treadwell, it was like that for me growing up then, too--"Star Wars", "Empire Strikes Back", "Return of the Jedi". It never crossed my mind to call "Star Wars" "A New Hope", and I didn't know a single kid who referred to it as that...it was always just plain "Star Wars". Though I tried to go with "A New Hope" for a few years, it always sounded off to me, and still does. If I'm writing it out quickly on a forum or wherever, I'll sometimes use "ANH" for the sake of clarity or for the benefit of other people, but I always have to consciously do it. I'm also not a fan of the "Episode ___" titles; it's "The Phantom Menace", "Attack of the Clones", "Revenge of the Sith", etc. for me. Like Troy and CoGro get at above, the whole "Episode" thing just makes SW seem more niche and dorky than it ought to come across. I hope that the ST drags SW out of the geek zone a bit, without dumbing it down for the mass audience.

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