VII • The Skywalker Saga Continues....

[Freezus]

source: (comicbook.com /star-wars-the-force-awakens-continues-skywalker-family-saga/ via: costcoconnection.com)


Personally, I'm glad they stuck with the idea that each trilogy should be about the Skywalkers. This redeems TFA.

Just how big is Star Wars: The Force Awakens? Well, even a publication as unlikely as The Costco Connection is harnessing the power of the Force with a feature article about the franchise and the new film. In an interview with Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy, they mostly looked at the past of Star Wars, but she did say something interesting about the future.

Breaking the upcoming films down into two categories, she talked about the "Saga" films, the ones with Episode numbers, and the now-defunct-name "Anthology" films, which are now being called simply "A Star Wars Story" but will tell stories outside of the Saga.

"The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films," she said. "The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story."

Now, it's always been assumed that at least one of the young castmembers in Star Wars: The Force Awakens would turn out to be a Skywalker. Popular theories center mostly around Daisy Ridley's "Rey," though there have been arguments made for almost all the newbies, light side and dark side alike (of course, thanks to a new Star Wars comic, one of them is almost certainly out of the running). But this is the first time someone in a position of authority at Lucasfilm has flat-out said we'll be seeing the next "generation" of the Skywalker family.

As for the Story films, Kennedy didn't have much new to offer, though she did make a point to say they'd explore both "fresh characters" and "a variety of genres," meaning we could start to see some very different Star Wars films in the near future.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens is in theaters December 18, 2015. See where the other announced Star Wars films fall on our complete franchise movie schedule here.

[bearvomit]

Rey is likely Luke's daughter, Kyle Ren is likely Han and Leia's, leading to a brother vs. sister showdown.

[Freezus]

Rey is likely Luke's daughter, Kyle Ren is likely Han and Leia's, leading to a brother vs. sister showdown.

Don't you mean cousins since Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo Ren is Han's son? You can't have brothers and sisters if they're offsprings from a brother and sister.

[Bandersnatch]

This redeems TFA.

I wasn't aware that a movie that hasn't been released yet was in need of redeeming.

[E_CHU_TA!]

Thanks to a new Star Wars comic, one of them is almost certainly out of the running.

Who's that? Dameron?

Rey is likely Luke's daughter, Kyle Ren is likely Han and Leia's, leading to a brother vs. sister showdown.

Don't you mean cousins since Rey is Luke's daughter and Kylo Ren is Han's son? You can't have brothers and sisters if they're offsprings from a brother and sister.

If Luke has a kid, who's the mother? For fun, I'll assume its either Felicity Jones' Rogue One character or someone we haven't seen yet.

(And no, Leia's not the mother.)

[bearvomit]

Ummm, yeah, cousins. That's what I meant! And maybe she was born from midichlorians... NO mother! Oh wait..

[Topeka]

These are the Skywalkers we're talking about...

[Freezus]

This redeems TFA.

I wasn't aware that a movie that hasn't been released yet was in need of redeeming.

Because people was saying how the movie would abandon all kinds of Lucas-isms and that it would be a different story. Looks like it will retain most of Lucas' ideas.

If Luke has a kid, who's the mother? For fun, I'll assume its either Felicity Jones' Rogue One character or someone we haven't seen yet. (And no, Leia's not the mother.)

Too Bad Disney wiped Mara Jade from existence. She would have made a great mother and also that TFA or Episode VIII would have been her first film appearance.

[E_CHU_TA!]

There were rumors about a Mara Jade-esque character showing up on Rebels at some point.

Ummm, yeah, cousins. That's what I meant! And maybe she was born from midichlorians... NO mother! Oh wait..

In all seriousness, the midichlorians are an option. That would explain Ren's obsession with Vader - they're two of a kind.

BTW: if Han or Leia have a son or daughter in the film, it doesn't mean that they have a kid together.

Thanks to a new Star Wars comic, one of them is almost certainly out of the running.

Who's that? Dameron?

Can anyone answer my question?

[Bandersnatch]

This redeems TFA.

I wasn't aware that a movie that hasn't been released yet was in need of redeeming.

Because people was saying how the movie would abandon all kinds of Lucas-isms and that it would be a different story.

What people was... uh... were... saying that?

I know that Lucas said that they aren't using his treatments, but then Kennedy said that there were changes that are just like any typical changes or developments that occur in any production.

So I don't get what needs to be redeemed.

[stan Marsh]

Ummm, yeah, cousins. That's what I meant! And maybe she was born from midichlorians... NO mother! Oh wait..

that kiss could've gone farther never know..

I know it was fake but this guy posted that Kylo goes dark to keep Rey from becoming Snokes tool. This mirrors Jacens decent and I always liked the story behind Jacens fall. Just like Jacens vision of Alana on a card throne supposedly Kylo has a vision of Rey as Snokes apprentice so to stop that he keeps Snoke close to him.

That could play with the reports that Kylo see's himself as the hero and why Vader would be so important. Grandpa I had to become dark to save my loved one like you did. I just hope they choose a character equal to Mara to be Reys mom if this is how it turns out and not some throw away character that we never meet and hardly hear of.

[Freezus]

What people was... uh... were... saying that?

I know that Lucas said that they aren't using his treatments, but then Kennedy said that there were changes that are just like any typical changes or developments that occur in any production.

So I don't get what needs to be redeemed.

Right but there were concerns from people including some of these from this forum who said that they thought there wouldn't be a new generation of Skywalkers going forward because some of you were like, "OMGZ, Finn is going to be the next Jedi that Old Man Luke ends up training. Also lulz, Rey's not a Skywalker!!111" Remember these concerns that was going around the net especially in this forum? If you remember I initially protested these "changes?"

Remember Lucas' quote?

The ones that I sold to Disney, they came up to the decision that they didn't really want to do those, So they made up their own. It's not the ones that I originally wrote.

Dated January 22, 2015. (Yes, I dug up his quote)

But like I said, the fact there will be a new generation of Skywalkers redeems the film. Hey at least they won't burn up an hour of the film explaining the problems within the New Republic senate like TPM did. There's books that explains that stuff now. Before you call me crazy, I actually bought a TFA Stormtrooper action figure and it's still unopened and a TFA Millennium Falcon Graphic tee. The film will be out on the day after my Birthday so you might say it's a present to myself, lol.

[Alexrd]

Looks like it will retain most of Lucas' ideas.

How do you know that? The fact that it will continue the Skywalker saga should be expected since this is Episode VII and not some spin-off. It's nothing new and doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

[KyleKartanMG]

Who's that? Dameron?

Thanks to a new Star Wars comic, one of them is almost certainly out of the running.

Can anyone answer my question?

Spoiler

You're absolutely correct dude. Shattered Empire is a bout the Dameron Couple right after the battle of endor. They even ejoy a night together in the Ewok village. Might be possible that Poe was received in that night.

[Freezus]

How do you know that? The fact that it will continue the Skywalker saga should be expected since this is Episode VII and not some spin-off. It's nothing new and doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

The fact that there was some in SW Fandom who went, "Aww, the new trilogy won't be about the Skywalkers." If you recall that in the beginning of this year, Disney never discredited the whole "It won't be about the Skywalkers" thing. If they didn't want to continue the plot device, "It's a story about Skywalkers." They could have told Lucas to go fuck himself but they didn't.

[Monari]

I was one of those people. I would have preferred Rey not being Luke's daughter, and her and Kylo having a brother/sister thing going on, but beggars can't be choosers at this point I suppose.

[Bandersnatch]

I would have preferred Rey not being Luke's daughter...

Maybe she isn't.

[Sith Hunter#1]

I had her down as Han & Leia's kid...

[Bandersnatch]

I had her down as Han & Leia's kid...

Maybe she is.

[Zaius]

“The similarities to Episode IV, if you will, are unavoidable, but they’re also entirely intentional. This is not a remake because when you do Star Wars you’re doing a kind of western. There are elements that you not only can’t avoid, but which are absolutely necessary."

[CoGro]

There will be fair criticism levied against this movie. That doesn't mean one can't still enjoy it, appreciate it, and even love it.

I expect that TFA copying ANH beat for beat, the "uninspired" locales, and other "pandering to the OT crowd" components will annoy many fans. The movie will overcome it if it has great characters, compelling drama and memorable set pieces.

[dromag]

I had her down as Han & Leia's kid...

Maybe she is.

Maybe she is the daughter of Luke AND Leia.

[Bandersnatch]

"The Armstrongs married the Headstrongs and that's how Darkies were born..."

-Groucho Marx

[royalguard96]

SPOILER....



Finn Last Name Revealed

I can stomach Finn Calrissian just fine, as opposed to Finn Skywalker or Finn Kenobi...

[CoGro]

This was debunked.

[Bandersnatch]

18x24?
He would have an enormous schwanzstucker!

[Lego Han]

Hi. Long time lurker and contributor to several other SW related forums.

I think pretty much everything you need to know about Rey & Kylo Ren was nicely summed up in this article by SWNN yesterday.

starwarsnewsnet.com editorial-are-two-key-star-wars-the-force-awakens-newcomers-related.html

In summary:

- Kylo Ren is a Solo
- Rey is Luke's daughter
- Something happened at an early age to turn Kylo to the Dark Side
- Rey was probably given up for adoption by Luke (Disney loves orphans)
- Something happened to Rey's adoptive parents on Jakku that meant she was left alone
- She believes her adoptive parents are her real parents
- We don't know what happened to Rey's real Mom
- Most of the above events will be explained by the flashback

[Bandersnatch]

Jesus. Why does everybody have to be related?

Next up: Finn is Mace Windu and Lando's bastard love bunny.

[Lego Han]

To be fair to JJ and LK I think they've tried to step away from the idea that everyone in the universe is related. I think in the early days when Michael Arndt was working on the draft outline given to him by George things were even more incestuous with Finn originally being Lando's son and talk of Obi Wan's kids turning up.

I think it was pretty much stipulated by George and Disney that the script must be the ongoing legacy of the Skywalkers and there was never going to be any getting around that.

[Lego Han]

Just my two cents worth but....

If you take the article I posted above from SWNN and tie it with this one from Reddit: r/starwarsspeculation/

I think you'll be getting a really good idea of what's going to happen in this movie with regard to Anakin's grand children. I wouldn't normally post stuff from people on Reddit but the buzz on other sites regarding this particular post is pretty positive.

Just my opinion though....

[buzzfunk]

There will be fair criticism levied against this movie. That doesn't mean one can't still enjoy it, appreciate it, and even love it.

I expect that TFA copying ANH beat for beat, the "uninspired" locales, and other "pandering to the OT crowd" components will annoy many fans. The movie will overcome it if it has great characters, compelling drama and memorable set pieces.

You are already setting yourself up for disappointment and critic. Why? Even if it follows somewhat ANH, thats not a bad thing. And why would giving the OT crowd what they want annoy others? Because the prequels were so good? pssst.

[CoGro]

ew.com /gallery/ /finn-john-boyega-and-rey-daisy-ridley/

Interesting comment here that Rey was written without any particular race in mind. Could be misdirection, but if true it calls into question her suspected connection to Luke or Leia.

[Alexrd]

And why would giving the OT crowd what they want annoy others? Because the prequels were so good? pssst.

They were great, yes. And why would it annoy anyone? Because it's cheap. Playing safe at expense of creativity and boldness.

[Monari]

You know, i'd absolutely love it if that Reddit post was true, but the cynic in me thinks that the Google slides still hold true, and that we don't see any sort of turn from Kylo in this movie.

I've heard that Driver isn't even signed on for Ep's 8 and 9, so maybe he even dies a la Maul in this one?

[moviefreak732]

ew.com /gallery/ /finn-john-boyega-and-rey-daisy-ridley/

Interesting comment here that Rey was written without any particular race in mind. Could be misdirection, but if true it calls into question her suspected connection to Luke or Leia.

Not necessarily. Maybe Luke likes a little brown sugar here and there.

We all know that Rey is related to someone important just from the way they're marketing her, and she seems to have some familiarity with Kylo Ren, so it's not too much of a stretch that they could be related to each other.

That big spoilerific Google Doc appears more and more accurate with every new preview that comes out for the film.

Personally, I don't mind it, and it makes sense to keep the focus on the Skywalker clan from a narrative POV. As long as they don't try to shoehorn Finn and Poe into the big family reunion, I'll be happy.

[Monari]

“The similarities to Episode IV, if you will, are unavoidable, but they’re also entirely intentional. This is not a remake because when you do Star Wars you’re doing a kind of western. There are elements that you not only can’t avoid, but which are absolutely necessary."

Fair enough, but they could have at least changed the color of the sand on Not-Tattooine.

[Bandersnatch]

Then people would bitch that it looks too much like Geonosis.

[CoGro]

From Lucas:

The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, ‘We want to make something for the fans.’ People don’t actually realize it’s actually a soap opera and it’s all about family problems – it’s not about spaceships. So they decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, ‘Fine. I’ll go my way and I let them go their way.’

He sounds a tad bitter, and based on his question to JJ about "what happens to Darth Vader's grandchildren" seems to indicate that the ST will at least partially depart from the structured Skywalker family drama the saga is about. Either that or he's being a baby because KK and JJ didn't like his scripts.

We will find out in 28 days.

[Bandersnatch]

Lucas didn't write scripts, just treatments. He should of course know that treatments are always subject to change and further development.

[Topeka]

From Lucas:

The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, ‘We want to make something for the fans.’ People don’t actually realize it’s actually a soap opera and it’s all about family problems – it’s not about spaceships. So they decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, ‘Fine. I’ll go my way and I let them go their way.’

He sounds a tad bitter, and based on his question to JJ about "what happens to Darth Vader's grandchildren" seems to indicate that the ST will at least partially depart from the structured Skywalker family drama the saga is about. Either that or he's being a baby because KK and JJ didn't like his scripts.

We will find out in 28 days.

Indeed. Lucas has an interesting perspective developed from being told what he could and could not do in his early career. He's so dogmatic in that notion that no one can tell him "no, don't do it that way." It really is babyish; the people who worked for him had to tiptoe their way around broken glass.

As smart as Lucas is, and as good a storyteller as he can be, removing him from control could be the best thing to happen to the franchise since 1980.

[CoGro]

The last person he respected enough to check him was Gary Kurtz, but we know how that ended up.

I just want a good Star Wars movie, and I want it to make sense in the context of the saga. I really don't give a shit who is responsible for what.

[CoGro]

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/11/the-b ... -hes-gone/

[Topeka]

I almost feel bad for him.

Really though, I want to see him move past Star Wars and make his artsy films. He did walk away with 4 billion dollars. Do something original in the time left on this planet.

[CoGro]

GL's involvement could have just has easily hurt the ST as it could have helped it. Looking at the PT, I'd say it was probably about time for him to move on.

If you're KK and JJ Abrams, you just better deliver a great product. That's all there is to it. Otherwise GL is going to get a lot of air time talking about how badly you ruined Star Wars.

[royalguard96]

GL's involvement could have just has easily hurt the ST as it could have helped it. Looking at the PT, I'd say it was probably about time for him to move on.

If you're KK and JJ Abrams, you just better deliver a great product. That's all there is to it. Otherwise GL is going to get a lot of air time talking about how badly you ruined Star Wars.

I think GL is far too classy to ever directly call out anyone in public like that. His feelings in private? Another matter.

I'm probably one of Lucas's greatest defenders out there, and it saddens me he no longer has any direct influence in Star Wars stories going forward. I just happen to be someone who deeply appreciates what he did and respects his vision for his story, regardless of how anyone else reacts to it. I loved TPM-AOTC-ROTS, and my feeling was that he didn't "have" to make any of those films. I mean, he had already won the film industry's highest honor - the Irving Thalberg Award - 8 years before TPM even came out. Since 1937, only 39 people have won that award, and it is not an award given out annually. The man's legacy is beyond question in my mind.

However, I do hope he likes TFA and future episodes. It will make me happy knowing he's happy with the direction of the franchise he created. He's more than earned a peaceful and happy retirement.

[Mike_Droideka]

Just some random thoughts after a beer night:

I think what we have here is a very unique, and extraordinary situation.
I can see more than one point view here.
Star Wars is George's creation and always will be no matter what. Having to let go emotionally, is probably easier said than done.
None of us have walked in his shoes, so we're unable to understand exactly what it is that he's feeling.

At the same time, George never got to experience the magic of Star Wars, seeing it the way the rest of the world did.
He is the man behind the curtain; not that punter with the plastic lightsaber, who attends every midnight screening and buys all the dolls.

Disney probably relate more to the fan side of things, and want this franchise to be at the forefront of the modern entertainment industry again (money's an obvious issue here of course) and reclaim the crown - as it should!

I remember reading an interview with Lucas, when I was a kid, that his long term wish was that other directors would step in, so he could sit back and watch their take on a GFFA.

Funny how the theme of the ST is the passing of the torch.

[Zaius]

Apologies if this has been posted before, if so please delete.

A Chronological supercut, possibly best viewed with the sound down.

Quite compelling imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhoU41tUHbc

[Freezus]

Hi! I'm back but I've been reading everyone's comments.

Thanks for keeping my thread alive.

Anyways, if Lucas didn't want anyone to NOT use his treatments, then why did he bother to sell the company to Disney? If it had been 20th Century Fox, he would have gotten at least an Executive Producer credit. I can understand his concerns...It's the same idea when Paramount made Star Trek II: Wrath of Kahn in which Roddenberry was tossed out and given an "Executive Consultant" credit. Roddenberry had similar concern about Trek 2, but when the movie came out, his concerns eased. The rest is history and Roddenberry just faded away into obscurity. Lucas, will also fade away into history.

[yarq]

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