Rey Theory

[ki adi moonshine]

Rey's Parentage

I thought it was fairly obvious that she was a Skywalker; she even reminded me of Anakin with her piloting and mechanical skills. Anakin's saber wouldn't just call out to anyone. To defeat Kylo Ren the way she did, I think there's just no chance an ordinary "force attuned" individual could do that with little or no training (her memories could be suppressed).

Then I go on and see people saying she an effing Kenobi? Seriously wtf? If she ends up not being Luke's daughter I will be pretty disappointed. The film built up to the moment when the two finally met. It may seem cliche but this is Star Wars, and it is about the Skywalkers. I see Rey as the true heir of Luke and Anakin. Kylo may have known Luke had a daughter, but didn't know that his daughter was Rey. Maybe Rey's mother was killed in the Temple attack and it was so traumatizing that Rey literally blocked all those memories out, and Luke then sent his daughter off where she'd be safe, mirroring Episode III.

That's my take anyway. What do you guys think?

[Topeka]

Maybe, Rey is Luke's daughter and her mother is Leia.

I think that Luke left her on Jakku. She seems the right age to be there at the time Luke goes into hiding.

[ki adi moonshine]

That's also another good point. Rey is about 20, and Luke vanished 20 years ago.

[doafhat]

I know some people believe she's a Kenobi because all the connections to Luke appear to be too obvious, but I have to think she's a Skywalker. I can't imagine them building all those connections just to drop them all for a "Nope, she's actually Obi-Wan's granddaughter. And by the way, Obi-Wan had his own kid he never told anyone about and it never came up until just now byeeeeeee!" fakeout.

If TFA has indicated anything about the new movies, it's that straightforward storytelling built around the characters is going to win out over complicated plot twists that general audiences might not understand.

[Ascovel]

IMO Rey's parantage is a giant red herring and it's Kylo who turns out to be Luke's child in the next episode. That's why Luke went into hiding in the first place. Han didn't know, even though, as always, he did shoot first.

[JoRo]

Because Disney will really want to pursue and incest story line in their (current) biggest money spinner.

[Cryostar]

[Hokusai]

I think the felicity girl from rogue one will be the mom. She was killed in temple raid by kylo. Luke feels he failed or would not be able to control his dark side rage and be a unstoppable menace so he removes himself from the equation. 2 war heroes like that would meet at some point. That way the spinoff movie still relates to the main films.

[BobaLeeFortuna]

I think when Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroy luke's jedi academy Kylo cannot bring himself to kill her. She's a small child and the light gets the best of him. He hides her on Jakku in an attempt to keep it from snoke. She was his family and he couldn't kill her. Is she luke's or Han and Leia's? Either way could work, but personally I like the idea she's luke's. Episode VIII casting hired a red headed actress Geraldine James the same age as Hamill a few weeks ago. It may not be anything but I think she will be rey's mom. She may not be Mara Jade but the red hair would be a great nod. Rey would have the force from both sides of her family in that case. Maybe that's why she is so talented. She's a natural.

[Bandersnatch]

Episode VIII casting hired a red headed actress Geraldine James the same age as Hamill a few weeks ago.

Where did you hear that?

[BobaLeeFortuna]

starwarsnewsnet.com rumors-about-star-wars-episode-viii-new-cast-member-new-filming-location.html

[stan Marsh]

Luke standing in front of what I assume is his wife's grave makes for a very powerful scene later on. "I've kept watch over you from afar with your mother" I wish they would've shown more of the grave stone it took me 3 viewings to catch it

[E_CHU_TA!]

If Rey isn't Luke's daughter it destroys the symbolism in the film and the final scene.

Anakin's ROTS lightsaber has been labeled by Disney as the "Skywalker" lightsaber. So, it's only logical that it would "call" to another Skywalker.

Overall, I think the final shot is the biggest tell. It's a circular helicopter shot that ends with an iris out. In other words, it's a circle within a circle. Abrams should have added subtitles that read "The Skywalker lightsaber is brought back to a Skywalker by a Skywalker. The circle is now complete."

Obi-wan reaches out to Rey, because he mentored by her grandfather and father. He speaks to her through the Living Force just as he did with Luke.

Does anyone have a shot or video of the final scene? I haven't seen the grave.

[ki adi moonshine]

I have a cam rip. I can look at it a little later; writing an article right now for the news outlet I work for.

[stan Marsh]

http://imgur.com/8fgipt5


if you do a search for grave stones on the real skellig michael thats exactly how they look. what a fucking awesome location for filming.
and I agree e chu ta that she is likes daughter but I hope they have good explanations for why she didn't know who Luke was or Leia and Han not knowing her.

[ki adi moonshine]

There was a...familiarity with Leia though. I think Leia knew who she was because of her abilities with the force, which is why she sent REY to see Luke and didn't go herself. I mean seriously, why send some stranger to find the brother you've been looking for when you're the only family he has!? Makes no sense unless Rey is his daughter.

[stan Marsh]

There was a...familiarity with Leia though. I think Leia knew who she was because of her abilities with the force, which is why she sent REY to see Luke and didn't go herself. I mean seriously, why send some stranger to find the brother you've been looking for when you're the only family he has!? Makes no sense unless Rey is his daughter.

thru the force Leia may gave recognized her but it's weird she and Han didn't know her. And still she was like 5 when abandoned why doesn't she know Luke? Unless the mother was like oh hell no I'm not getting involved in this wacky Skywalker BS and took off with Rey.

[Zaius]

After a third viewing earlier this evening, i'd bet money on Rey being Lukes daughter.

[ki adi moonshine]

here's the best pic i could get.

Spoiler

It could be a grave but really hard to tell.

[stan Marsh]

When Han offered her a job all I could think of was when he did the same to Luke. Definitely Lukes Daughter. I guess he didn't tell Leia she was an aunt.

[BobaLeeFortuna]

Maybe Luke's attachment to Rey's mother and to Rey may have played into Kylo's fall and the destruction of the academy. I imagine Kylo was a star pupil until Luke had a daughter. Luke being a father naturally focused on his own daughter and this began upsetting Kylo the original "skywalker". Kylo was stricken with jealously. Snoke capitalized on this.

[stan Marsh]

What island was Ren referring to when he probed her mind? She hadn't seen Lukes whereabouts yet but she knew of them deep down?

[kmartnintendude]

I really think it would be bad writing and bad Star Wars story planning if she turned out to not be Luke's daughter, with all the hints seemingly given in the movie. I don't know if an "I am your father" moment to parallel the TESB one is necessary, but I guess there's no way around it if he is the daddy. Also, with regards to Kylo Ren/Ben Solo and Rey, I wouldn't have picked the central Skywalker family relationship to explore in the ST to be that of cousins, but I'll deal if that's the case. I trust they know where they're going with it all.

[stan Marsh]

I really think it would be bad writing and bad Star Wars story planning if she turned out to not be Luke's daughter, with all the hints seemingly given in the movie. I don't know if an "I am your father" moment to parallel the TESB one is necessary, but I guess there's no way around it if he is the daddy. Also, with regards to Kylo Ren/Ben Solo and Rey, I wouldn't have picked the central Skywalker family relationship to explore in the ST to be that of cousins, but I'll deal if that's the case. I trust they know where they're going with it all.

Listening to the book worried me. Maz tells her that her family isn't coming back! But where she belonged was ahead not sure if it means much.

[Bandersnatch]

Listening to the book worried me. Maz tells her that her family isn't coming back! But where she belonged was ahead not sure if it means much.

Maz says that in the movie, too. That doesn't necessarily mean that Luke isn't her father. It just means that going back to Jakku is not the answer.

[ki adi moonshine]

Maz said who she was waiting for on Jakku wasn't coming back, and that she had to look forward instead of backwards. It didn't take it to mean Luke wasn't her father...actually the opposite. Luke is her dad and she needs to look forward and not backward and be so focused on Jakku.

[SI]

OK well it looks like I'm going against the rest of the SW worldwide fanbase when I say I don't think she is Luke's daughter.

I agree the neon signs are flashing "Rey is Luke's daughter!!" but I believe Luke is more the Obi-Wan type to not have a wife or any children. I think the film makers are planning a mis-direct in EP8 by revealing she is the offspring of another powerful force user**.

I also don't buy the idea that Luke just abandons his daughter on a dead world and flies off to a tropical island. It's out of character and we know he resented his time on Tatooine why put his own daughter through that? My student just turned on me ! Now where can I dump my only child???

Look it's just my opinion, but if she was to be a Skywalker why not just include a short exchange in the final scene?

[ki adi moonshine]

We don't know that Luke dumped her there. Perhaps he thought she was dead.

[SI]

Pretty sure if Luke had a daughter he would know if she was dead or not.

[prox]

I don't see a lot of people pointing this out. I said it in another thread, will point it out here.

In the battle with Ren at the end, he mentions 'the force'. Rey closes her eyes and says 'the force...'. At this moment, I believe it's Luke's theme that begins playing. I feel like this is pretty note-worthy.

[ki adi moonshine]

Luke's theme doesn't play. It's actually a cue of the force theme from ANH I believe when Luke sees Beru and Owen's bodies burned.

Luke's theme is the main theme.

Obi-Wan's theme is actually the Force Theme, or was.

[LukeIamYourFarmer]

OK well it looks like I'm going against the rest of the SW worldwide fanbase when I say I don't think she is Luke's daughter.

I agree the neon signs are flashing "Rey is Luke's daughter!!" but I believe Luke is more the Obi-Wan type to not have a wife or any children. I think the film makers are planning a mis-direct in EP8 by revealing she is the offspring of another powerful force user**.

Exactly this. I floated this in another thread, but could it be possible that in fact that other "powerful force user" could have been Palpatine/Sideous? Or perhaps Snoke? (Although we don't even KNOW if Snoke is truly a Dark Lord of the Sith yet).

The more I think about it the more intrigued I am by this horrifying angle. It would add more to that knowing look Luke was giving her in that final scene.. because somehow he did recognize her. Not to mention the music took on a more "sinister" tone when Rey reached the summit and first saw Luke. Rey being a daughter of a Sith Lord could turn everything upside down.. for who we think are our hero's and who ultimately could turn out to be the villain.

This could be Luke's greatest challenge yet.. harnessing Rey's lineage to the Dark Side and faced with the desperate task of turning a conflicted Ben Solo back to the light in order to defeat her

[501ST]

The "Kenobi" suggestion is such a load of rubbish.

[lobot]

To counter a lot of the criticism that Rey is too strong in the force with no training:

Theories abound that Rey was being trained as young child at Luke's academy. When the Knights of Ren showed up and slaughtered everyone, Kylo Ren was 'seduced' by the light side when he saw little Rey, and he couldn't bring himself to murder her. He rescued her from the Knights of Ren and escaped to drop her off at little known Jakku. He's the one who is leaving in the flashback, and, in her eyes, he is the family that left her behind.

[ki adi moonshine]

OK well it looks like I'm going against the rest of the SW worldwide fanbase when I say I don't think she is Luke's daughter.

I agree the neon signs are flashing "Rey is Luke's daughter!!" but I believe Luke is more the Obi-Wan type to not have a wife or any children. I think the film makers are planning a mis-direct in EP8 by revealing she is the offspring of another powerful force user**.

Exactly this. I floated this in another thread, but could it be possible that in fact that other "powerful force user" could have been Palpatine/Sideous? Or perhaps Snoke? (Although we don't even KNOW if Snoke is truly a Dark Lord of the Sith yet).

The more I think about it the more intrigued I am by this horrifying angle. It would add more to that knowing look Luke was giving her in that final scene.. because somehow he did recognize her. Not to mention the music took on a more "sinister" tone when Rey reached the summit and first saw Luke. Rey being a daughter of a Sith Lord could turn everything upside down.. for who we think are our hero's and who ultimately could turn out to be the villain.

This could be Luke's greatest challenge yet.. harnessing Rey's lineage to the Dark Side and faced with the desperate task of turning a conflicted Ben Solo back to the light in order to defeat her

Rey has so many similar characteristics with Anakin, even her latent ability with the Force, and her "beginnings" and initial journey echo both Luke and Anakin's story perfectly; even her garb is similar. If she's not a Skywalker I feel like it's a misleading bait and switch, which is really cheap.

[CoGro]

I do give credit to the idea that Rey's parents have villainous origins. Remember that this was exactly Luke's story in the OT. That plot twist worked because of how purely good Luke was shown to be.

If I recall, Lucas' idea as far as the theme of the ST was concerned was to show the blurring lines between light and dark. Rey being a Palpatine would certainly challenge our perception of what makes someone good or bad.

[Topeka]

That would be a chilling transition. Rey, despite the flaws in her journey, is an extremely likable character.

There was that moment when I believe she would have ended Kylo Ren if the ground had not separated them. So the precedent is there. Falling to the dark side would be unthinkably tragic.

[CoGro]

I agree, which is why it might make for a truly heartbreaking twist.

Episode 7 set up a lot of great narrative opportunities. All of which were made possible by great performances and well-written characters.

[LukeIamYourFarmer]

Couldn't agree more! It's fun to speculate but that would indeed be a heartbreaking and tragic twist. Rey especially was very likable and we as an audience were naturally drawn to her. Of course we could be way off base, there are many possibilities. This one in particular I think would make for a very emotionally charged Ep VIII/IX.

I too think that had the ground not separated them, Rey was ready to move in for the kill. Very intense!

[Topeka]

Kylo Ren has a line in Disney Infinity 3.0 as he battles Rey, "Face me, cousin."

Take that for what you will.

*edit* Twitter is saying there are actually two separate lines "Face me" and "Curses" that overlap. False alarm.

[Freezus]

Kylo Ren has a line in Disney Infinity 3.0 as he battles Rey, "Face me, cousin."

Take that for what you will.

I hate to tell you all but...

I TOLD YOU ALL SO!

This proves that Rey IS Luke's daughter... Tsk tsk and you all thought you could give me the runaround...

Now, everyone's failures here is complete.

[LukeIamYourFarmer]

woah.. seriously? They spoiled it in a video game??

[Freezus]

woah.. seriously? They spoiled it in a video game??

Yep sadly that's sanctioned by Disney/LFL.

[Freezus]

*edit* Twitter is saying there are actually two separate lines "Face me" and "Curses" that overlap. False alarm.

Too late now. You cannot cover up your failure

[ki adi moonshine]

Sounds like it's clearly "face me cousin"

Said at exactly 20:32, video starts at 20:16



Plus, it was removed from disney's official channel.

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/24/reys-id ... awakens-d/

[dromag]

Sounds like it's clearly "face me cousin"

lmao yes it does although some people are saying he says "Face me! Curses!"

[LukeIamYourFarmer]

Yes, it was almost immediately debunked.. the guy who originally broke the "news" even apologized for being a little overzealous lol

[Cryostar]

Here's the video....it's at the 20:30 mark where Ben says it to Rey.

[CoGro]

I actually think it's a coincidence.

I hear curses.

[SI]

Curses.

Shot down and debunked by Pablo Hidalgo