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First off... let me state that I enjoyed Rogue One immensely and thought it infinitely superior to The Force Awakens (the weakest Star Wars film IMHO). It was everything The Force Awakens SHOULD have been.
However, I do have some significant nitpicks, which whilst they don't ruin the film for me, lessen it somewhat...

1) Krennic appeared to be a very undeveloped villain. His character was perhaps a victim of the reshoots, but I never really got a sense of his motives/motivation. Because of that factor, the film lacked an antagonist centre. Krennic probably would have benefitted for less Tarkin.

2) Tarkin - Whilst I got genuine SW geek chills from seeing Tarkin again, I thought him too obviously digital. I'm not sure, as an effect, it will age well. I'd have preferred Tarkin to not appear at all (given he was a peripheral figure)... and what was with his sudden spurt of growth? Peter Cushing was circa 5ft 10/11... but now he appears to be circa 6ft 4 inches.

3) As others have mentioned, ANH alludes to Vader hunting down rebel spies, whereas Rogue One positions him more as a peripheral character who just turns up at the end... and as others have mentioned, it creates a bit of a continuity problem given Princess Leia's defence in ANH, and Rogue One's depiction of her being in the thick of it in the finale. I believe this was a consequence of the film wanting to tie everything up in a bow (IMO). No need for the Tantive IV. No need for Leia's appearance. It just made the ending feel too convoluted.

4) The score. Whilst it was perfectly adequate, it was perfunctory at best. Opting for an orchestral score only served to highlight the shortfall in R1's score and that of any Williams penned one.


The main things I liked...

1) A return to the more world building Lucas'esque vibe. Even though this was much closer to events of ANH, Edwards seemed more willing to mix the aesthetic, give us new worlds, ships etc.

2) A genuine sense of peril. A sense of narrative progression. The final reel made it feel like there was something genuinely at stake for the characters. And although ostensibly shorthand, the characters largely behaved in ways that were logical and believable. After the lack of peril/tension and narrative cohesion in a The Force Awakens, I was pleasantly surprised regarding this element of Rogue One.

3) R1 is a SW film I immediately wanted to see again. Not felt that way since 2005.


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I honestly think this film had some of the best battles in series history. The ground/beach battle to be tops the Battle of Hoth while the space battle is second only to The Battle of Endor. I absolutely loved how much of a war film this was. So brilliant.

The way this was shot really, really makes me hope we get a Battle of Jakku film.


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Saw it this morning for the first time. I didn't hate it but I didn't like it. I enjoyed the tarkin effects but thought red leader and gold leader looked silly. I know it was a good movie but it didn't really add anything to Star Wars for me. That said I can see where other fans might love it and it's nice to hear all the positives. Hey my son is watching a new hope right now holding a Darth Vader figure telling rebels to die so it must have worked.


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I think I'm with the consensus that Rogue One is a better movie than TFA but it leaned on nostalgia and fan service a bit too much for my tastes. These references and call backs could have been handled with more finesse by a more subtle director but will likely make for a fun drinking game when the movie comes home: take a shot every time some says the word "hope."

CG Tarkin was very convincing and I feel like we're on the precipice of a digital actor revolution where totally unique human actors will be created (probably copyrighted) and cast in films alongside "real" actors and no one will think twice about their use (think the Al Pacino movie "Simone" from a few years back).


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The AT-ATs would have gone down more easily on Hoth if the X-Wings and Y-Wings were hitting them with bombs and torpedoes.


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Yup - if only they'd been savvy enough to use the weaponary that had worked before...


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He'd have to be an idiot not to recognise it's the same ship... given it's a lingering shot of him watching the Tantive IV escape and then, we assume, he pursues directly in the Devastator, and we're into ANH.


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come on guys... "I cant believe shed lie to vaders face..." of course shed play stupid, thats her only option.


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Because he needed it to get off of Hoth and fly to Dagobah.

What I meant was, the X-Wings were already starting to escort the Rebel transports. The AT-AT attack hadn't happened yet.


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The Empire learned from the mistakes of Scarif and upgraded the walkers by the time ESB came around.

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I guess I'm the only one who found Forest Whitaker's work cringeworthy? Somehow I couldn't find any bitter extremist in him, just an overacting one.

About the music: surprisingly, it works better for me on its own, without the movie. Still, pieces like "Krennic's Aspirations", heavily relying on Williams' genius, are just the best. And while I listen to this soundtrack, I keep thinking about "A New Hope" and rumors that circulated years ago: are they going to rescore it, using Imperial March and other pieces composed later, to make it fit better between R1 and TESB?

Generally, I enjoyed the movie and certain moments were absolutely great (Vader vs rebel soldiers). If I were to change anything, I'd probably simplify the first, slower part. Maybe one trip less - Eadu mission could be joined with Scarif, I guess, to make the whole plot a bit tighter.

Oh, and I heard two identical opinions from female viewers (my wife included) that went like this: "You know, that Cassian character was... kinda wimpy" :) .


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Tarkin was awesome. No UV for me with either. It looks like 2 guys fall running from Vader. One of them throws the card to the oter falling into the Tantive.


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If the only visual effects produced were those that were unmistakably photo-real, there'd be no Star Wars. The property has always been a testing ground for visual effects innovations, perfected or not. I found this particular experiment an awesome stepping stone and I bet it challenges other VFX houses to do 'em one better. I, for one, applaud minds like John Knoll's.


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Some tidbits from the DK book Rogue One: Secret Mission.

Ages of the characters:
Jyn - 22
Cassian - 26
K-2SO - 12
Bohdi - 25
Baze - 53
Chirrut - 52

The Death Star construction began one year before the end of the Clone Wars. Ten years later, the project was moved from Geonosis to Scarif.

Krennic and Galen Erso have known each other for 36 years, as of the events of Rogue One.

Jyn was 8 when her mother was killed and Krennic took Galen from the farm, as shown in the film's prologue.


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The Vader scene at the end is one of the most satisfying scenes I have ever watched in any movie. My thought coming out of the film was that I need a standalone Darth Vader movie.


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I went to my 3rd viewing last night and the one thing that really stood out to me was how much I fucking <3 this movie.


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Has anyone seen this in 3D? I've seen it twice in 2D, just wondering if the conversion is any good.


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I waited until after a second viewing to post my thoughts on this film so here it goes - the good, the bad and the ugly:

The good:

- Great cinematography
- Nice use of cameos and references and such to tie the PT to the OT
- I thought the VFX used for Leia and Tarkin was fine - bring on Alec Guinness (you know it's coming)
- A good story worth telling - glad it is canon.
- Vader's scenes
- K-2SO


The Bad:

- Dialogue - The worst in relation to the characters, any one of these characters could have used the
others lines and it would not have mattered. In the past all characters were defined by their iconic look
and their dialogue to help establish the character’s personality, this was not "wooden" dialogue, just
bland and too intricate for a SW Movie (which are modeled after silent films). I never connected with
these characters except for K-2SO, his lines helped develop his character and gave him personality.

- Locations - A lot of them. It became confusing and made the film choppy. Did anyone notice every
location was named/subtitled except Mustafar. Why? To surprise us? To me this was too on the nose
as if to be telling us "surprise, here is a cool good part of the movie".

- Tension - I really felt like there was none, except for the third act. I can understand the need for the
rewrites and reshoots as of now. The evidence of shots from the trailers missing in the actual film tells
me this.

- Music - While good, it was not great, this is not MG's fault as he was rushed to take this project on.
Great compositions, just not "scored to the film" well. All SW films has music that flows with
the story, not here, seems slapped on. The reuse of OT riffs help gloss over and hide this issue somewhat.



The Ugly:

- I cannot see how anyone can rate this film above any of the past seven films. While it's "good'. The
crafting of the film is out of line with the other film's style and rhythm (and I don't mean the shaky cam
cinematography or gritty look). I-VII are operatic and so musically oriented that you can watch them
over and over like listening to a good album.

- This feels like a pre-legends, expanded universe novel made into a film with a few "connect the dots
PT/OT references for nostalgia and fan giddiness' sake". It's just flat and cold like most of those novels
were post Zahn's Thawn trilogy.

- This is a SW story made into a movie - not a great film that tells a story. What I mean is... Lucas, Ben
Burt, Joe Johnston, John Williams, J.J Abrams, etc - these are great filmmakers who understood
the CRAFT of filmmaking to tell a great cinematic story. To me this is where RO stands apart
from what has come before and it shows. I am not knocking Gareth Edwards. I see him as a filmmaker
hired to tell a story as opposed to making a great film to serve the story. Maybe this is the
beginning of the corporate SW franchise?

- If not for the last 5 minutes with the Vader rampage and the Tantive IV I think people would have left
feeling underwhelmed. It would be like a great student film on the technical side with no emotional
connection/resonance with the audience. So... he/she uses a pre-established, famous song during the end
scene and credits to do it for him, thus ending on a high note and big applause.

- Lastly, I was more excited for this film than TFA. However, the way I see the writing on the wall thus
far since the mouse gained control of LF is the emergence of many dents in the armor of a
corporate run franchise banking on hitting "spots" of nostalgia in their own SW productions to get by.

In the past we had great filmmakers who knew what worked and what didn't, as well as how and how
not to tell a great story cinematically. This was still apparent in TCW animated series (can’t say
the same for Rebels), in which I never felt I had to sit through to catch the "nostalgic spots" referencing
the PT/ST. I love Rex, Cad Bane and Ahsoka more so than some of the film characters. I had an emotional
investment with them. While not an original story, JJ's TFA managed to get me totally invested in those new
characters more than RO did with it's own new characters.

We often hear of the "Story Group" at Lucasfilm. While I admire and respect their role in maintaining
the franchise, it did not become successful because of story alone nor some type of pop culture savy managers.
It was the result of great filmmakers who loved film, each with their own part to play (in a pre-social media era
when communication skills were much sharper and dynamic as opposed to today, but that is
another topic for another day). Star Wars was a creation of cinema, not narrative alone. In some ways,
it is the opposite of Tolkien and the LOTR/Hobbit, which were great literary works adapted into films by
a great filmmaker. SW is great filmmaking that produced the best cinema and then some other good media to match.

My fear going forward is we may be living in a phase of nostalgic moments and recycled/rehash that can only
last for so long. Rebels’ season 2 Finale with Vader, Maul and Ahsoka has been the only exception thus
far since Disney ran the show – Dave Filoni’s work took us to an original place and pushed the story
forward emotionally and cinematically. This guy is the future of the franchise - he gets it for what it is, the craft,
not because of what he knows about all aspects of SW media or history.

My hope is those at Disney/LF will catch on and course correct the franchise quietly and soon before it becomes
more apparent to the die-hard base and the mainstream audience.


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Just wanted to chime in and let everyone know that I wound up going to see Rogue One because my father wanted to take me. My brother plans to take me to the IMAX version soon..

Before you guys start nitpicking about the captioning a la TFA, I still say wait for the Blu-Ray.


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Great points, Via Antiqua! You're hitting the nail on the head regarding the fundaments of what's been going on with Disney/LFL as of late.


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And which provided better closed captioning, of course.

But current Disney/LFL seems more interested in age regression by the looks of it. In with the old, out with the new. Unsurprising.


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To be fair, we have more than 30 years of Lucas-led LFL history to reflect upon. The modern-era LFL to me, really started in the spring of 2014 with the announcement of the EU reset and the beginning of the filming of TFA. It's also permissible to equally appreciate both eras.


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