Doctor When wrote:... and looks to be half the Jedi that Obi-Wan, Yoda, Ahsoka and the dude from Rebels were... (who were willing to fight on regardless of their personal losses).
CoGro wrote:Doctor When wrote:... and looks to be half the Jedi that Obi-Wan, Yoda, Ahsoka and the dude from Rebels were... (who were willing to fight on regardless of their personal losses).
Yeah, I hear ya...
...oh, remember that time Obi-wan and Yoda went into exile?
CoGro wrote:Doctor When wrote:... and looks to be half the Jedi that Obi-Wan, Yoda, Ahsoka and the dude from Rebels were... (who were willing to fight on regardless of their personal losses).
Yeah, I hear ya...
...oh, remember that time Obi-wan and Yoda went into exile?
CoGro wrote:He tried their way and it blew up in his face
CoGro wrote:You believe that his wanting the Jedi to end was "cowardly," when that's really just you taking on the baggage of two dead Jedi, who were shown (by George) to be part of a flawed dogmatic order, who were also shown (by George) to be wrong in how Luke should deal with Vader, and who are as responsible for the fall of the Jedi order as Sidious. They also both lied to Luke about his family, by the way.
So I ask you: if you're Luke, what do you owe to these two flawed wizards? He tried their way and it blew up in his face (just as it did for the Jedi Order in the PT). So he scoured the galaxy to learn more about the history of the Jedi and he discovered what we, the audience, learned in the PT: that they were a bunch of bureaucratic fuck ups. Remember that time Qui-Got didn't want to free slaves because it was "off mission"? Great guardians of peace and justice, amiright?
Luke is allowed to evaluate the Jedi on his own, and he determined that they aren't worthy guardians of the light side. After seeing their depiction in the PT: I agree. Not to mention, according to Yoda's teaching the Jedi path isn't about taking a heroic path. "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence," right? Doesn't Luke do both of those in TLJ? I'd argue that his Force projection confrontation with Kylo is the MOST Jedi-like act, based on Yoda's teaching, of any Jedi in the entire saga.
I really dug this opinion piece about Luke.
You can disagree with the direction of the character all you want, but don't try and make people feel "wrong" for appreciating a different, albeit challenging, interpretation of a story. If you didn't like the direction of the movie, which has plenty of arguable justification, that's fine but stop trying to make me, or anyone else here, feel like we don't know the canon just because you disagree. Otherwise, this place is not going to be very much fun.
Monari wrote:Don't forget that Luke explicitly tells Rey that "he came to the island to die". I'm surprised none of you have any issues with that tbh.
KyleKartanMG wrote:The hate about this movie is frightening and scary in my eyes. I feel like the fandom is dividing like never before and a part of this fandom trys to destroy the stuff LFL is setting up for sheer reason of not getting what they wanted and fantaszied in their heads.
royalguard96 wrote:This quote perfectly applies to the toxicity of the prequel era as well. Back then, it was message boards. Today, it's social media.
It's not like we're enjoying hating this movie. I tried watching TLJ a second time and couldn't even make it halfway through before turning it off in disgust. This from someone who has watched AOTC repeatedly.
It's honestly heartbreaking and frustrating as hell.
Then get the fuck over yourself.
Monari wrote:couldn't even make it halfway through before turning it off
Bandersnatch wrote:Then get the fuck over yourself.
I fucking hated Return of the Jedi in 1983. Like Prequel fucking hated that fucking movie in 1983.
And then I got the fuck over myself.
There is still no need for ranting over it for 3 months over and over the internet and insulting people involded in making it or fans who like its. People act like they got personaly insulted,threadned or hurt by this film. It's ridiculous. Imagine yourself reading something about you and your work and what kind of bad person you are because of what you produced. Its not constructive in any way. Its toxic.
Monari wrote:
No true Scotsman right? Lol.
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