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Post Posted: May 11th 2018 2:55 am
 
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Not too spoilery but beware...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat- ... m=referral

Gathered from the article's crop of tweeted reactions, the general consensus appears to be somewhere between good and great if not flat-out great to some! Ehrennreich a particular standout among quite a few of the tweets, which should come as a relief to many.

:jammin: :chewbacca:


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SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY SOCIAL MEDIA REACTIONS MASTERPOST:

Positive: https://twitter.com/michelledeidre/stat ... 53154?s=21
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/stat ... 20096?s=21
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/stat ... 41985?s=21
https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/994 ... 19909?s=21
https://twitter.com/clayton_sandell/sta ... 83329?s=21
https://twitter.com/markellislive/statu ... 71584?s=21
https://twitter.com/katerbland/status/9 ... 50626?s=21
https://twitter.com/katerbland/status/9 ... 05728?s=21
https://twitter.com/ajhan/status/994802 ... 12133?s=21
https://twitter.com/woeisjoe/status/994 ... 78144?s=21
https://twitter.com/michelledeidre/stat ... 53154?s=21
https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/99 ... 15456?s=21
https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/99 ... 43200?s=21
https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/99 ... 83072?s=21
https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/99 ... 31937?s=21
https://twitter.com/mikeryan/status/994 ... 23718?s=21
https://twitter.com/mikeryan/status/994 ... 94752?s=21
https://twitter.com/mikeryan/status/994 ... 63172?s=21
https://twitter.com/terri_schwartz/stat ... 88480?s=21
https://twitter.com/terri_schwartz/stat ... 55201?s=21
https://twitter.com/terri_schwartz/stat ... 87425?s=21
https://twitter.com/terri_schwartz/stat ... 19267?s=21
https://twitter.com/rob_keyes/status/99 ... 46690?s=21
https://twitter.com/jennabusch/status/9 ... 74560?s=21
https://twitter.com/thinkhero/status/99 ... 29186?s=21
https://twitter.com/stilljayagain/statu ... 67233?s=21 (A reaction from a fan who’s not a critic)
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/99 ... 15914?s=21
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/99 ... 43424?s=21
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/99 ... 24384?s=21
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/99 ... 40480?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/johncampea/s ... gr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994804286000332800
https://twitter.com/karawarner/status/9 ... 11456?s=20
https://twitter.com/WendyLeeSzany/statu ... 8195270657
https://twitter.com/ThinkHero/status/99 ... 29186?s=20
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimVejvoda/s ... 0535061505
https://twitter.com/jimvejvoda/status/9 ... 18785?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/GermainLussi ... 2245658625
https://twitter.com/brandondavisbd/stat ... 86246?s=21
https://twitter.com/jessebgill/status/9 ... 35105?s=21
https://twitter.com/kristapley/status/9 ... 84896?s=21
https://twitter.com/eeisenberg/status/9 ... 77122?s=21
https://twitter.com/rachelheine/status/ ... 08768?s=21
https://twitter.com/jackijing/status/99 ... 69665?s=21
https://twitter.com/showbizsimon/status ... 52576?s=21
https://twitter.com/futureboy/status/99 ... 86176?s=21
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/ ... 01888?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/scottmendels ... 34016?s=21

Mixed-to-positive reaction: https://twitter.com/pnemiroff/status/99 ... 91745?s=21

Only negative reaction of Solo that I’ve seen so far: https://twitter.com/kristianharloff/sta ... 18209?s=21

Overall, people really think the film is a lot of fun and good and that while Donald Glover steals the show as Lando, Alden Ehrenreich will prove the haters wrong and impress them as young Han Solo. Also, Lando’s droid, Thandie Newton’s character and Chewbacca are standouts in the movie, too. Looks like Disney’s got another winner on their hands at the box office and with people of all ages around the world.


Post Posted: May 15th 2018 6:36 pm
 
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Reviews are up at Rotten Tomatoes and MetaCrtic.

Sounds okay so far. In general, it doesn't seem that the early-ish critical screening is providing any positive momentum. At least, it's not for me.


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Most of the reviews I’ve seen seem to think it’s ok/better than it should have been. But given the general positive critical feedback to TLJ, I now take such things with a hunch pinch of salt.


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I saw this yesterday at a European press screening.

The marketing has completely undersold this film. It's a blast from start to finish.

Ron Howard has done a remarkable job given the circumstances. The action set-pieces and inventive and thrilling. The supporting cast are great. And Alden Ehrenreich nails Han. Which is key.

He is never doing a Ford impersonation but instead just inhabits the character and makes it his own. I never felt for one moment that I was not watching HAN SOLO. And Chewbacca is amazing in this. This is the Chewie I have always wanted to see on screen. In his arm-pulling prime.

I wasn't optimistic going in and had zero expectations but it genuinely surpassed them all. And I'm more surprised than anyone.

Is it perfect? No.

Sigh, Emilia Clarke, I'm sorry to say, isn't great. And there are some clunky moments in the first act. Plus the very end feels a tad rushed and unsatisfying. But they leave it totally open-ended for more adventures and I'd be more than happy to follow these guys on them.


It's a heap of FUN. And it's a perfect palate cleanser for anyone who found Rogue One a soulless slog (like me).

I'm looking forward to seeing this with a paying audience.

In fact, I'm even considering bringing my four year old son to this as his first big screen Star Wars experience (he has seen all the movies bar ROTS)


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Good to hear. Now I am finally looking forward to this.

And of course amongst all the good reviews, there has to be one proclaiming it to be the worst film evah! :lol:
http://www.worldofreel.com/2018/05/solo ... -ever.html


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Bandersnatch wrote:
Good to hear. Now I am finally looking forward to this.

And of course amongst all the good reviews, there has to be one proclaiming it to be the worst film evah! :lol:
http://www.worldofreel.com/2018/05/solo ... -ever.html


Also you should check out the comments where the trolls are congratulate themselves on knowing how bad everything since 1983 is.

Damn our fandom is so f*cked up. I honestly wouldnt be suprised if they turned down the franchise after Ep IX because of the trolling and hating in social media.

Nobody there would say these words they write there to KK if it was face to face. They would cheer at Celebration to her and the actors and bash them in the internet as faceless trolls...ridiculus.


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KyleKartanMG wrote:
Bandersnatch wrote:
Good to hear. Now I am finally looking forward to this.

And of course amongst all the good reviews, there has to be one proclaiming it to be the worst film evah! :lol:
http://www.worldofreel.com/2018/05/solo ... -ever.html


Also you should check out the comments where the trolls are congratulate themselves on knowing how bad everything since 1983 is.

Damn our fandom is so f*cked up. I honestly wouldnt be suprised if they turned down the franchise after Ep IX because of the trolling and hating in social media.

Nobody there would say these words they write there to KK if it was face to face. They would cheer at Celebration to her and the actors and bash them in the internet as faceless trolls...ridiculus.



The amount of profit LFL/Disney is making off these films, I don't think social media trolls are going to stop anything. I am a tad bit curious as to why the subject of the next film hasn't been officially announced.


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royalguard96 wrote:
KyleKartanMG wrote:
Bandersnatch wrote:
Good to hear. Now I am finally looking forward to this.

And of course amongst all the good reviews, there has to be one proclaiming it to be the worst film evah! :lol:
http://www.worldofreel.com/2018/05/solo ... -ever.html


Also you should check out the comments where the trolls are congratulate themselves on knowing how bad everything since 1983 is.

Damn our fandom is so f*cked up. I honestly wouldnt be suprised if they turned down the franchise after Ep IX because of the trolling and hating in social media.

Nobody there would say these words they write there to KK if it was face to face. They would cheer at Celebration to her and the actors and bash them in the internet as faceless trolls...ridiculus.



The amount of profit LFL/Disney is making off these films, I don't think social media trolls are going to stop anything. I am a tad bit curious as to why the subject of the next film hasn't been officially announced.


It’s because they’re still focusing on Solo, first.


Post Posted: May 23rd 2018 12:42 pm
 
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Just came from the theater. Meh.

It was full of action, it looked like Star Wars, sounded like Star Wars but Emilia and Alden just didn't fit in. Both were... not so great.

Lando and Chewie rocked this one. Awsome job from both of them.

I actually became annoyed from all that name dropping. Did it really need to have reference to every single Star Wars movie/game/book/whatever ever made?

It was an okay action movie but had so much more potential.


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That’s a shame... but better than The Last Jedi right (he said hopefully)?


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Saw midnight screening and loved it.

10/10.


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That’s a shame... but better than The Last Jedi right (he said hopefully)?

It was better than the sequels. I don't think it is possible to do movie worse than TLJ.


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Saw Solo and enjoyed it.

I went in with minimal expectations other than expecting a decent Star Wars flick.

The nods in dialogue to the PT were allusions rather than overt (about two specifics that i caught and they were obscure at that)

The opening sequence set the scene nicely ... speed and environment were expertly handled.

AE does a decent job of playing Solo, the same with DG. Playing the characters, not the actors.

EC certainly not as wooden as trailers/clips might have suggested.

The back story regarding criminal activity, is one of the most story rich details that deserves further exploration.

A decent dose of Noir to the SWG told with capable dexterity.


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The Kasdan's have delivered a very good and intermittently smart Star Wars tale. As I expected, the movie is a little too procedural when going through the Han Solo backstory checklist. Regardless, I'm glad that the film was made. Han Solo deserves his own movie - even if the film ultimately steps on the drama of Han seeming to abandon to Luke right before the the attack on the Death Star I. (Of course, he's going to show-up and blast the TIE's - he's a good guy.)

By design, the story rub shoulders with interesting characters and concepts. It's a good idea, but something seems off. Maybe, the movie should have picked one or two elements and taken a deep dive? Or, maybe the story should have been more linear with its momentum to make the ride a little more smoother? Or, maybe the approach is just right, and I'm subconsciously bitter over the fact that the Underworld scripts are sitting on ice in a Disney server. (Dammit, Disney.)

A few thoughts:

* Favreau's voice is distractedly Pre Vizsla's voice.
* Prior to viewing, I read bad things about Clarke's performance. She's solid in the film. So, what gives?
* Did Han's naming scene come from Lucas or the Kasdan's? Either way, it's a well played thought.
* I wish the Pykes spoke and behaved like their Clone Wars counter parts. I like grunting Star Wars aliens. But, it's the Pykes. Their sleaze has depth - use it.
* I really liked meeting Val and L3-37. And, then they were gone.
* I was surprised that movie went so heavy into Lando being a weasel and narcissist. On one level he is, but on another level he's not. I guess he doesn't mature until the end of Empire. Does that make sense?
* As I had read, Glover does a solid job of marrying his performance with his OT counterpart. Neither Ehrenreich nor Suotamo remind me of Ford or Mayhew. That's okay. They do a good job with the material.
* During the credits, I noticed that there were a number of special effects outsourced from ILM. Has this happened with other Disney Star Wars movies?
* The story group did a good job of sprinkling in nerdy Star War shout-outs. Who doesn't want Aurra Sing and Teräs Käsi name-dropped in the same live action movie?
* Han shoots first and it's sad.
* When you-know-who pop-ups of at the end, the inner nerd in me let out a slightly embarrassing lol snort. Immediately, I knew who it was and couldn't believe that he was being used in the film. For me, this a better moment than Vader's hallway slaughter in Rogue One. Thanks to Filoni, he's become one of the most wonderfully complicated and interesting Star Wars characters. So, why not add another curve-ball too his trajectory by including him here - even if his inclusion is only a on-the-nose underlining of the trope "a deal with the devil."
* Was there original music in the film? I only remember hearing a couple short cues from the original Star Wars. Oh wait, there was a couple seconds of choiral music during the train heist. Other than that, the rest of the movie was just sound effects and no music, right?
* I'm not sure what Ron Howard brought to this movie. Right now, I feel as though he was on autopilot with this project. Am I wrong?


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I thought it was great. A star wars movie for fans. I want to see it again, take my dad, take my kids... only saw TLJ one time and that was enough.


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E_CHU_TA! wrote:
Of course, [Han] is going to show-up and blast the TIE's - he's a good guy.
(...)
Favreau's voice is distractedly Pre Vizsla's voice.
(...)
I guess [Lando] doesn't mature until the end of Empire. Does that make sense?
(...)
Was there original music in the film? I only remember hearing a couple short cues from the original Star Wars.


I wouldn't agree Han ends up as a 100% good guy. Good guys don't shoot first and tend to lose innocence when betrayed. I think we'll see Han going along the cynical path in "Solo" sequels (which I suspect WILL happen rather soon).
Favreau's voice was distracting for more than one reason. Generally, in my opinion, English should be aliens' second language, heavily accented and so on.
Your Lando suggestion makes perfect sense. We were lucky to see (in 1980) the pivotal moment in life of this card-cheating, droid-loving, cape-obsessed gigolo ;) .
About the music - my thoughts exactly. And the particularly sad thing is that I could not tell what is that famous "Han theme" composed by Williams. Was it there at all? The music felt generic, except for these precious moments when it quoted the classic soundtrack. Perhaps it could be worse - after all it didn't work against the mood of scenes, didn't slow or ridicule the action and so on. But was it memorable? Hell no.

All in all, I liked "Solo" very much. I always considered "the mistical Force thing" to be essential part of Star Wars but this film proves I was wrong. It's pure fun, especially for nerdy fans ;) . "Fan service", by the way, in this case is not an insult.


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I wish TLJ had a tad more fan service. This movie reminded me of that.


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Went in with low expectations. That really helped it. Still an unneeded movie, but it was ok. I found it had a lot of cool references for more hardcore fans.

I like how they kinda made the Imperial March part of the imperial recruiting campaign. Neat touch. That's the most spoilery thing I'll say in this thread.


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For years, insiders have been effusive in their praise of Kasdans' Solo script. Although I've despised the idea of a Han Solo film from day one, it was this spark, and then the inspired hiring of Lord and Miller, that made me think this had a chance to maybe possibly work. When Howard took over I had the same "meh" response that most people did, but I hoped that the movie would at least be competently made despite the fact that Howard has been throwing stinker after stinker up on the screen over the last ten years (his Da Vinci trilogy is C-level shlock).

The trailers gave me a bit more hope - "I like this grungy Star Wars setting! A pristine-looking Falcon feels cool! Donald Glover looks like Lando! This feels like it's going to be one of those hot-rod racer cowboy movies!" Knowing that everybody expected this to be a giant clusterfuck because of the behind-the-scenes drama, I actually found myself rooting for it to be good (kind of like Ant Man) and be the surprise hit of the summer (if Star Wars could ever be a "surprise hit).

I have never been less excited to see a Star Wars movie, but I was interested to see if this one could defy the odds and deliver something magical. The mixed reactions further tempered my expectations, so I'd say this film had nowhere to go but up.

As a movie, it's a giant meh. A pedestrian film in every way, built off a surprisingly weak script.

As a Star Wars movie, it does not even come close to justifying it ever being produced. I'm not a reactionary "I'm done with Star Wars!" guy, so I'm not going get all dramatic about it, but this film is just not worthy of the brand. Even the prequels feel weightier and more cinematic.

I'll get into my extended thoughts when I can, but there's little for me to like, appreciate or even understand with Solo. There is literally zero character development in the entire film, and whatever arc Han has makes no sense in the context of his greater narrative.

I've been an ardent defender of Kathy Kennedy since day one, but after this one it's clear that she can't have creative control over Star Wars. Let her produce, let her run the business, but either promote Filoni or sign Feige once he's done his Marvel contract. I don't want to see more of these worthless spin offs that add nothing interesting to the canon and detract from what we love about these beloved characters.

This is the first time, even including the prequels, that I've felt like Star Wars is becoming a B-franchise. It makes Star Wars feel less special, less of an event. The quality of the film is below that benchmark.

I'll check back in later.


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I agree with a lot of the comments above. While the movie was much better than I thought it was going to be, and largely enjoyable, it was disposable and pedestrian.

AE was better than I thought he'd be. Waller Bridge is excellent as L3. Glover is good as Lando. The script from the Kasdans wasn't as strong as I expected (I thought that would be the strong point, if any, to the film), but it isn't terrible.

Ultimately, it's harmless fun and not the worst thing to come out of this Disney Star Wars era.


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Much in the way it happened with Lucas and the Prequels, I unfortunately think that there's been a mythology built-up around Kasdan's scripting ability that (between Solo and TFA) doesn't necessarily mesh with a mediocre reality.


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Much in the way it happened with Lucas and the Prequels, I unfortunately think that there's been a mythology built-up around Kasdan's scripting ability that (between Solo and TFA) doesn't necessarily mesh with a mediocre reality.


Kasdan was on fire in the early 80s, which coincides with his early 30s. Empire and Raiders are two of the greatest action/adventure screenplays of all time. Body Heat is a great noir. He had a couple of other decent movies in that timeframe. Sustaining that level would be damn near impossible. Since then, he's done very little of acclaim. Much like Lucas - and a lot of artists - he peaked. It happens. Pretty often, actually, especially in Hollywood.

That said, he's still a solid writer. The stories behind TFA & Solo are fine, and the dialogue is pretty decent. The execution, maybe less so.


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I was at a 2:30 p.m. Friday screening. The theater was packed. The laughs were plenty, and there was an audible reaction to the revelation close to the end. If you've seen the film, you know what I'm talking about, I won't spoil it here.

AE was totally believable as Han, and I did detect tangible character development in him. CoGro, you're this board's most thoughtful member, but I respectfully disagree with you on this particular point. Han, Qi'ra, Chewie and Beckett all ended the movie much different people than what they started as. My biggest disappointment with the ST thus far is the lack of character development in Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo. Perhaps the detection of character development is a subjective one. But in my judgement, the 4 main characters of the ST have traversed painfully little ground over two films compared to similar character trajectories we saw from ANH to ESB, and from TPM to AOTC. The ST doesn't have the time span working for it the way the others did, but that time span was also a creative choice consciously made by LFL.

I felt like I witnessed Han go through developmental stages within one film. I bought his journey and took the journey with him.

I was grinning throughout far more of this film than TLJ, or any movie I've seen in quite a while. Lots of Raiders of the Lost Ark elements throughout the plot. They get into one mess, only to fall into another. It's an effective tool when properly used, and this was very well done. The cinematography was as good as I've ever seen it in a Star Wars film. The music was fast-paced and consistent with the action on screen. The TIE Fighter fight was splendid fun, and the score shined in this sequence.

The way the film ends leaves many, many threads open for future projects.

I also went in unsure where precisely this film was set in the overall timeline. The big reveal at the end answers this question definitively. There'a another, controversial take about Han that also gets definitively answered towards the end of the film.

It was great to see in-context references to elements from every era of the saga.

There was less Lando in this film than I'd have guessed, but it didn't leave me wanting more, either. He wasn't overrated or underrated, more like properly rated. The evolution of L3's character was also quite cleverly done.

My approach to Star Wars is probably unique. While I don't mind evaluating the films on a critical level, that is not how I view them at the first or 50th viewing. They are escapist, meaningful entertainment, something I have personally leaned upon in my life for decades. I also view these films as stories that have already happened, and we are being shown snippets of them every so often. I went from ages 10-26 with no Star Wars, and that time deepened my love and appreciation for what these films mean to me, something that has only been enhanced in the 7 films and 2 TV shows we've gotten since 1999. Here we sit, in May of 2018, having gotten 4 Star Wars films in 2 1/2 years. It will be 19 months before we get another. I, for one, feel incredibly fortunate to have this in my life.


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I just came back from seeing it, and this movie was a whole hell of a lot better than I expected. So much so, that I no longer remember what I expected.

There are only a couple of minor nit-picky elements that bugged me:
Having "Solo: A Star Wars Story" on the screen, in logo form, seemed a little silly. Why not just "Solo." No big deal, though.
Someone in my audience whispered, loudly, "I thought he was dead" in response to a certain holographic cameo near the end. Why not just make that the Emperor, instead of a character most of the general movie-going public don't know came back to life in an animated series?

Other than that, I thought this was great fun. It didn't strike me as "box-ticking" every time there was a reference to something of the past or a nod to the future. Ron Howard gets Star Wars, and it shows here. Yet the movie is also a bit darker and adult than I thought it would be. There may even be more profanity in Solo than there has been in any other SW movie.

I totally bought into the new actors as young Solo and Lando, and I really didn't expect to at all.

Overall, it was a fun ride but also basically just an expensive side bar to the main Star Wars saga, but I guess that's what these "Star Wars Stories" are meant to be.


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My impressions:

Just one viewing, the good, the bad, the ugly and my own 2 cents:


THE GOOD:

- Pacing - Well paced by a proven director - he did a good job, very fun, unpretentious. He should do the next two Solo films.
- I loved all the locations.
- Feed him to the beast - Chewie! - Liked that part.
- Woody was great.
- Lando was fantastic.
- This was fun, funny and unpretentious, the opposite of TLJ and to an extent R1.
- The Score – I loved the music, but did not get the whole Solo theme by JW.
- I like the crimson dawn cameo because I loved CW and Rebels.

- The story was good, expected more.


THE BAD:

- Dialogue - Since R1, the movies have too much dialogue - Lucas designed the films as silent movies, it’s noticeable they do not follow this structure (JJ gets this right too).

- Alien Continuity - Aliens look great but please pepper in more classic SW aliens here and there. It’s a major disconnect from continuity and it stands out.


THE UGLY:

- Editing - never liked the editing in RH films, cuts are jarring to me. On that note, all SW films should have wipe transitions as a standard.

- The orchestration of sound & music with the visuals - better, but still miss Ben Burt. R1, TLJ lacked it completely. This is the key to people watch these movies again & again, it’s operatic.

- Lando's Big-Butted droid. Annoying and unnecessary. Oh, and she's a sexbot too-wow! If we're supposed to ponder the meaning & complexity of a pansexual Lando then this franchise got bigger problems!

- These new movies feel like the cinematic version of the expanded universe. It’s still seems generic and forgetful. The prequels still had the resonance of the OT, CW did too.


My Own 2 Cents:

- How I felt after the credits rolled – meh, good! Didn’t leave pumped, audience did not either. I last left Pumped with TFA, cuz JJ gets it.

- My 13-year-old daughter’s reaction – just meh. She was most excited about the cameo because she loves CW and Rebels and knows the whole story.

- If they go this route with cameos, I pray they use Ahsoka for IX. Let her deal with Kylo instead of re-casting Leia. She was Anakin’s student and would be a nice touch to Anakin’s story with the trilogy films. Remember, this trilogy is really about Anakin’s legacy. Ahsoka is loved, unlike Holdo.

- Dave Filoni is still the best thing they got going for them.

- I’d dump the story group before KK. Let her be CEO and Filoni should be CCO.

- The story group people are out of touch, like college professors/SJ students who are using a soapbox to push other agendas (or it's possible it's coming from Disney, not them) – I feel RJ is in this camp too.

- The nature of The Star Wars Show really doesn’t help either as it's mostly an annoying advertisement/variety show. I miss Rick MaCullum’s brass tacks enthusiasm about filmmaking... period.

- JJ will turn things around with IX but he’s more Star Trek/save the whales/raging action than the fun, emotional charm & mythology of Filoni/Lucas - and the latter is never polarizing.

- I still think Rey is a Kenobi and the next SW story will deal with Kenobi. They better get it right.

- For goodness sake, please hire proven directors and pay the $$$ and don’t be so worried about control. I wanna see Joe Johnston, John Farvaru, Kenneth Branaugh, etc. I don't care if it's a woman, so long as she's good and she gets it. LF has probably spent more on the reshoots for these anthology movies than it would actually cost for these proven directors. Look up the quote by Ridley Scott on this issue – says alot.


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Explanatory LA Times article (copied below): Solo: A Star Wars Story' writers Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan on spoilers, sequels and why Han shot first

Lawrence Kasdan is an Obi-Wan-like figure in the “Star Wars” universe, having worked on the screenplays for “The Empire Strikes Back,” “Return of the Jedi” and, later, “The Force Awakens.” So when Lucasfilm first began exploring the idea of a spinoff film centered on a young Han Solo, he was the first person they called.

In turn, the first person the 69-year-old Kasdan called to help him crack the script was his son, Jonathan, 38, a writer and director in his own right who had grown up immersed in all things “Star Wars.”

With “Solo: A Star Wars Story” — directed by Ron Howard and starring Alden Ehrenreich as the rakish smuggler — now playing across the country, The Times sat down with the father-and-son team to talk about the enduring appeal of the Solo character, the project’s bumpy history, the surprising appearance of a once-dead villain and why Han most definitely shot first.

When you were first approached about five years ago with the idea for this project, was there anything more to it at that point than “young Han Solo”?

Lawrence: No, that was it. I was reluctant to do anything, but Han is my favorite character so I said, “Hmm.” But I was given total, complete free reign to do whatever I wanted to with Han.

Back when you were working on “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi,” had you ever given much thought to what Han’s backstory might have been?

Lawrence: No. To me, all character writing is you take a little DNA and you project what the rest of that person is, what shaped him. And the DNA of Han is in the cantina scene [in 1977’s “A New Hope”]. What excited me about Han starts right at that scene. He’s a full character who wanders into this movie and he’s all these things — and it’s all conveyed in, like, two and a half minutes. Even his relationship with Chewie is in that tiny little moment.

Jonathan: If you dig deep enough, George [Lucas] has given reams of discussion on every topic, and some of it is really interesting and cool — and some of it found its way into the movies that Larry wrote back in the ’80s in such elegant ways. “I won her from you fair and square” is just a great line that implies all this stuff. So we knew we were going to be totally faithful to what of the backstory we knew but, more important, design “Solo” like a western or a crime movie.

This movie isn’t a conventional origin story in the sense that we’ve come to expect from superhero movies. When we meet Han, he’s already well on his way to being the guy we will meet in “A New Hope.”

Lawrence: Right. He’s not a baby, but he hasn’t been formed — and he’s going to continue to be formed right up until he falls off the bridge in “The Force Awakens.” [Director Akira] Kurosawa said the villains are completely formed; the heroes are evolving. And Han is a real hero.

When Phil Lord and Chris Miller were initially announced as the directors of “Solo,” a lot of fans took that as a sign that this would be the first full-on “Star Wars” comedy, sort of a “21 Jump Street” in space. Was that ever actually on the table?

Lawrence: I didn’t see it that way because they committed to our script.

Jonathan: They didn’t see it that way either — and I think if they were in the room with us now they would adamantly say that was never their intention. That wasn’t the movie they were making.

The reason we were excited about them, and the reason they were a great fit for this, is that they were both incredibly funny and they had this visual inventiveness that you see in “The Lego Movie.” The comic ideas in the images were so clear that it felt like a great marriage to us with this character. And what they did bring to the movie is very real and very palpable in a lot of the sense of humor and the aesthetic. And Larry is in there just as much, and there’s me too and Ron. It’s really the five of us having created the sound of this particular one.

With everything that was reported about their replacement by Ron Howard, some fans will inevitably watch the movie and try to figure out who did what.

Jonathan: That’s one of the myriad things that’s so hard about a situation like this is that any reporting surrounding it is going to be wrong. Particularly when you get blind sources and it’s an actor on the set or something — that’s just not someone who has the access to have seen what went down in any kind of way. And the five or six people who did were not talking to anybody in that kind of detail. So you find yourself in the unenviable position of sort of relating to Trump where you’re like, “Oh, I get what he means when he says ‘fake news.’ ” [laughs]

Lawrence: [dryly] I can’t get that far. My brother used to say, “I’m going to tell you something, but it’s oversimplified and therefore false” — and that’s stuck with me my whole life. You understand why things are reported that way, but you don’t accept it as being the truth.

At the end of this movie, Han shoots Beckett first, which a lot of fans will take as a nod to the fact that Han originally shot Greedo first in “A New Hope” before Lucas changed it in a later “special edition” re-release. How important was that moment to you?

Lawrence: It’s very important for me. It’s one of the few things that I just wanted resolved. And Jon was with me 100%. Because it’s the way it was.

Jonathan: It’s such an important thing about the character: This is a guy who lives in a world where you need to be able to do that. The thing about “Han shot first” speaks directly to the moral ambiguity element. We wanted to make a “Star Wars” movie that existed in a universe where Han could shoot first and where characters didn’t have to be all good and all bad.

Lawrence: Which is really the one that George created and had second thoughts about.

Have you talked to Lucas about that?

Lawrence: Well, he loves this movie. He saw it before the premiere, and he has really embraced it.

Jonathan: On one of the first days we were in London when Ron had taken over, George came out to set. He was going to stop by and spend, like, 20 minutes, and he spent, like, four hours. He just loved being there with Ron shooting on the Millennium Falcon. You could see him finding some real pleasure in it again, which was really kind of lovely. He would suggest things and listen to takes. It was a delight.

The appearance of Darth Maul at the end surprised a lot of people who have only seen the “Star Wars” movies because he dies in the prequels. Until I googled it, I didn’t know he’d been brought back in “The Clone Wars” TV series.

Jonathan: Larry was in the same boat.

Lawrence: I was like, “What? I thought he got cut in half! That usually does you in.”

Jonathan: No, it doesn’t, particularly with “Star Wars” technology. [laughs]

The thing I’ll say about it is that he’s a character that, like Darth Vader, worked on a primal level for people. He touches on something fundamental in our psyche, and in those three movies, he, to me, was the most powerful bit of psychological imagery. I think that’s why fans were drawn to him and why the canon was eager to tell more stories about him. In a galaxy populated with very dangerous people, he’s always been in the top group of dangerous people. So the opportunity to put him in the movie and give him the element of these mechanical legs, which rhyme with Luke’s mechanical hand — it seemed like it could work.

This movie definitely leaves some plot threads that could be explored in future sequels. Do you have ideas of where you’d like to see things go from here?

Jonathan: We have thoughts definitely. We wanted to leave it as pregnant with dramatic possibility, and with people that you wanted to see, as it could be. For me, as fun as that Chewie entrance is, I think seeing Han and Chewie with Jabba [the Hutt] could have equal amounts of fun. I would go to that movie in a heartbeat. I was very passionate that it ended with the promise that they’re going to go meet that guy, not because I thought it was a great tease but because I thought Alden as Han was ready for that.

Lawrence: And it’s certainly not the debt that he owes Jabba in “A New Hope.” There’s ten years of business dealings.

Jonathan: It’s going to be a long, complicated relationship between those two guys. And [Emilia Clarke’s] Qi’ra is not done in Han’s life. So yeah, we’d love to tell more stories there.

This interview has been condensed and edited.


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I was at a 2:30 p.m. Friday screening. The theater was packed. The laughs were plenty, and there was an audible reaction to the revelation close to the end. If you've seen the film, you know what I'm talking about, I won't spoil it here.

AE was totally believable as Han, and I did detect tangible character development in him. CoGro, you're this board's most thoughtful member, but I respectfully disagree with you on this particular point. Han, Qi'ra, Chewie and Beckett all ended the movie much different people than what they started as. My biggest disappointment with the ST thus far is the lack of character development in Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo. Perhaps the detection of character development is a subjective one. But in my judgement, the 4 main characters of the ST have traversed painfully little ground over two films compared to similar character trajectories we saw from ANH to ESB, and from TPM to AOTC. The ST doesn't have the time span working for it the way the others did, but that time span was also a creative choice consciously made by LFL.

I felt like I witnessed Han go through developmental stages within one film. I bought his journey and took the journey with him.

I was grinning throughout far more of this film than TLJ, or any movie I've seen in quite a while. Lots of Raiders of the Lost Ark elements throughout the plot. They get into one mess, only to fall into another. It's an effective tool when properly used, and this was very well done. The cinematography was as good as I've ever seen it in a Star Wars film. The music was fast-paced and consistent with the action on screen. The TIE Fighter fight was splendid fun, and the score shined in this sequence.

The way the film ends leaves many, many threads open for future projects.

I also went in unsure where precisely this film was set in the overall timeline. The big reveal at the end answers this question definitively. There'a another, controversial take about Han that also gets definitively answered towards the end of the film.

It was great to see in-context references to elements from every era of the saga.

There was less Lando in this film than I'd have guessed, but it didn't leave me wanting more, either. He wasn't overrated or underrated, more like properly rated. The evolution of L3's character was also quite cleverly done.

My approach to Star Wars is probably unique. While I don't mind evaluating the films on a critical level, that is not how I view them at the first or 50th viewing. They are escapist, meaningful entertainment, something I have personally leaned upon in my life for decades. I also view these films as stories that have already happened, and we are being shown snippets of them every so often. I went from ages 10-26 with no Star Wars, and that time deepened my love and appreciation for what these films mean to me, something that has only been enhanced in the 7 films and 2 TV shows we've gotten since 1999. Here we sit, in May of 2018, having gotten 4 Star Wars films in 2 1/2 years. It will be 19 months before we get another. I, for one, feel incredibly fortunate to have this in my life.


Could not have said it better. The last sentence of yours so speaks to me and my point of view of SW. I just love to get into this world again and again.

Unfotunatly for the sympathic cast and crew (around Ron Howard) the movie didnt perform well it's first weekend at the boxoffice. I'd love to see it beeing sucsessfull and hope for a good word of mouth. Still marketing for this film IMO was bad! I loved the movie. The cast was great IMO and this was the first small scale SW movie, no galaxy wide conflict which was at staked. It was fun and thrilling and pure feel good enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that.

Can't wait for my next view and the bluray!


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Finally, a new Star Wars film that feels like a Star Wars film. Yes, it’s not a film that needed to be made. Yes, the editing style is a bit over the place, a little too many winks to the camera and a massively underwhelming score... but beneath that is the first Disney era Star Wars film that makes an emotional connection (to me anyway). So much better than The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi it kind of hurts. It’s the look and feel that the sequels should have had... 7/10.


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After letting this sit a few days, I think I can say that this is the first Star Wars movie that I will not see a second time in theatres and that I really don't care to see again.

I went on Thursday night and the theatre was more than half empty. I have never experienced that for a Star Wars movie before. It looks like Solo is set to severely underperform at the BO (originally projected to do $175M for the holiday weekend and will likely end the 3-day weekend at $95-100M), which hopefully LF internalizes as this being a dreadful ($250M) mistake.

Listen, I just can't separate Han Solo from Harrison Ford and I acknowledge that's going to be a problem for me before I even walk into the theatre. But as I said before, the marketing started to get me and did have hope that I could be surprised. I say this because the majority of my issues with Solo are at a filmmaking level. Yes, I've got a few nits but they would have been forgivable if I thought the film worked overall.

I'll start with what I thought worked:

- the set design, and practical settings are great, as is typical with this new batch of Star Wars. Like the movies or not, it's not like the production design teams are mailing it in. I liked how Corellia was imagined as a Detroit-like industrial urban wasteland. I wish we got to see more of the city, rather than the Flint, Michigan-esque industrial outskirts, but I dug that. It makes total sense that Han would come from a place like that.

- I really liked the creature design. Mother Proxima felt like something I'd seen in Total Recall. Straight out of the 80s in appearance and performance. I agree that it would be nice to see more of the OT/PT creatures, but that would be more of a nit for me.

- The idea of the Kessel run behind a treacherous path to the planet, which required flyers to navigate on/off world via number of checkpoints was very neat.

- References to the other movies: Liked how Lando's salute to Han in ROTJ was worked into something he had done with L3; Lando's skiff disguise; "fair and square!" might have been my favourite line of the movie; using the Imperial March as diegetic music was cute, and I loved hearing it on Mimban.

- Darth Maul's clone wars/rebels backstory making it into a feature film was very cool to see. His igniting his lightsaber was silly and unnecessary, though.

- Threepio having difficulty communicating with the Falcon makes a bit more sense now. L3 is a giant pain in the ass (but she's sassy!).

- Alden's performance. Yes, even despite the fact that I don't think this film works as a Han Solo origin story, a heist movie or a Star Wars underworld movie, I think he did the best he could to channel the spirit of the character and try and make it his own. I definitely had to force myself to believe that this was Han Solo, and I never got there, but it's not his fault. This entire production was a fool's errand.

- Donald's performance. I don't think there was ever a doubt that Gambino would deliver here, but the mountain was far less steep to climb. Billy Dee Williams is awesome, and his Lando is still the guy I'll always think of, but he ain't the star of Harrison Ford.

- The pacing. I can't say this film didn't move, or engage me for two hours and change. I had some fun with it, but in the same way I'd say I had fun with Jurassic Park 3. A competently made film by a director who can get us from point A to point B, but with a story that is frustratingly pedestrian, which for franchises of the caliber of Star Wars or Jurassic Park feels painful to experience. Even the action beats don't feel clever; they're simply competent. What was interesting about the conveyex heist? Two guys unhook the car with the goods, Val blows the bridge, Beckett hooks the car so it can be lifted by the freighter. So what? We've seen this kind of stunt dozens of times before and done better. This is even dumber when you stop to consider why the Empire would even need to transport important materials through treacherous terrain when they have fucking spaceships.

That's a good segway to what I don't think works:

- There are far too many moments where I felt like the script wasn't just taking lazy shortcuts to progress the plot, it was being flat out stupid. For example, saying your plan for getting through customs is to bribe the Imperial officer, and then it just working according to plan, is ridiculous in a movie like this. They play this scene like it's some kind of exchange, except Han takes a leap of faith and gives the goods without the door being opened. So after she gets the stuff, why again does this POLICE OFFICER have reason to give him what he wants? They’re space Nazis, but apparently this woman is so honourable that she lets this thief pass, even though she could have gotten what she wanted AND become a hero for detaining a criminal. This absolutely made no god damn sense to me. It was manufactured simply to separate Han from Q'ira. The script is full of this kind of shit.

- Han…Solo. I actually don’t hate the idea of Solo not being Han's birth name, but for this scrub of an Imperial recruitment officer to name him felt strange and meta. If Han had come up with the name himself in that moment, realizing that he’s on his own now with nobody to trust but himself, I might not have had as much a problem with it. Still, it is the answer to a question absolutely nobody cared to ask.

- Alright, so in the opening act this movie tells us that it's going to be about Han’s journey to becoming a great pilot, right? So why do we skip over his entire time at the academy where he, you know, learned to fly? This is supposed to be the guy's reason for being - his superpower - but we don't know if he's ever any good by the time he joins Beckett; he just keeps telling us he's a great flyer. For an origin story, this feels completely unearned and relies entirely on what we know of Han from the other movies. That's the massive problem with this script - it doesn't even fucking know what this movie's about. Is it about Han becoming a pilot? His love affair with the Falcon? Is it about him trying to find a way to get home to his girl so they can run away together (he doesn't need to be a pilot, or own a ship to do this, by the way)? Is it about him meeting Chewbacca and building a friendship that will last a lifetime? Is it about Han getting his stuff, like his trusty DL-44 (also an answer to a question nobody asked)? Is it about him turning on the Empire after realizing it's up to no good? Is it about Han getting wrapped up in the wrong business and becoming an outlaw? For some reason the film also thinks it could be about the formation of the rebellion. Ultimately, it can't be all of these things and expect to do any of them well, and it doesn't.

- OK, so let's back up a second. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the film is the stuff that's not in it, namely that Han Solo got kicked out of the academy. Why did he clash with his superiors? How did he end up as an infantry grunt? I'm imagining a sort of Top Gun in space, which could totally have worked because Han IS that maverick. Funny enough, the best movie Ron Howard has directed in the last decade was Rush, which could have totally translated to the character and action beats of this film. Missed opportunity.

- The film tries to squeeze all the lore we know about the character Han Solo (how he met Chewie, how he got his blaster, how he met Lando, how he won the Falcon, the Kessel run, how he came to work for Jabba, etc) in one movie, and means to tell us that this all happened over the span of a week. Think to your own life for a second, and everything that defines you as an individual: how does this make any goddamn sense? I get it - it's a movie - but it's the absolute worst case scenario of what a Han Solo prequel would be.

- I guess we don’t really need to learn how Han learned to speak Shyriiwook but I have got to think there was a better set up for Han meeting Chewie (namely, after he was kicked out of the academy, being sent to work in the spice mines with the Wookiees) and one that would better explain how he picked up this language that nobody except three known human characters (including Obi-wan) have understood. I’ll admit this is a sheep nit but considering this movie DOES go to Kessel, the planet that’s famous for using wookiees as slaves, it seems strange that Han meets Chewie on Mimban.

- Forget a Han Solo origin story, this film fails as a heist movie. When I think of great heist movies, in my mind the most important set of scenes are those that deal with the planning/preparation of the heist. That’s how the stakes are set up, and it’s actually what gets us emotionally invested with its execution. None of this really happens in Solo, so I didn’t really care about the conveyex job (or the characters who perish during it) and aside from knowing what the “goal” was for the Kessel job, I could hardly get excited about the execution of that sequence because there was no build up to it. It just felt like random things were happening, which eventually leads to a firefight. Compare this with Ant Man, the Marvel “heist movie,” where the film takes its time plotting out the implications for failure and the heroes’ recipe for success so that the Yellow Jacket job actually has emotional stakes. It’s not like I’d ordinarily use Ant Man as an example of an exemplary heist movie, it’s just that it accomplishes the job that much better than Solo (and it’s also the child of a troubled production).

- So what was the actual arc for Han in this film? And how doesn't his support for the rebels in the last act cheapen his character development in the OT? He’s optimistic at the beginning of Solo, a good guy, and he’s practically the same dude at the end of the film. If we really wanted to tell an origin story for the Han Solo we meet in ANH, shouldn’t it have been the story of how he went from being a selfless optimist to selfish pessimist? We never get any world weariness from this Han Solo, and we even end the movie with his spirits having never been higher. <But CoGro! He shot first! Good guys don't shoot first!> Lousy fan service is not character development. This is the type of prequel that makes the original films worse.

- Do we really buy Q’ira’s turn? Is it a turn? Is she even evil? Why would she be evil? I honestly do not understand what this character wants to accomplish in this movie or in her life. I don’t believe that this is a performance problem, because I actually didn’t mind Clarke in the film, I just don’t know what motivates this person since we never get to see her in a scene where she isn’t subservient to the other characters. We never see the world from her perspective. She just keeps saying some version of "I'm not the person who I used to be." That isn't character development. Maybe her desire to be a crime boss would have made more sense had the script allowed us to spend time with her independently.

- I'm this far into talking about the film and I haven't said the name Woody Harrelson. Not that he wasn't alright, but because I found the character Beckett pretty forgettable. He's the guy who tells Han not to trust anyone...because by saying this, the audience can believe that Han will develop into someone who doesn't trust anyone.

- So, the Kessel run is set up to be the major set piece of the film, but I didn’t feel the weight of it in the moment. And I might be forgetting something, but is it ever actually explained what the Kessel run is? The fact that I’m having to figure this out without the movie explicitly providing this information makes the entire sequence feel underserved. This is literally the thing Han Solo and the Falcon are known for - hell, IT’S THE REASON WHY YOU’D MAKE A HAN SOLO MOVIE TO BEGIN WITH - and it just happens ho hum.

- Referencing the asteroid field music reminded me a far, far better movie.

- The opening titles looked awkward and cheap.

- I really don’t want Darth Maul to figure into any future Solo movies. I also don’t want there to be any future Solo movies.

- Not only does John Williams’ theme for Han Solo feel invisible in the film, but when you actually listen to it, it doesn’t feel like a Han Solo theme at all. It doesn’t remind me of a rogue smuggler: it feels heroic and majestic, which is supposed to be the opposite of who Han is at this time of his life.

- Please, no more token droids in these movies. Not every Star Wars story needs one.

Long post but yeah, despite having a bad feeling about this movie since it was rumoured in 2012, I actually think there was a way to make it tell a story I’d enjoy. Strangely, this might be the script that had the most time and attention paid to it of any of the new movies. Unfortunately, I think it gets more wrong than it does right. A truly baffling effort from Kasdan.

If you enjoyed the film, good on you. I'm happy you had a fun time at the movies. I just can't see how this movie represents anything but the demystifying of this character and the cheapening of this brand.

EDIT: $83M opening weekend, which is putrid. I hope this answers the only question anyone could have asked about a Han Solo movie, which is: does anybody want to see this? Answer: No. Not really.


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Well I think that’s part of the challenge... As charismatic as Ford was, Han Solo was always a little 2-dimensional and peripheral... so writing a film about how Han becomes Han Solo was always going to be somewhat unengaging. He was never the central character nor a character of mystery where an origin story was needed. However, I think Kasdan understood that the script/film would rely heavily on portraying the origins of Han’s relationships (most notably Chewie and Lando), and I think that’s where the film is much more successful. So yes, Solo: A Star Wars Story is a film that few people wished for/expected, but as a cinematic aside, and in a world where Star Wars is increasingly ubiquitous, Solo is at the very least far more engaging/entertaining than the sequels (IMO).


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Nicely written, GoGro. I can't say I agree with everything you wrote, but I certainly understand your point of view.

CoGro wrote:
For some reason the film also thinks it could be about the formation of the rebellion.

I don't think Enfys Nest and company are the Rebellion or an early formation of it. They are pirates and victims of the Empire and who are trying to survive. Not that some of them wouldn't eventually join the Rebel Alliance in the future.


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- I really don’t want Darth Maul to figure into any future Solo movies.

I totally agree. Like I said before, why not just have her talk to a holographic Emperor. The general audience would get who he is, and not be confused as to why a character from The Phantom Menace isn't dead after being cut in half years earlier.


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^ Two-tubes was part of her gang, and she does say "rebellion," which I think was an intentional nod that this (along with other cells around the galaxy) would be the spark of what would become the rebellion.

And agree about Maul. Guys like us will dig it because it rewards our knowledge of the extended canon, but it's totally WTF for everyone else. I went to see it with a few friends, none of whom watch Clone Wars or Rebels but are at least casual fans, and instead of this being a "holy crap" moment it was just met with a giant "HUH?"


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I thought the Rebellion had already sparked before the time of this story.


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To me, it seemed like the Cloud Riders are assisting the some type of Rebels faction of who will become a part of the Alliance. Between the books, comics, and Story Group videos, everything gets explained. So, stay tuned.

CoGro wrote:
There are far too many moments where I felt like the script wasn't just taking lazy shortcuts to progress the plot, it was being flat out stupid. For example, saying your plan for getting through customs is to bribe the Imperial officer, and then it just working according to plan, is ridiculous in a movie like this. They play this scene like it's some kind of exchange, except Han takes a leap of faith and gives the goods without the door being opened. So after she gets the stuff, why again does this POLICE OFFICER have reason to give him what he wants? They’re space Nazis, but apparently this woman is so honourable that she lets this thief pass, even though she could have gotten what she wanted AND become a hero for detaining a criminal. This absolutely made no god damn sense to me. It was manufactured simply to separate Han from Q'ira. The script is full of this kind of shit.

I buy the sequence mentioned above. The Officer would give Han and Q'ira access so as not to draw attention to the bribery. The Empire would confiscate the "coaxium" from the Officer. So, she allows Han to go and Q'ira to be accosted so that attention isn't drawn to herself.

You make solid points about the other "shortcuts" in the film.

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CoGro wrote:
- I really don’t want Darth Maul to figure into any future Solo movies.

I totally agree. Like I said before, why not just have her talk to a holographic Emperor. The general audience would get who he is, and not be confused as to why a character from The Phantom Menace isn't dead after being cut in half years earlier.

I'm not sure that Sidiuous makes sense. Why would he need to helm the Empire and a crime family?

During the Clone Wars, Maul appropriated the Black Sun and made a run at the Hutts. So, it makes complete sense that would doing the same type of skulduggery during the Empire's rule.

In the LA times article I linked above, Jonathan Kasdan stated that Maul is used becuase he is


"a character that, like Darth Vader, worked on a primal level for people. He touches on something fundamental in our psyche, and in those three movies, he, to me, was the most powerful bit of psychological imagery."

I get the "general audience" confusion with Maul. But, anyone with a smart-phone can get quick answer about his status after TPM. Marvel gets to do this stuff - why can't Star Wars?

Here's an article about the movie's inability to meet box office proejctions: "Will Soft 'Solo' Box Office Cause Disney to Rethink 'Star Wars' Strategy?" Here's a key statement:


"While the studio isn't abandoning its plan to release one Star Wars feature per year, insiders concede Disney and Lucasfilm aren't likely to release two Star Wars movie so close together again, regardless of whether they are anthology films, like Solo, which tells of Han Solo's beginnings, or part of the official episodes, like Star Wars: The Force Awakens and its follow-up, The Last Jedi."


Post Posted: May 28th 2018 10:41 am
 

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Bringing Darth Maul back is a no brainer. He’s probably the most iconic ‘new’ character from the prequels, and of course it opens the opportunity to have a new film with an Obi-Wan/Maul face off... or indeed Maul versus Darth Vader and/or Sidious. This is the way Lucasfilm and Disney are obviously going ala Marvel with character mash-ups. One may not like it, but it’s kind of written all over its Star Wars business model. The only spanner in the works is Solo’s box office but, IMO, that’s The Last Jedi factor rather than anything to do with the quality of Solo per se.


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I get the "general audience" confusion with Maul. But, anyone with a smart-phone can get quick answer about his status after TPM. Marvel gets to do this stuff - why can't Star Wars?


While I agree that anyone can just google this, it's not exactly same situation with Marvel. All of the MCU canon is basically found in the movies (the MCU has clearly let the Netflix and ABC shows be their own thing even though the tv universe references the movies). There's no show or novel you need to be up to date with in order to understand the context in the films. And the post-credit stingers are forward-looking teases, usually about the introduction of a new character (like Adam Warlock, Captain Marvel, Thanos, etc). Marvel largely doesn't pander to the fans at the expense of the masses.

Canon nerds like me loved the Darth Maul appearance, but it just causes general confusion for the other 90% of people in the theatre who don't follow non-movie stuff. So then, from a filmmaking perspective, why take those audience members out of the movie just to please the 10%?

All of this said, they should absolutely start introducing interconnected stories. They just need to set the right context so it doesn't sabotage the experience while your'e watching the film. That's what good writing is all about.


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Canon nerds like me loved the Darth Maul appearance, but it just causes general confusion for the other 90% of people in the theatre who don't follow non-movie stuff. So then, from a filmmaking perspective, why take those audience members out of the movie just to please the 10%?

All of this said, they should absolutely start introducing interconnected stories. They just need to set the right context so it doesn't sabotage the experience while your'e watching the film. That's what good writing is all about.

I think in reality though it’s only the 10% that are bothered about established canon and how EU is or isn’t integrated etc. The other 90% probably don’t know that Maul was supposedly killed in TPM or don’t care that he was supposidly killed. Again, I’m not sure Maul’s appearance was done for the geek/nerd dollar. He’s a highly marketable character that opens up the universe post PT and pre OT now they’ve brought him back into live action films. Notice that Maul said he’d meet Q’ira on Dathomiri? That to me suggests we’re gonna get either the nightsisters in a film or Maul’s Zabrak clan... or both... I think Maul leading the nightsisters would make for an interesting antagonist for a Solo sequel, or more likely an Obi-Wan or Darth Vader film.


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Maul's home base on Dathomir was already revealed in the Rebels episode "Visions and Voices" from Season 3. So, it's old news.

Based on the Kasdan's own words, Maul its hard to read if his appearance was made with a specific future project in mind:


“It was a sneaky ass process that I was fighting for all along,” Jon Kasdan told io9. “I’ve [always] been a big Darth Maul fan. He was my favorite character in the prequel trilogy and I was determined that Dryden was not the top of the food chain. We both wanted the criminal underworld to feel way bigger than we could see in this movie. And that Han would be a minnow surrounded by sharks.”

“The larger theme is everybody works for somebody,” Lawrence Kasdan said. “Evil or good, you’re not in control of your destiny, which is very important to us.” “Everybody serves some greater God or is mastered by something,” Jon added.

“And you know that [Maul] works for somebody,” Lawrence said.

“The thing about Maul is that he is a character freighted with baggage,” Jon Kasdan continues. “From losing his mentor, from his defeat [at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi], from his long journey post that defeat, the Clone Wars, the Shadow Collective, we thought this is a character who comes with so much narrative richness that to glimpse him has power and the promise of stories to come.”


Understandably, Maul has generated a lot of buzz, which I think bodes well for his inclusion in a future saga.

Concerning the domestic box office results, I believe that this editorial provides a nice summation of possible reasons for the under-performance.


So what went wrong?

I have some theories.

    1. From the get go even Star Wars fans said that Solo is a movie we don’t need, that the origin of Han Solo doesn’t need further exploration and therefore the announcement of the movie was met with a lukewarm reception – therefore people just didn’t have as much interest to see the movie in theaters and stayed at home.

    2. Then we had The Last Jedi. Not to open discussions about it once more, but even the most diehard TLJ fans will hopefully agree that the movie is somewhat divisive and that at least a non trivial percentage of fans was quite disappointed and maybe even angry. You read about a boycott movement in so many places, entire YouTube channels are dedicated to this and while it is completely unknown how big this movement is, or if it even made a dent at all, it does exist. And maybe the disappointed Star Wars fans who hated The Last Jedi chose Solo as their vehicle to make a statement, and stayed at home.

    3. Star Wars fatigue. I personally don’t really believe in Star Wars fatigue per se. But it can be argued that the time window between the release of The Last Jedi and Solo was simply too short. Maybe a December release would have been the wiser choice here. Star Wars is not the MCU which can release 3 or maybe even 4 movies in a year in quick succession. Star Wars needs to be an event, needs to be special and maybe Solo didn’t feel like that special event, not so shortly after The Last Jedi.

    4. General audiences are confused about the shifting timelines for the Star Wars movies. Han Solo died in The Force Awakens, wait, he lives again? Now we get to see a movie that is set, what, 40 years before The Force Awakens? The MCU movies are all set in the same timeline with various movies building upon each other and leading to big events. Lucasfilm has a different strategy, they have trilogy movies and then more or less completely unrelated stand alone movies set in different time periods even. Maybe this is too confusing for some. I remember people asking why and how Rogue One is not the sequel to The Force Awakens. Perhaps general audiences are not that much invested in completely unrelated movies that don’t really connect.

    5. Lucasfilm employees or people who work for Lucasfilm in some capacity made some less than flattering remarks about some Star Wars fans after The Last Jedi. Maybe this didn’t go down so well with a lot of the fans and they decided to send a message to Lucasfilm.


I would add that the holiday weekend didn't help. Personally, I hope that the film has legs and will do well in the next few weeks.

I like the movie and I like getting a Star Wars movie in May.


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So, saw this today cause the kids wanted to and it was 5 dollar Tuesday. This may be my favorite of the disney films. It just felt right. I've been wanting a movie were the world or galaxy wasn't at stake. The movie took it's time like ANH. Only real problem I had was the voice over other scenes. It's very non Star Wars to me. TLJ did this and took away from the actors performing the lines.

Definitely looking forward to seeing this again, plus I was pleasantly surprised the crowd clapped at the end.


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I still say it's a shame Han wasn't played by Anthony Ingruber !


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While I do not throw a flag up in the camp of the source, this article speaks to what have become my greatest fears right now regarding the SW franchise under the mouse house:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ ... star-wars/


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Fear is Breitbart's ally. Be wary.


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Via Antiqua wrote:
While I do not throw a flag up in the camp of the source, this article speaks to what have become my greatest fears right now regarding the SW franchise under the mouse house:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ ... star-wars/


Do I think Star Wars has become too political? Hell yes. Do I think Solo suffered because of it? Yes, but also because there's so much competition right now at the box office even within Disney.

The break between films will help EP9 immensely. That and I have faith that JJ can undo the mess Rian created with his trash writing.


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prox wrote:
Via Antiqua wrote:
While I do not throw a flag up in the camp of the source, this article speaks to what have become my greatest fears right now regarding the SW franchise under the mouse house:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/ ... star-wars/


Do I think Star Wars has become too political? Hell yes. Do I think Solo suffered because of it? Yes, but also because there's so much competition right now at the box office even within Disney.

The break between films will help EP9 immensely. That and I have faith that JJ can undo the mess Rian created with his trash writing.


There’s some I think JJ should leave in place like Snoke’s death, because it helps develop Kylo Ren as an interesting villain, especially since he now has control of the First Order.


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I personally don’t think JJ has a hells chance of salvaging the sequel trilogy. It’s dead in the water, narratively sepaking. Solo, at the very least, succeeded in making me want to know ‘what happens next?’, and I’ll welcme a sequel to that. TLJ just made me want the sequels to come to an end there and then.


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prox wrote:

The break between films will help EP9 immensely. That and I have faith that JJ can undo the mess Rian created with his trash writing.


The Last Jedi basically pulled a murder-suicide on the franchise. Think about it: we’re in the third act of a trilogy, where we should rightly get our climax and resolve the overall conflict. Yet we’ve gone nowhere, with a meandering story that has not advanced at all for two movies now. The characters aren’t interesting, with any hints of character development quickly squashed, the themes and messages are wildly inconsistent (let the past die but revert everything to the way it was at the beginning of Ep4), and the narrative is inert and crippled. They have absolutely failed to tell a good story and, barring some sort of time-travel retcon, I have no idea how they can possibly recapture lost interest again.

JJ would basically have to pull off a miracle, and while I think he’s a decent director, I don’t think there’s anyone alive who can undo all of the damage that's been done to the franchise already.


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Monari wrote:
prox wrote:

The break between films will help EP9 immensely. That and I have faith that JJ can undo the mess Rian created with his trash writing.


The Last Jedi basically pulled a murder-suicide on the franchise. Think about it: we’re in the third act of a trilogy, where we should rightly get our climax and resolve the overall conflict. Yet we’ve gone nowhere, with a meandering story that has not advanced at all for two movies now. The characters aren’t interesting, with any hints of character development quickly squashed, the themes and messages are wildly inconsistent (let the past die but revert everything to the way it was at the beginning of Ep4), and the narrative is inert and crippled. They have absolutely failed to tell a good story and, barring some sort of time-travel retcon, I have no idea how they can possibly recapture lost interest again.

JJ would basically have to pull off a miracle, and while I think he’s a decent director, I don’t think there’s anyone alive who can undo all of the damage that's been done to the franchise already.


Kylo Ren is an interesting character.


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Kylo Ren is very much a 2nd rate antagonist in my opinion. Very little motivation and lacking in menace/threat. I think Driver is a talented actor, but he’s given very little to do but grimace and sulk. I’m not sure why they are trying to replicate Anakin Skywalker from the prequels so much... down to his tousled hair and scar.... perhaps they thought they could portray Anakin ‘better’? Perhaps it was just an exercise in ego? Who knows, but I believe one of the failings of the sequels is the lack of an antagonist that actually brings a sense of peril to proceedings. And just trying to replicate Sidious/the Emperor and Anakin/Vader is a huge fail.


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Yeah it doesn't help that everyone in the first order yells and screams too . Nothing like the older leaders and working military feel we get in the O.T. Solo and Rogue One did a much better job of making the Empire feel competent. I understand the First Order is not the Empire but instead of feeling like "how are the good guys gonna win", I feel like how could they not win.


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