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That’s a bit of a straw man. No one has said here, not that I’ve seen, that Lucas wasn’t a shrewd business man and didn’t like commercial success. It was more about his raison d’etra, aspirations and ‘business model, which differs considerably to Disney’s. I’ve also seen Lucas speak a couple of times, although admittedly I’ve never talked to him face to face, and he came across (like in most situations) like a reserved, thoughtful fella. Not driven by ego at all. I have met Scott before, and whilst I think he’s a great filmmaker, he does channel a lot of ego.


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Bander, define independent filmmaker. At some point, when you've become the institution, I'm not certain that moniker still applies.

I know what he likes to define himself as, but, I love to define myself as my svelt hockey playing self from my 20's....but I'm not that person any more. If you listen to George talk, it's always about where "he wants to drive the industry, and he's looking to institute this, and working James (cameron) to get this technology accepted, and getting Stephen (Spielberg) to film things this way, etc". This is someone that is innovating at the hollywood level...that defines him as the cutting edge (or at least some time ago he was), which parks him, right in the middle of elite. There aren't a lot of billionaires in hollywood. He's one. There aren't alot of studio owners in hollywood, he's one (or was). I know he casts himself as the oddball out (thrown out of the director's guild, etc) but in the end, if it waddles like a duck and quack likes a duck....it's a duck.


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An independent filmmaker is someone who makes films independently and outside the Hollywood system. He's never been a part of the "system," he has created his own system. The "Hollywood Elite" don't even consider him one of them. The Prequels were a huge independent venture. Saying you can't call yourself independent after you've made so much money is kind of silly. The painter Jasper Johns once sold one of his paintings for millions. That doesn't suddenly mean he can't call himself an independent artist anymore.

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I do enjoy how this thread has gone from reviewing The Last Jedi to a referendum on someone who hasn't been involved in the Star Wars franchise for 5 years and 3 films.

I, of course, contributed to this derailing.


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Cynicism abounds! But legends are usually more potent and inspiring than the men (or women) behind them all.

What matters is that we not blissfully suffer from the same folly if we should find ourselves in such a position. Let's continue to make our own THX 1138s, in whatever sense we do, and not become more machine than man; twisted and evil.


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Interesting stuff. I don’t recall the pre-Snoke Uber name mentioned in either of the art books. I’d also forgotten about the Darth Talon tidbit. This is why I’d love to know more about Lucas’s ST ideas, not to lament or complain about what might have been or not been but because it’s fascinating to see the evolution the ideas and concepts go through before they reach the screen. It’s so easy to dismiss these films when they don’t meet our expectations but when I look through the art books or read about the early ideas I’m reminded of just how much hard work and dedication goes into imagining these worlds. Is every idea a good one? No, but none of these artists or filmmakers are looking to make something bad or to ruin Star Wars. (At least I hope not). Like life, the best laid plans sometimes just don’t work out the way we hoped.


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I don’t think anyone would suggest that, in terms of pre-production and production, there isn't a lot of craft on display. However, if it were only that simple. When first reading the art of TFA, I was struck by how many really good designs/concepts were ultimately rejected in favour of something I personally found to be inferior/derivative... everything from the look of Han Solo to Jakuu (in my opinion obviously). In terms of design for The Last Jedi, I find less to lement, primarily because I thought Johnson was a bit braver in terms of some of his design choices. Johnson’s mistakes are, IMO, largely to do with narrative, characterisation and plot choices. These were largely created by Abrams, and Johnson had compounded them... everything from emasculating all the antagonists to the point that there is no discernible peril/drama, to making Rey an entirely perfunctory and superfluous character for the final reel. In my opinion, it would have been much more dramatic if Rey had been killed in Snoke’s throne room, and it was Rey’s death that ultimately either turned Kylo back to the light or taken him forever into the dark.


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So.....I'm going out on a long, long and very thin limb here, but....

Taking the art of TFA and coupling it with the "news" that Snoke has trained at least one other apprentice....I'm holding out hope that this other apprentice....is Talon.

One of my biggest criticisms of the Sequel trilogy, is that some of the more established races have not been shown. Twi'leks? Nope. Quarren? Nope. Mon Cals? Nope (aside from Ackbar). Gran? Nope. Aqualish? Nope. Etc, etc. In fact, as a huge fan of Astromechs, it made me quite sad that only two astromechs could be seen in TLJ....I know we're supposed to move forward....but we need a bit more of a connection in the fabric....not just the big three (han, leia and luke) Anyway, criticism over....lets hope JJ throws us a bone.


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Cryostar, you're not the only one that has noticed an absence of classic OT and PT aliens races. Even in the "Art of" book for TLJ, we see artists concepts with a Twi'lek in a cocktail dress and Gran/Rodian wearing tuxedos, but in the film there is nothing of the sort. I agree, we're supposed to move forward and see new designs, but they should be mixed in with the already existing ones. George did that with the prequels - he gave us old and new designs.

Including an Ithorian, a Rodian, a Twi'lek and a Gran, would have helped sell the Casino scene to me a lot easier. My eye tries to land on something familiar, to help identify this scene as being from "Star Wars" - but it can't even do that. It's more like something out of Babylon 5 or The 5th Element to me.


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It certainly may seem that way, but we did see an Aqualish (Ponda Baba) and a Twi'lek in Rogue One.


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I find that video totally embarrassing. Is it any wonder that Star Wars is currently such a narrative, creative mess (although admittedly financially succesfull) when it’s basically filmmaking by committee, where in an alternate universe, these people wouldn’t get a job in a Disney store. There seems to be actually more thought going into connecting Battlefront to the film than there is thought going into connecting the new films to the old ones.


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I found it difficult to watch that thing until the end.

We're supposed to believe that Rey and Kylo's mind/force connection in TFA, gave Rey the ability to use the Force, like a fully fledged Jedi?
In principle, the Force can now be downloaded by a USB? That comes off as some really shitty, mid-90's EU fanfic garbage.
Seems to me, now that Dad (GL) has left, the time has come for the kids to run amok, and do whatever the fuck they want.


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Hey, but at least it ties into a mother fucking video game... :what:


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I am still trying to get my head around this film. I am having difficulty accepting this as an installment in the Star Wars franchise.
I was wondering to myself; what was the point of introducing a new character (Rose) if they're not going to develop an already established one (Finn).
Abrams/Kasdan introduced a pretty interesting character in TFA; a Stormtrooper that defects and joins the Resistance. You would expect that to be the beginning of a fantastic character arc, but it's completely not the case in TLJ. Instead, his character development is sidelined and we are introduced to a brand new character (Rose) for no purpose!

In ESB, we are introduced to Lando Calrissian. At the same time, we learn a bit more about Han Solo - that he won the Millennium Falcon off Lando in a card game and that the three of them (including Chewie) have a history between them. Lando isn't just there for the sake of being there - his character actually has a reason to be there.

Johnson said that the whole (groan) Canto Bight sub-plot originally was Finn and Poe that go on a mission together, but there wasn't conflict between them (?)


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I know... the more I think about it, the more I want to forget it ever happened. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...


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That's it! This film is easily forgettable. A generic space flick!
I am usually tearing to get back to the cinema, to watch a new Star Wars film. With TLJ, I actually forget it's still playing.
On average, I go to see a new Star Wars film ten times at the cinema - this one, I have only seen three times.

What is so much more evident now, is that Star Wars is no longer pure, escapist entertainment - but a platform for pushing political agendas.
Story telling is not the prime goal here. The focus is on box office results, politics and selling product.
Before the film started, I saw SIX advertisements for current Disney Star Wars product. I do not recall seeing so many toy and video game ads before a Star Wars film before - and this is an observation from a 47 year old man, who has in excess of five thousand Star Wars action figures.

I've been re-watching the prequels over the last week, and have fallen in love with them all over again. My appreciation for them and the work Lucas put into all of the world building, new characters and expanding of lore, has only deepened.


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For Kathleen Kennedy to come forward and tell the world that "She doesn't owe men anything" is probably the worst PR move you could possibly make.
Congratulations Mrs. Kennedy, with just with those few worlds, you've managed to marginalize a good percentage of your fan base. I do not have a problem with female characters in Star Wars. My house is full of Leia, Padmé, Ahsoka, Ventress, Jyn and Rey merch - but the moment you start to marginalize consumers that are loyal to the fucking brand for 40 years, then it becomes apparent that you've got an ax to grid. You cannot manufacture brand loyalty. You want to keep those consumers satisfied and keep adding new fans each year, while releasing good quality product!

Star Wars was and has always been for everyone. This is why it is a world-wide phenomenon. It's the timeless story, and fantastic characters that transcend cultures, languages, genders and age. When you start telling me that "You don't owe men anything" - then that makes me think that you haven't got a fucking clue, and should step down.


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I don’t know what the deal is lately. She’s using Star Wars for some end of life crisis stuff. She’s trying to add meaning to her life perhaps. I’ve pulled back my fandom quite a bit given her religious like fervor she tries to stir up. My wife at the time Star Wars was sold said she didn’t like that woman, I don’t know what she saw but I defended KK. The wife might have been right.
KK is always gonna be a fantastic producer with her history but I wish she wasn’t the face of Lucasfilm. She’s seems either fake or over-zealous. Of course I’m in the Dave filoni for everything camp sooooo.....


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I think she means she doesn’t cater to anyone and just used men as an example. However there does seem to be an undertone to create a problem with previous Star Wars storytelling.That way she might come in and be the hero. It may also be she just likes telling more female driven stories which is fine but because the media overreacts they depict it as if she is revolutionizing the franchise. When in fact she’s a woman and those stories interest her more the same as I’m more interested in Luke Skywalker than the princess.


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And boom goes the dynamite


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I don’t really care if the new films are full of vegans, flat Earth believers or half baked political messages... I just want them to be well written and engaging. Unfortunately The Last Jedi is just a steaming turd of badly drawn characters, situations and poor plotting.


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That's my reading as well.


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Our beloved Fanbase has forced Kelly Marie Tran to erease her Instagram Account: https://www.eonline.com/news/941403/kel ... harassment

I feel ashamed and guilty beeing part of this fanbase! Disgusting!


Post Posted: June 5th 2018 6:08 pm
 
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Just because there are assholes in the world doesn't mean you should be ashamed. Assholes act like assholes. That's why they're assholes.

There will always be an agitated minority that ruin certain things for the rest of us. It ain't your fault unless you could stop them. In this case, you or I couldn't (as far as I can tell).

In general, it seems that every major franchise has to put up with this type of douchebaggery. Though, the Marvel movies seem to fair better than most in this regard. It's probably, because the majority of their movies center around white dudes. I have many issues with the TLJ, but I'm glad that Johnson thought enough to take franchise in a different direction with Rose.


Post Posted: June 9th 2018 8:26 am
 
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https://makingstarwars.net/2018/06/the- ... ial-media/


Post Posted: June 9th 2018 9:44 pm
 

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Funny that website makes an article about fan hate. The makers of that site have been known to stir up fan hate online. Spreading false rumors and attacking others.


Post Posted: June 10th 2018 12:50 pm
 
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Post Posted: July 3rd 2018 3:12 am
 
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Too cool not to share.

Rey's training move-set mirrors Kylo's attack on Force projection Luke:

https://i.imgur.com/JeRdYHl.gif


Post Posted: July 3rd 2018 7:36 am
 
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Really, really cool


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