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• Entire Book (.PDF): The Ride Of A Lifetime - Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).pdf
• Entire Book (.JPG): The Ride Of A Lifetime - Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).zip

• Chapter 11 - The Star Wars Chapter (JPEG): Star Wars Chapter 11 by Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).zip


• Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations.

• The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded.


• At some point in the process, George told me that he had completed outlines for three new movies. He agreed to send us three copies of the outlines: one for me; one for Alan Braverman; and one for Alan Horn, who’d just been hired to run our studio. Alan Horn and I read George’s outlines and decided we needed to buy them, though we made clear in the purchase agreement that we would not be contractually obligated to adhere to the plot lines he’d laid out.

• He knew that I was going to stand firm on the question of creative control, but it wasn’t an easy thing for him to accept. And so he reluctantly agreed to be available to consult with us at our request. I promised that we would be open to his ideas (this was not a hard promise to make; of course we would be open to George Lucas’s ideas), but like the outlines, we would be under no obligation.

• I’d been so careful since our first conversation not to mislead him in any way, and I didn’t think I had now, but I could have handled it better. I should have prepared him for the meeting with J.J. and Michael and told him about our conversations, that we felt it was better to go in another direction. I could have talked through this with him and possibly avoided angering him by not surprising him. Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed, and while this whole process would never have been easy for him, we’d gotten off to an unnecessarily rocky start.

• Just prior to the global release, Kathy screened The Force Awakens for George. He didn’t hide his disappointment. “There’s nothing new,” he said.

• In each of the films in the original trilogy, it was important to him to present new worlds, new stories, new characters, and new technologies. In this one, he said, “There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.” He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars.

• We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do. Looking back with the perspective of several years and a few more Star Wars films, I believe J.J. achieved the near-impossible, creating a perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come.


• Even though he had issues with the film, I thought it was important for George to be at the Force Awakens premiere. He didn’t want to come at first, but Kathy, with the help of George’s now-wife, Melody Hobson, convinced him it was the right thing to do. Among the last things we negotiated before the deal closed was a non-disparagement clause. I asked George to agree that he wouldn’t publicly criticize any of the Star Wars film we made. When I brought it up with him, he said, “I’m going to be a big shareholder of the Walt Disney Company. Why would I disparage you or anything you do? You have to trust me.” I took him at his word.


Post Posted: September 24th 2019 9:34 am
 
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Let's let Disney CEO (and arrogant scumbag) Bob Iger OFFICIALLY CONFIRM what all of us diehard Star Wars fans know deep in our hearts.

Disney did betray Lucas' vision. As documented by Iger, this is as concrete as it gets.

Unlike the host of Star Wars Theory, I have zero confidence that Star Wars can be saved, even with significant help from The Great One himself. The carefully calculated and DELIBERATE damage that was done to the mythos, the spirit, the HEART of the universe through such conniving releases as The Last Jedi, Solo, etc., etc., is just TOO LARGE. There is NO SAVING the franchise. It is literally not possible to undo the past. It is written in stone. I remember when Mark Hamill said that "...one can never go home again..." Mark, you couldn't be more wrong. Millions of fans were waiting to see you reunited with the original cast, a truly magical teaming of chemistry that is a very rare find in any medium, and they COULD HAVE gone that route. But in their "wisdom," THEY chose not to have it happen. Carrie, Harrison, Matthew, Anthony, Danny and yourself were FORBIDDEN to come home. To share even a brief scene together in the grimy storage holds of the pre-wombified pansexual Millennium Falcon, would've been emotionally overwhelming and DEEPLY FELT the world over. But that is NOT what they wanted. They had a POLITICAL AGENDA TO RAM DOWN OUR THROATS. And ram it they did!

Heartbreaking...

I feel the sorrow in this video, at what could've been, and what will NEVER BE.

SELFISH. ARROGANT. SUBTERFUGE.

Those three words are the new Star Wars. No denying it. And no taking it back.
Star Wars Theory's analysis of Iger's statements.






And while I do not agree with all of Geeks & Gamers' assessment of Iger's disclosures, I wholeheartedly agree with his assessment of Lucas' vision.
Geeks & Gamers' take on Iger's words.



I can't imagine what it must've been like for Lucas to have to contemplate day after day what Disney did to his creation.


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I agree with Obi-wan. However, Lucas' frustration is also my frustration. It's appears that Disney has wised up a little by "consulting" with Lucas on TROS and slowing their roll on future films.


Post Posted: September 24th 2019 7:16 pm
 
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I would love to see Lucas' drafts that were optioned by Iger.


Post Posted: September 24th 2019 8:23 pm
 
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Market forces vs. Lucas. Nothing new.

I have a feeling that the treatments may see the light of day given Lucas reportedly having thrown his hat into the ring for TROS. Not to mention a recent tide of fans newly appreciating what a rare gift Lucas' talent is and always has been.


Post Posted: September 24th 2019 10:48 pm
 
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It's appears that Disney has wised up a little by "consulting" with Lucas on TROS and slowing their roll on future films.


Here's what I'll sadly guarantee...

Disney's executives will have learned NOTHING from this. Arrogance at THEIR level is, at a minimum, borderline-sociopathic, ala narcissism. And I'm not joking one bit about that.

They will continue to insert their "men are toxic/men are stupid/only women can save the universe (from men!)" brainwashing into everything they can. Oh, and they'll maximize sexual deviancy too. Look at pretty much everything Disney's released in the past 10+ years; their mass indoctrination goals are crystal clear. Marvel Cinema is already being transformed by Those That Know Better Than Everyone Else. It too will rightfully suffer the fate of Star Wars if it continues to go down the path it's already on.

One has to wonder, how many weeks' worth of effort did it take the Kasdan's to figure out a way to PERMANENTLY stain the Original Trilogy? I mean it. Had we been paid TOP DOLLAR to sit down and figure out a way to spread sexual deviancy throughout the Original Trilogy retroactively, there's no way in hell we could've done it. But the Kasdan's? Oh yes, they DID it, in SPADES. The most iconic spaceship design ever put to film is now a pansexual robot, having had hardcore sex with the master it's slaved to, dear ol' Pando-Lando.

THEY did that.

On PURPOSE.

UNREAL.

The whole "Don't give in to hate..." quote...

I know that you mean well, but you are telling it to the WRONG PERSON. You need to tell it to the deviant narcissists who mislead Lucas, absolutely positively TWISTED his universe to THEIR OWN SELFISH DESIRES, and they did it NOT GIVING A TINKER'S DAMN as to who they were DELIBERATELY HURTING in the process. Over and over again, they SMUGLY EMBRACED what they did, and GLOATED OVER IT, completely drunk on themselves.

There is only ONE reason why they're now consulting with Lucas: to resurrect the rotting goose that used to (seemingly) effortlessly lay eggs of solid gold. They are NOT bringing Lucas back for the RIGHT reasons, at all. It is SOLELY for THAT reason: to get the gold machine churning again.
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Lucas was RIGHTFULLY rewarded handsomely for his VISION of a galaxy united against evil.
Of men and women, IN SPITE OF THEIR DIFFERENCES, LEARNING FROM ONE ANOTHER and WORKING TOGETHER and BOTH PARTIES BEING ALL THE BETTER FOR IT. Disney engineered and schemed to DESTROY a message that is beyond reproach.
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The wealth he generated was due to having a PROPER TARGET, one that was well worth hitting, and it stirred the hearts of men and women everywhere.
It didn't fracture people; it brought them together, in hope and joy.

As your butts drop into the theater seats this December, remember that Lucas was brought back as a desperate measure to get The Money Machine back on track. Disney does not give one actual whit for Lucas' heart. He is strictly a means to an end.

And it'll still never undo the grave harm set loose in The Last Jedi and Solo and its ilk.

The Millennium Falcon will henceforth forever be a sex crazed pansexual robot, literally every male character is a blathering and drooling idiot unworthy of even being in the sight of goddess-women who need no training at all, and there is absolutely nothing that you nor the once almighty Lucas can ever do to erase that harm.
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Great stuff, DP. I appreciate Iger being candid about these events. George's mindset at the time helps explain the 'white slavers' remark shortly after The Force Awakens released.



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This thread has just gotten more sexier.
I abused my administrator powers to take control of the topic along with re-authoring the main post with screenshots and text. Furthermore, even though Kyle posted in the right forum, the topic was moved to IX for more visibility. Now to pirate Iger's book here publicly.


Regarding the book's content it should have been the clear at the time the only person powerful enough to make Lucas walk back the white slaver comments was Iger. Iger also appears to be not self aware for just for publishing his behaviour in book.
I only enjoy Disney Star Wars because I consider Disney Star Wars to be Expanded Universe e.g. separate from Lucas Star Wars.


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darthpsychotic wrote:
This thread has just gotten more sexier.
I abused my administrator powers to take control of the topic along with re-authoring the main post with screenshots and text. Furthermore, even though Kyle posted in the right forum, the topic was moved to IX for more visibility. Now to pirate Iger's book here publicly.


Regarding the book's content it should have been the clear at the time the only person powerful enough to make Lucas walk back the white slaver comments was Iger. Iger also appears to be not self aware for just for publishing his behaviour in book.
I only enjoy Disney Star Wars because I consider Disney Star Wars to be Expanded Universe e.g. separate from Lucas Star Wars.


Yep. That is what I keep saying to Kyle - Don't like Disney Star Wars? Cool, sell the Disney stuff, Keep the Lucas stuff. Lucas Star Wars will always be there for us, Episodes 1-6. Lucas' story started with Episode 1 and ended with Episode 6. That was the intention that Lucas wanted when he completed Revenge of the Sith. After Rise of the Skywalker, I'm likely going to sell my Disney Era Star Wars Blu-Rays with the exception of Rogue One - that one Lucas endorsed so much, it received a twin billing for a limited theatrical run of the UNALTERED 1977 version of A New Hope. From what I understand - Disney is contractually bound to NOT touch Lucas Star Wars (Ep 1-6) in any way. They can't alter these films. They can't release a "Disney cut" of these films. To make any further alterations to these films or issue any ORIGINAL unaltered versions of OT, they MUST go through George Lucas. No buts, no ifs, no whats. They have to go through Lucas to be able to do anything with these films so be glad Disney isn't touching these six films.


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Topeka wrote:
I would love to see Lucas' drafts that were optioned by Iger.


Same here. I hope there will be something like the old "Star Wars Annotated Screenplays" book, which would outline what the early concepts were for 7, 8 & 9.


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If and when LucasFilm and Disney figure out a way to bring George's version of the sequel trilogy to the public for a profit without damaging profit from their current canon, one has to believe they will. Be it books, movies, a release on Disney+.


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homergreg, if that was to happen, it would likely be in the form of a comic book series a la Star Wars: Adventures of Starkiller. Lucas had these made and they were based on Lucas’ early concepts and scripts for what is now Star Wars: A New Hope. It worked because it exists outside the current Lucas/Disney canons. So maybe Lucas’ Sequel outlines could get the same treatment?

If these outlines or scripts were to become movies, first Disney would have to disown the current sequel trilogy outright and start over from scratch. They’d have to recast everyone involved. And they’d have to title all three films as STAR WARS EPISODES 7–9 with the titles with the official numbering emphasized to make clear that the Abrams trilogy is not the official trilogy. They’d have to make that clear with heavy marketing efforts. I don’t think Disney would invest a lot of money and time just to make a new trilogy and replace the shitty trilogy they made with it. Plus it would open Disney up to a lot of lawsuits and I don’t think they want to deal with that.


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Freezus, I would never imagine any kind of reboot around that stuff. More thinking low budget "alternate reality" shows or films to make profit from it. Much like what you mention with the Starkiller comics, just via a video medium. I don't ever see then putting their canon around the whills.


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homergreg wrote:
Freezus, I would never imagine any kind of reboot around that stuff. More thinking low budget "alternate reality" shows or films to make profit from it. Much like what you mention with the Starkiller comics, just via a video medium. I don't ever see then putting their canon around the whills.



If they even get these scripts made into a TV/streaming series, why not call it - "Star Wars: Multiverses" in which some filmmakers get to tell their own versions of certain events throughout the franchise and Lucas could direct the first three premiere episodes of said new show om Disney+ and they could be at least 2 hours each or 1 hour each then he could edit them together to form a new "trilogy" when they're released on blu-ray/DVD. I mean, he did edit together that Clone Wars cartoon and turned it into a movie. Just thinking out loud that's all.


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homergreg wrote:
Freezus, I would never imagine any kind of reboot around that stuff. More thinking low budget "alternate reality" shows or films to make profit from it. Much like what you mention with the Starkiller comics, just via a video medium. I don't ever see then putting their canon around the whills.

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If they even get these scripts made into a TV/streaming series, why not call it - "Star Wars: Multiverses" in which some filmmakers get to tell their own versions of certain events throughout the franchise and Lucas could direct the first three premiere episodes of said new show om Disney+ and they could be at least 2 hours each or 1 hour each then he could edit them together to form a new "trilogy" when they're released on blu-ray/DVD. I mean, he did edit together that Clone Wars cartoon and turned it into a movie. Just thinking out loud that's all.


That actually sounds pretty darned good to me!


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Now to pirate Iger's book here publicly.


Here you go.
Embedded below is entire "Chapter 11: Star Wars by Bob Iger" in image format:

UPDATE :filez:

• Chapter 11 (JPEG): Chapter 11 - Star Wars by Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).zip
• Entire Book (.JPG): The Ride Of A Lifetime - Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).zip
• Entire Book (.PDF): The Ride Of A Lifetime - Bob Iger (2019) (MillenniumFalcon-DP).pdf

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Iger: a common trait of a bamboozler and liar- "Wine and dine" the victim. Make them believe anything then do the opposite. Iger reads to me like he's some crooked car salesman who will do anything to get anything they want.


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Thanks for posting, d-psyc!


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I see a less-than-zero percent chance Lucas's ST treatments ever see the light of day. Disney has to know they would be begging for a PR mess, were that to ever happen. All it would do is open itself up to questioning, second-guessing, and outright denial of Ep. 7-9. And I can't say I would blame people for feeling that way.

I am, and have always been, a George Lucas fan first. His vision and execution of the total story - all of his films AND the animation - are unmatched, past, present and future. I would pay an offensive amount of money to read through his Ep. 7 8 9 treatments. But I also don't think that day will ever come.


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homergreg, if that was to happen, it would likely be in the form of a comic book series a la Star Wars: Adventures of Starkiller. Lucas had these made and they were based on Lucas’ early concepts and scripts for what is now Star Wars: A New Hope. It worked because it exists outside the current Lucas/Disney canons. So maybe Lucas’ Sequel outlines could get the same treatment?

If these outlines or scripts were to become movies, first Disney would have to disown the current sequel trilogy outright and start over from scratch. They’d have to recast everyone involved. And they’d have to title all three films as STAR WARS EPISODES 7–9 with the titles with the official numbering emphasized to make clear that the Abrams trilogy is not the official trilogy. They’d have to make that clear with heavy marketing efforts. I don’t think Disney would invest a lot of money and time just to make a new trilogy and replace the shitty trilogy they made with it. Plus it would open Disney up to a lot of lawsuits and I don’t think they want to deal with that.


Bit late on this one.

They could adapt his treatments, make them canon, and not interfere with the ST.

No way the ST becomes non-canon. Just my opinion and I'm probably dreaming it will ever happen, but man, I hope they do and Feige is charge :metal: :metal: :metal:


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I found the info in the post below interesting.

I may even want to cut Iger some slack now.

For the record, I never saw the story group as creative nor filmmakers, just connect-the-dots record keepers:

https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress. ... ventually/


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Via Antiqua wrote:
I found the info in the post below interesting.

I may even want to cut Iger some slack now.

For the record, I never saw the story group as creative nor filmmakers, just connect-the-dots record keepers:

https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress. ... ventually/


I’m not reading anything from Disney’s Star Wars Is Dumb. They’re a site run by Trump-supporting Republican White Males who hate Disney, hate diversity in films including the MCU and Star Wars, and also are corrupt and jaded George Lucas purists who get pissed at Disney and still do for anything that isn’t faithful to George Lucas, one of which from this site (@Alexrd) is a part of this group. I think they just gotta grow the f up, change, learn and listen to the fact that it’s not about him anymore and that Star Wars will be better off without his fanbase. It’s not about him anymore or even the so-called fans who want him back. It’s about a new audience for a new generation. They don’t want it? Too bad. F them. F them all to hell.


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From E_Chu_Ta:
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It's appears that Disney has wised up a little by "consulting" with Lucas on TROS and slowing their roll on future films.


Here's what I'll sadly guarantee...

Disney's executives will have learned NOTHING from this. Arrogance at THEIR level is, at a minimum, borderline-sociopathic, ala narcissism. And I'm not joking one bit about that.

They will continue to insert their "men are toxic/men are stupid/only women can save the universe (from men!)" brainwashing into everything they can. Oh, and they'll maximize sexual deviancy too. Look at pretty much everything Disney's released in the past 10+ years; their mass indoctrination goals are crystal clear. Marvel Cinema is already being transformed by Those That Know Better Than Everyone Else. It too will rightfully suffer the fate of Star Wars if it continues to go down the path it's already on.

One has to wonder, how many weeks' worth of effort did it take the Kasdan's to figure out a way to PERMANENTLY stain the Original Trilogy? I mean it. Had we been paid TOP DOLLAR to sit down and figure out a way to spread sexual deviancy throughout the Original Trilogy retroactively, there's no way in hell we could've done it. But the Kasdan's? Oh yes, they DID it, in SPADES. The most iconic spaceship design ever put to film is now a pansexual robot, having had hardcore sex with the master it's slaved to, dear ol' Pando-Lando.

THEY did that.

On PURPOSE.

UNREAL.

The whole "Don't give in to hate..." quote...

I know that you mean well, but you are telling it to the WRONG PERSON. You need to tell it to the deviant narcissists who mislead Lucas, absolutely positively TWISTED his universe to THEIR OWN SELFISH DESIRES, and they did it NOT GIVING A TINKER'S DAMN as to who they were DELIBERATELY HURTING in the process. Over and over again, they SMUGLY EMBRACED what they did, and GLOATED OVER IT, completely drunk on themselves.

There is only ONE reason why they're now consulting with Lucas: to resurrect the rotting goose that used to (seemingly) effortlessly lay eggs of solid gold. They are NOT bringing Lucas back for the RIGHT reasons, at all. It is SOLELY for THAT reason: to get the gold machine churning again.
Quote:
Lucas was RIGHTFULLY rewarded handsomely for his VISION of a galaxy united against evil.
Of men and women, IN SPITE OF THEIR DIFFERENCES, LEARNING FROM ONE ANOTHER and WORKING TOGETHER and BOTH PARTIES BEING ALL THE BETTER FOR IT. Disney engineered and schemed to DESTROY a message that is beyond reproach.
Quote:
The wealth he generated was due to having a PROPER TARGET, one that was well worth hitting, and it stirred the hearts of men and women everywhere.
It didn't fracture people; it brought them together, in hope and joy.

As your butts drop into the theater seats this December, remember that Lucas was brought back as a desperate measure to get The Money Machine back on track. Disney does not give one actual whit for Lucas' heart. He is strictly a means to an end.

And it'll still never undo the grave harm set loose in The Last Jedi and Solo and its ilk.

The Millennium Falcon will henceforth forever be a sex crazed pansexual robot, literally every male character is a blathering and drooling idiot unworthy of even being in the sight of goddess-women who need no training at all, and there is absolutely nothing that you nor the once almighty Lucas can ever do to erase that harm.
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You know what, Kyle? Everything you just said proves why you’re wrong and Disney is right that men are toxic. BTW, The MCU will not fail because of so-called beliefs that men are bad. Also, by the way, everything they said is right because look at our climate in the world right now. A toxic, white, male, racist, sexist, Republican demagogue is running our country into the ground and is treating women like objects by trying to get rid of Roe V Wade. It’s a shame that your failure to see that indicates you are a Trump supporter and agree with him. So, sadly, I am going to say that Disney is right...

Men ARE BAD, Women ARE GOOD.


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Via Antiqua wrote:
I found the info in the post below interesting.

I may even want to cut Iger some slack now.

For the record, I never saw the story group as creative nor filmmakers, just connect-the-dots record keepers:

https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress. ... ventually/

RogueOne1216 wrote:
I’m not reading anything from Disney’s Star Wars Is Dumb. They’re a site run by Trump-supporting Republican White Males who hate Disney, hate diversity in films including the MCU and Star Wars, and also are corrupt and jaded George Lucas purists who get pissed at Disney and still do for anything that isn’t faithful to George Lucas, one of which from this site (@Alexrd) is a part of this group.

I think they just gotta grow the f up, change, learn and listen to the fact that it’s not about him anymore and that Star Wars will be better off without his fanbase. It’s not about him anymore or even the so-called fans who want him back. It’s about a new audience for a new generation. They don’t want it? Too bad. F them. F them all to hell.


Itchy is associated with The Fandom Menace...Jeremy Griggs/Geeks and Gamers, Odin's Movie Blog, That Star Wars Girl, World Class BS, The Quartering to an extent, etc. I like Anna's content but the rest are insufferable. They are toxic.

I disagree about Lucas. And Lucas had a fair amount to do with this film and JJ sought him out. A lot of dropped plot points from his treatments seem to be in the film. Ward outlined what the treatments were a few years ago and it VERY closely resembles the leaks we have right now.

Regardless, I like Rey a lot, I really disliked TLJ and still do, but whatever, it's just a movie. These people monetize outrage culture and that's what pisses me off the most. TROS will really tell whether or not this Trilogy is any good; I liked TFA; it left me wanting more. RJ decided to drop so many plot points. Now JJ has to put everything back together again. I believe he will and I think the film will be a fitting end to the greatest saga of all time.

There are an amount who are like "Rey is a Mary Sue!" but if the leaks are true (either she's a skywalker-solo or if she's a product of Palpatine fucking with the force again like with Anakin, creating another heir, making them siblings and both Skywalkers, children of The Force), it explains her power. Also, on promotional material for TROS it compares Rey to Anakin re: his sheer power and her knack for piloting and mechanics. She's so similar to Anakin in many ways and there's a reason why an aspect of her theme is a re-arrangement of Anakin's theme.

I used to associate with TFM before they went off the deep end. Now I'm like fuck these people, I just want to enjoy Star Wars, you can dislike it but give me some respect. They refuse to do that. I've been blocked by so many simply for saying I'm excited for TROS. What brought this group together was the disappointment of TLJ, something I shared...though for different reasons than everyone else. My review tore it apart because of pacing issues and tonal issues, but, I thought everything with Ben, Rey, and Luke were fantastic. People have this idealized version of Luke which just isn't him. Even Hammil does. Luke's always been a whiny bitch; yeah he grew in ROTJ but remember he was about to kill his own father, it's not OOC for him to momentarily have an impulse to kill Ben, which is what the Jedi Order would have done. He was repeating the mistakes of the past. That is why the Jedi "must end."

But RJ dropped so many plot points and development of characters like Finn as well, Rose Tico was useless and boring (though I like the actress, I hope she has a better role in TROS).

Those are my feelings on it. They complain about outrage culture and cancel culture yet they do the same exact thing. Fucking hypocrites.


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Never been to SWID until I came across the article I posted.

While aware of some hate filled rants regarding TLJ and the SJW stuff, I found the comments from the WDW employee in the article to be non-threatening, level-headed, interesting and informative.

From experience, I could see the demeanor and approach of KK as being less extremist than those younger individuals on the same side of the political spectrum.

In regards to RJ, It was a well-crafted film, but not of the tone and style of the other films in the saga that GL established. JJ gets this tone and style. RJ made a sci-fi/fantasy epic, not a space opera.

With all that's transpired, I can see the franchise being hijacked for sociopolitical change by those mentioned in the article. If their views and approach are proven true, they are literally turning the franchise into a Psyop on the audience.

What bothers me the most is that SW always transcended politics and was apolitical. It was deeper.

If there are employees who want to utilize SW to push for change then I am more upset that they are using an IP built on the passion of others and primarily GL to push an agenda.

They have no stake in what was built, they are only standing on the shoulders of others and making it their own personal soap box. They are not creatives, nor artists nor filmmakers - they are parasites.

They can do nothing without the likes of JJ, GL, DF, etc.

But at the same time, do the inmates now run the asylum?

That aside, I LONG FOR THE DAYS OF RICK MACULLUM'S BRASS TAX ENTHUSIASM FOR FILMMAKING ;)


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I miss the days of McCallum and his colorful metaphors.


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There's a great interview with McCallum about producers and what their job REALLY is and how an EP credit means nothing and how the producer label these days doesn't encapsulate what it used to mean.


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Put yourselves in Lucas's shoes. Would you feel any differently about this thing that you created, that brought so much to your life (good and bad...it's about more than just money). He first conceived of Star Wars in 1973, same year I was born. So my literal entire lifetime, this thing has occupied a great majority of his waking time.

How would you feel if *anyone* else took possession of it, regardless of the perceived quality? You'd have doubts, questions, pride, angst...a mix of all emotions, as something that is all-consuming would have.

if any of you have built your own houses...you planned every detail. You then lived in it. Raised children in it. Had celebrations, conflicts, beginnings, endings, and all inbetween. You then sold your house, a business and life decision, and the new tenants redecorated from top to bottom...you'd feel a bit emotional about that, no?


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I know it makes for good headlines and click bait, but I find the whole Lucas vs. Disney bullshit to be totally overblown and irrelevant. It's exactly like royalguard96 describes it - whether it's selling a house you built or selling your business, the reality is that new management is always going to want to do things their own way. If Lucas was so concerned about his vision for the sequel trilogy (and I'd argue he wasn't because he spent more than a decade refuting its existence), then he shouldn't have sold Lucasfilm and he should have produced it himself.

It's also laughable how soon the same fans who hated "yippeee! I don't like sand" Anakin, Jar Jar Binks and "I don't know what I'm doing in these movies" Portman have come to laud Lucas' credibility as a storyteller in the face of Disney's apparent destruction of his saga's integrity.

Either enjoy the movies or don't. Who cares. They're movies.


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It's also laughable how soon the same fans who hated "yippeee! I don't like sand" Anakin, Jar Jar Binks and "I don't know what I'm doing in these movies" Portman have come to laud Lucas' credibility as a storyteller in the face of Disney's apparent destruction of his saga's integrity.

Either enjoy the movies or don't. Who cares. They're movies.


Totally agree on that! I think this is the most hypocritical thing happening inside the fandom. Lucas was burned online by the fandom, he was loathed, hated, bashed...now he is demanded to return...

I too really dont get that hate over Disney SW. Out of 4 movies 3 were celebrated inside the Fandom with only TLJ beeing diverse. Its ONE movie but its pretended to be the whole bunch. I dont get it!

And considering this https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/ page: WOW! Scary how personal offended some people get that they invest that much time in engery in something so stupid and useless. People should grow up finally!


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Bit late on this one.

They could adapt his treatments, make them canon, and not interfere with the ST.

No way the ST becomes non-canon. Just my opinion and I'm probably dreaming it will ever happen, but man, I hope they do and Feige is charge :metal: :metal: :metal:


I didn't see this thread until now because it was pushed down by the Ki Adi Moonshine stuff.[/quote]


I did say IF. But I know they will just adapt the treatments unless Abrams figured out a way how to condense all that stuff into TROS.


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CoGro wrote:
I know it makes for good headlines and click bait, but I find the whole Lucas vs. Disney bullshit to be totally overblown and irrelevant. It's exactly like royalguard96 describes it - whether it's selling a house you built or selling your business, the reality is that new management is always going to want to do things their own way. If Lucas was so concerned about his vision for the sequel trilogy (and I'd argue he wasn't because he spent more than a decade refuting its existence), then he shouldn't have sold Lucasfilm and he should have produced it himself.

It's also laughable how soon the same fans who hated "yippeee! I don't like sand" Anakin, Jar Jar Binks and "I don't know what I'm doing in these movies" Portman have come to laud Lucas' credibility as a storyteller in the face of Disney's apparent destruction of his saga's integrity.

Either enjoy the movies or don't. Who cares. They're movies.


That's the Millennial generation for ya, CoGro. I mean, they were roughly 3-5 years old when all three Prequels came out. You have to remember that some of these fans were OT fans too. Remember they bitched about how "clean" the PT looked and wanted a continuation of the look that OT established. They don't know what the word PREQUEL means. It means events that takes place BEFORE the original film. So of course PT was gonna look different. That was the point.

CoGro, you forgot one thing - Lucas was going to direct and produce TFA until Disney came along and was like, "Can we buy the whole thing?" When the Disney purchase went though, the movie was already knee deep in production with Lucas spearheading it. It was only after the purchase that he was forced out and the whole movie had to be completely rewritten.


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CoGro, you forgot one thing - Lucas was going to direct and produce TFA until Disney came along and was like, "Can we buy the whole thing?" When the Disney purchase went though, the movie was already knee deep in production with Lucas spearheading it. It was only after the purchase that he was forced out and the whole movie had to be completely rewritten.


Where did you get that info? I don't recall seeing any preproduction news for 7 before the sale?


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Where did you get that info? I don't recall seeing any preproduction news for 7 before the sale?


I've never heard that before either.


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I recall Mark saying he met with George about the ST and GL explained the whole idea... then Disney got involved.


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I recall Mark saying he met with George about the ST and GL explained the whole idea... then Disney got involved.


Yes, I believe he had a meeting with Mark and Carrie just prior to the Celebration in Florida in 2011 to discuss plans.

I was under the impression that the sequel trilogy (with a screenplay for VII written by Michael Arndt) was set in motion partly to make the sale to Disney that much more enticing.


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Yep and if you flip through the Art of TFA book, you'll see many of the artists including Chiang said many of the early art concepts in the book was from when Lucas was leading the production.. Luke with a manbun? A Lucas-era concept. Kira (Rey) swimming in the DS II Throne Room that was underwater? Another Lucas concept that's now being realized in TROS.

Even Chiang at the time of TLJ said he did a concept art of a Jedi village for TFA. The only reason Lucas started up production of TFA was because the Clone Wars got critical acclaim. So, that put Lucas in a happy mood. He was like, "Okay, I wanna direct Episode 7 to help guide the next generation of directors then sell the company to whoever it is."


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Here - The article that explains what Lucas originally planned along with a bunch of early production art:

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CoGro wrote:
It's also laughable how soon the same fans who hated "yippeee! I don't like sand" Anakin, Jar Jar Binks and "I don't know what I'm doing in these movies" Portman have come to laud Lucas' credibility as a storyteller in the face of Disney's apparent destruction of his saga's integrity.

Either enjoy the movies or don't. Who cares. They're movies.

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Totally agree on that! I think this is the most hypocritical thing happening inside the fandom. Lucas was burned online by the fandom, he was loathed, hated, bashed...now he is demanded to return... I too really dont get that hate over Disney SW. Out of 4 movies 3 were celebrated inside the Fandom with only TLJ beeing diverse. Its ONE movie but its pretended to be the whole bunch. I dont get it!

And considering this https://disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/ page: WOW! Scary how personal offended some people get that they invest that much time in engery in something so stupid and useless. People should grow up finally!


The last sentence you said, you said it, buddy.


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I've talked to the guy who runs it on twitter. him, jeremy griggs from geeks and gamers, jar jar abrams, all these TFM people. it's really really sad and pathetic. how miserable their lives must be. especially on a general wordpress blog; he's not making any ad revenue! at least you can make the case some of these clowns are just doing it for the money. this idiot can't even set up a proper website. I have with wordpress, completely customized, etc. I don't do outrage for monetization but if you do good content and know how the google algorithm works you can make decent adsense revenue if you know what you're doing.

Also, as I've been saying, Lucas was more involved in TROS than people realize. It's, more or less, ending out the Saga the way he envisioned originally. at least that's what I was told. he's more than just a "creative consultant" on this film. he mapped out a good chunk of the scenario with JJ.


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ki adi moonshine wrote:
I've talked to the guy who runs it on twitter. him, jeremy griggs from geeks and gamers, jar jar abrams, all these TFM people. it's really really sad and pathetic. how miserable their lives must be. especially on a general wordpress blog; he's not making any ad revenue! at least you can make the case some of these clowns are just doing it for the money. this idiot can't even set up a proper website. I have with wordpress, completely customized, etc. I don't do outrage for monetization but if you do good content and know how the google algorithm works you can make decent adsense revenue if you know what you're doing.

Also, as I've been saying, Lucas was more involved in TROS than people realize. It's, more or less, ending out the Saga the way he envisioned originally. at least that's what I was told. he's more than just a "creative consultant" on this film. he mapped out a good chunk of the scenario with JJ.


With that said, Do you see Lucas getting an "Executive Producer" credit on this one? That's something not seen since ROTS.


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I don't personally. But who knows. an EP credit really means nothing these days, but Disney probably wouldn't want his name attached like that, and George may not even want it given his perceived relationship with the fans.


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I've read where producing The Clone Wars re-energized Lucas. It didn't have the same level of viewership as the films, but those who watched the series were pretty universal in supporting it, both as fans and critically. It won awards, and I feel, each season got subsequently better. The Mortis Trilogy and Yoda Arc (seasons 3 and 6) went deeper into the Force than any visual medium ever had.

In my utopic mind, JJ brought Lucas in to consult on TROS as a sign of respect for his legacy with the franchise as well as getting practical assistance from a wrapping-up-the-big-story standpoint.

JJ's recent quotes about answering every question and putting a bow on this whole thing could not have been legitimately executed by anyone on earth without the heavy involvement of Lucas. I think JJ is smart enough to use every resource available to him and there's no better resource for him on this particular project than Lucas. That connection has both practical and sentimental purposes, but either way, I'm just happy he's involved at this stage.


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ki adi moonshine wrote:
I don't personally. But who knows. an EP credit really means nothing these days, but Disney probably wouldn't want his name attached like that, and George may not even want it given his perceived relationship with the fans.


I guess we'll all have to wait to see if Lucas even gets a credit other than "based on characters by."


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Here - The article that explains what Lucas originally planned along with a bunch of early production art:

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Freezus, is it okay if I give you credit for the info on this? gonna use it in my analysis I'm putting together right now.


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ki adi moonshine wrote:
Freezus wrote:
Here - The article that explains what Lucas originally planned along with a bunch of early production art:

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Freezus, is it okay if I give you credit for the info on this? gonna use it in my analysis I'm putting together right now.


Sure, but the real credit should go to slashfilm - I only shared that link and swiped these pictures from them. But if you want to give me credit, go ahead.

Also the Death Star underwater wreckage pictures came from this link: https://medium.com/@craigpartain/star-wars-the-first-teaser-for-episode-ix-is-here-lets-speculate-8d4defbfc962

But really - like I said you can easily dig up the Art of TFA book and you’ll see a lot of early concept artwork like the ones above in the book.


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Lucas never should have sold it.

He has to live with the consequences.

Regret sucks.

I don't understand why he didn't keep it and let someone else run it and make the films.

He had Filoni. He could've gotten Favreau.

I'd rather see a Favreau Star Wars movie than a JJ Abrams one.

And fuck Rian Johnson.

I guess it came down to not wanting to risk his own cash for movies he was not making himself.


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Lucas never should have sold it.

He has to live with the consequences.

Regret sucks.

I don't understand why he didn't keep it and let someone else run it and make the films.

He had Filoni. He could've gotten Favreau.

I'd rather see a Favreau Star Wars movie than a JJ Abrams one.

And fuck Rian Johnson.

I guess it came down to not wanting to risk his own cash for movies he was not making himself.



Nah, it came down to not wanting to be "that guy that made Star Wars" as far as the Fandom Menace was concerned. Remember this is the same guy that hates his fans and thinks "we should get a job."


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Lucas never should have sold it.

He has to live with the consequences.

Regret sucks.

I don't understand why he didn't keep it and let someone else run it and make the films.

He had Filoni. He could've gotten Favreau.

I'd rather see a Favreau Star Wars movie than a JJ Abrams one.

And fuck Rian Johnson.

I guess it came down to not wanting to risk his own cash for movies he was not making himself.



Nah, it came down to not wanting to be "that guy that made Star Wars" as far as the Fandom Menace was concerned. Remember this is the same guy that hates his fans and thinks "we should get a job."


Lucas never hated his fans! Not by far. But remember this is the guy who got burned online by his fans for 15 years over ever decicion he made and everything he released. Nothing was good enough for the so called fans...

And his remark about getting a job was for some autograph hunters who tried to get him sign multiple stuff and then sell it on ebay...


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