Episode V • Empire Strikes Back • DVD Discussion

[Ternian]

Discuss.

[Dogg Thang]

And continuing the 'he looks nothing like' theme that I started in the ANH thread - the Emperor in ESB still looks no more like RotJ Emperor than the monkey lady did. It could be anyone under that make-up, it doesn't even sound all that much like McDiarmad. How it was so difficult to get the make-up to match RotJ I'll never understand. The ESB make-up looks too solid, like a mask. Yep I know this has been discissed before but I didn't dl the rips so I'm only seeing him move now. Once again though, the transfer is superb. Kiwi Fett can go bite my shiny metal ass though.

Dogg.

[PTGrievous]

Thought the Emperor looked weird before, but now it looks normal...
Give it some time, I'm sure you will feel the same.

Don't like Tem's delivery of Boba's lines too much (maybe just too used to hearing the old voice), but otherwise, awesome - no major complaints.

[Jimbo Asprilla]

I find Temura Morrison's accent a little too strong, I expect to see Boba Fett carrying a surf board and holding a can of Fosters.

[Projbalance]

I felt that TM's lines just didn't sit in the mix properly, the same with Palp's dialouge. The new lines had to have been recorded digitally and then mixed in, unlike the rest ofthe dialouge which was recorded analouge and then digitized and then mixed in. There would be a difference in overall fidelity and frequency response between the two, like many auiophiles will point out.

As far as Palps' makeup is concerned, I beleive the problem is there is no way to exactly re-create the makeup as it was in '82 when Jedi was shot. Ian's stint on the film probably didn't require more than a few days worth of filming, so I don't think the makeup was archived very well. Or perhaps the crew decided that they could, instead of just re-creating the makeup, would take the oppurtunity to improve upon it. I beleive it is the time issue: older actor, younger crew, newer makeup, HD photography, I beleive it all added up to a different lok in the end.

[foxbatkllr]

I find Temura Morrison's accent a little too strong, I expect to see Boba Fett carrying a surf board and holding a can of Fosters.

Fosters? You know that Tem is a kiwi right?

[Insert Username]

And Australians don't drink Fosters.

[KitFisto]

And Australians don't drink Fosters.

And Canadians don't drink Molson.

[Projbalance]

But Billy Dee DOES drink Colt 45!

[Jimbo Asprilla]

I find Temura Morrison's accent a little too strong, I expect to see Boba Fett carrying a surf board and holding a can of Fosters.

Fosters? You know that Tem is a kiwi right?

Appologies, what a basic schoolboy error.

[JonLees]

Colors dead on? LOL

I guess you missed the pink lightsaber.

[Projbalance]

By dead on I think he was referring to things like flesh tones, black level, and color stability. If memory serves, the issue of the saber coor problems was covered elsewhere on the site, but I cant recall which thread. It basically said that the restoration used a method that scanned the entire frame of film in order to balance the image as a whole under a certain set of parameters. There are many occasions where the white core of teh sabers created a heavy contrast imbalance that would wash out the frame (the infamous 'Sabers Across the Emperor' shot being one). In order to maintain balance throught the entire frame, many times the core of the saber was rationalized using the surrounding pixel data, which was ofter the colored saber 'corona', usually resulting in some shade of grey or a lighter shade of whatever color the saber was. The same effect occured on some of the explosions where there was a really "hot" center to it. The only way to fix these things is to go into each frame, isolate each element, and individually color correct, and this was just outside the scope of the program that did the cleanup. However, as far as total color balance, contrast, brightness, fine object detail, black level, and presence of grain in the image, it really does not get much better than this.

[Longtime_Sunshine]

Can't stop watching this movie. I absolutely, fucking love The Empire Strikes Back. That being said....

As some know, I'm 15. I don't have extremely loud, obnoxious subwoofers or a plasma screen TV. In fact, I have a 27" TV that's about three years old with an Audiovox stereo system about the same age. Most of the time I watch Empire while doing homework, keeping the volume down so I don't disturb the four year old living next door.

Empire is the only movie in the trilogy that doesn't look it's age. A New Hope looks like 1977, Return of the Jedi looks like 1983, but Empire looks so different. As a wannabe director, I beleive a lot of the credit goes to Kersh. He knew that Star Wars looked totally 70s and created a world so clean and used at the same time. Hoth is white. Dagobah is green. Cloud City is orange/white/blue. Space is black/gray. It's the contrast in colors and worlds that make Empire crazy awesome.

There is that one frame during Luke and Vader's dual where Darth's lightsaber is a stick. (For those of you who don't watch Empire and don't know the frame of missing lightsaber redness, PM me for details. I want PMs, they're nice.) That's so not important, however, since Empire is easily the most important and best made Star Wars movie.


Ooops


I mean, this DVD looks great.

[Mentasm]

It's a bit of both actually. Luke definitely does say the line, but if you watch closely he says it twice. The first time is when he spins around and points the gun at Yoda. On this occasion there is no dialogue. Then the camera angle changes, and he says it again with dialogue.

The same thing happens when Tarkin is talking to Leia on the Death Star. He says the line 'then name the system' (in super shit quality dialogue mode), then as the camera angle switches he can clearly be seen mouthing the same words again.

This sort of thing goes on throught the films, where they've replaced lines or used alternate camera angles and takes.

[Tarkin]

Loved it.



The way the sabers looked were hypnotic... whew. I didn't see to many major changes to take away from it. And I hadn't noticed the subtitle thing up until the 3rd time I watched it on DVD(I usually blast the speakers instead). The clear picture enhancement made it seem three times the quality of ANH therefore making it seem more modern... more real.

~Tark

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