Liam Neeson - Ponderables of Quigon In ROTS

[ArisSlatr]

Some ponderables on Qui Gon/Neeson in episode 3.
I noted a few interesting comments on whether or not Liam was going to be casted. We all know Liam said he wasn't going to do another star wars movie, and the quote in episode 2 has been said to have been recorded in Ep 1.

I'd like to bring up some very interesting facts about the movies and Lucas in general.

Lucas is a planner. He doesn't plan whole movies, but he likes to do things ahead of time, and he likes to get things done with. He knows the general plot of things, but the twists fall into place. Notice that he cut the Han having a girlfriend in Episode 4, and he ended up with Leia. He left that open.

What am I getting at? Lucas always contracts people for all the movies. Liam Neeson is a great actor, and if he says something people are going to listen.

I think that he either recorded scenes already in Episode 1's filming, or he is actually going to be in Episode 3 as a ghost, or a notable voice.
There are so many parellel oppertunities that Lucas is so known for doing. Note Obi Wan in ROTJ, He appeared to Luke, "I thought I could train Anakin... I was wrong." Imagine Qui Gon admitting he was wrong.

Also note that in AOTC before Obi enters the Younglings Training room there is a statue, with a man who is holding an object, holding it just the same way as Anakin with the fruit. That statue looks just like Qui Gon! Anakin seems to have Qui Gons rebellious attitude, even to the note of "Obi Wan would be very grumpy if he saw me doing this."

The Voice with Yoda, which we all know about.

Finally an interesting plot connection that lays a huge chain of events. Note that Count Dooku wished for Qui Gons help. Think about Master Syfo-dyas, who is he? People are always guessing, but Obi said he died almost 10 years ago, without hesitation. I theorize that Syfo-Dyas is none other than Qui-Gon. Note the way Obi spoke of him, "...I was under the impression he died before then..." He says. Why wouldnt he say something with less of a personal touch. Obi seemed to know Syfo-Dias well.

There is too many small connections that imply that Liam outright lied that he wasn't contracted for ep 3, or that there were some underlying things going on to throw people off.

I know it seems like a long shot, but I think that there's more to Episode 3 and Neeson than people think.

[pjvader]

nah he just cant be arsed with it! if he wont even do a few lines of ADR for $£$£$$$$$$'s! they are going to need to one hella big dump truck full of money to even make him get out of bed for this one, i would say he is a lost cause, but i do hope im proven wrong
i always thought he would be the link to the "one day ill even stop people from dying" (might not be exact words but u know the bit!) and anakin would be the first to bring the spirits into vision

[ArisSlatr]

Well, I hope I'm right about the connections, at least some of the way. I always thought that Liam Neeson and Ewan made the PT worth watching. I enjoy them so far, but I really want to see my favorite actor in them make it in the last.

Also the signs seem to point to an elusive figure. I'd hate for it to be some new goof when if it were Liam, I wouldn't be able to contain myself.

Also if you look at his schedule, he seems to have had time in 2004 to do some scenes in the filming times. He also has open time to do it for the rest of the year. Although a busy man, there is a chance he can make it into the movie. Lucas does probably have a dumptruck full of money for Neeson anyways.

[pjvader]

Also if you look at his schedule, he seems to have had time in 2004 to do some scenes in the filming times. He also has open time to do it for the rest of the year. Although a busy man, there is a chance he can make it into the movie. Lucas does probably have a dumptruck full of money for Neeson anyways.

if he is "visible" in ep3 it would have to be shot in the pickups as he was defintely not on set anytime during the main shoot, if he is there in voice, they can do that up tll like a week before release! (AOTC had ammendments to the dlp version not done in time for the print version!)

[ArisSlatr]

Lets not forget that Lucas could have done filming in Episode 1 since he knew he'd only need Neeson for what, 10 minutes of footage. Also, I hate to say it, but the cutting room floor has plenty of footage of him doing things without a voice. They could do the magical thing where they take past footage and just use it.

[ArisSlatr]

From the Commentary of Star Wars Episode 2 - George Lucas -

This occurs when Anakin is slaughtering the Tusken Raiders.

"We cut to yoda and we hear a scream, and we do hear a voice in there. That voice is the voice of Qui-Gon Jinn. So we very subtly establish in this intense emotional connection that Yoda is feeling the pain of Anakin and the Tusken Raiders.
He's also making a connection unwittingly with Qui-Gon Jinn, and up to this point we haven't really established that you can make a connection with the departed in this world, and that will become a factor in the next one, lots of issues come out of that, Yoda making a connection with Qui-Gon Jinn in this one."

[Ternian]

Still wondering what the point of Mace is...

[ArisSlatr]

Mace was a strong high level person of the republic, he was the person to make Boba hate the Senate, and the Jedi. (Guess anyways)

Also, another note on the Sifo-Dyas theory, Qui-Gon would be in AOTC very little if he were Sifo-Dyas. Obviously, he wasn't in it very much. One rep from the Star Wars insiders stated that we'll see characters in a different light from episode III, what if Qui-Gon were actually friends with Dooku the whole time.

It's very farfetched, but that would put an entirely dark overtone to Qui-Gon in EP1. I honestly dont even think thats the case, but it's something to think about.

[Vanda]

Lucas has said that Qui-Gon's involvment next time would be more complicated than in Episode II. Pablo Hidalgo said that there will be no Force Ghosts in Episode III.

So if all goes to plan, it seems as if Liam would have to (or has already) record some dialogue for Episode III.

[VT-16]

Then it would be like Obi-Wan´s ghost in ANH, only a disembodied voice... If he´s in it at all, that is.

[pjvader]

Still wondering what the point of Mace is...

racial equality? imagine the fuss if the only brother in the PT was jar jar!

i saw the t.f.i. programme here in the UK where sam L. jackson blagged his part! the interviewer asked him if there was any film he would like to have been in and he said star wars then they said what about the new ones that they will be making and he said cool yeah i could be lando's dad or something! the casting director was watching the programme and the rest was history! and we all know the "windu" mythology so the character(well the name!) was there from the begining from a certain point of view, i just see it as adding some cool factor to the PT plus getting a relatively big name who actually wanted to be there was a bonus!

[ThePride]

Qui Gon cannot end up being Sifo-dyas.

Don't Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda have dialogue in AotC while Obiwan is on Kamino, about how Sifo-Dyas was killed on some other mission?

[ArisSlatr]

The thing is that 10 years is a very loose phrase, and remember, lucas is known for bending the truth. One could very easily get away with it.

"They say a master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the
request of the Senate almost ten years ago.
I was under the impression he was killed
before that"

This is the quote your looking for. Note the wording. Before the time the clone army was ordered apparently this person died. Fitting Qui-Gon right in the correct time-frame. (Before almost ten years ago would be about 10 years ago!)

Your "win point" has been rendered incorrect.

Besides, I don't go around galavanting that I win or lose in Star Wars debates. That would just be nerdy...

[pjvader]

Your "win point" has been rendered incorrect.

Besides, I don't go around galavanting that I win or lose in Star Wars debates. That would just be nerdy...

BACTA WINS!!
u dont deal with women very often huh?
this has nothing to do with the fact that im her slave either :heavymetal2:

[ArisSlatr]

I believe in equal rights. Screw gender roles, I'm not looking to get laid here. I'm here to discuss.

[SnakePlisken]

We all know Liam said he wasn't going to do another star wars movie

Liam Neeson never said this to my knowledge. Best we can hope for is some audio from him since there aren't any force ghosts in RotS.

[ArisSlatr]

ArisSlatr wrote:
We all know Liam said he wasn't going to do another star wars movie

Liam Neeson never said this to my knowledge. Best we can hope for is some audio from him since there aren't any force ghosts in RotS.

I was wondering about this. There are rumors around saying he didn't like his time with Star Wars, but he just doesn't seem to say much. Again this feuls the question of whether Lucas is doing one of his famous secret plot moves.

[Vrolokus]

Qui-Gonn is NOT Syfo-Dias. This is covered territory.

Looking just at the film itself, why on earth would Obi-Wan refer to Qui' as "Syfo-Dias" when talking to Mace and Yoda, when every other time he comes up he calls him by his "regualr" name Qui-gonn? And Obi's comment to Yoda and Mace almost suggests he's not even clear on the details of Syfo-Dias's death - "I was under the impression..."? Kenobi was there to see Qui-Gonn killed right before his eyes. In fact, his comment on Syfo-Dias' death is actually a question - "I thought that...?" to which Mace responds.

Why would Lucas have this in there, if Qui-gonn and Syfo-Dias are the same person - just to confuse the audience?

But most importantly, early drafts had "Syfo-Dias" as "Sidious". If Syfo-Dias is anyone (and not just a red herring), then it's simply Palpatine, or at least some alias of his.

[ArisSlatr]

"They say a master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the
request of the Senate almost ten years ago.
I was under the impression he was killed
before that"

The way the question is phrased is perfect that it raises whether he was questioning whether the army was insighted before of after his death. Not that his death happened before of after the insightment. This may be a small detail, but it's a carfully worded detail. That is why it is so interesting.

Obi-Wan also spoke in familiarity of Sifo-Dyas. He spoke as if he knew him. If you replace with Sifo-Dyas it still works with Qui-Gon. Observe,

They say a master Qui-Gon Jinn
placed the order for a clone army at the
request of the Senate almost ten years ago.
I was under the impression he was killed
before that"

If you say that sidious replaced sifo-dyas in earlier drafts, I must concede it is probably just an alter-ego of Sidious. I don't like the idea of the Jedi just disreagarding the fact that Sidious isn't and hasn't ever been part of the Jedi Council. Qui-Gon wasn't either, but you must realize he was so closely tied to them, he could get away without too much question.

[kerouac777]

If it's anything other than simple, I'm going to be bothered. QG is done, ya'll. If he isn't, then the story is just too convoluted.

"Do what I said, 'cause I said it, bitch!"

[ArisSlatr]

Why, what reasoning would Sifo Dyas be GG, GG isnt a jedi, and they at the council dont know about him. It makes no sense.

[rhonderoo]

Still wondering what the point of Mace is...

Ditto.

[E_CHU_TA!]

Mace is the Jedi “everyman.” His purpose is to exemplify the qualities of a true Jedi. Mace is honor bound and contemplative, but also a man of action if need be. GL doesn’t want to spend time establishing these concepts with the other background Jedi (i.e. Ki Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, ect). So, he uses Mace to as shorthand.

[JohnS]

Still wondering what the point of Mace is...

Ditto.

Every saga needs a bald black man

That is going up as the quote of the day.

[SI]

If this turns into another stupid fucking ".........." = Sifo-Dyas thread I'm locking it pronto.

[balrix]

fer fucks sake.. SHUT UP!!!! WHO GIVES A FUCK?!?!?!?! when the hell did starwars fans become more geeky than trekkies??? "what if..." "what about..." "isnt it possible..." shut the fuck up!!!! stupid ass inane "discussion" go back to arguing who would win in a fight between superman and the incredible hulk :jfc:

[Lord Tuvitor]

At this point, Liam Neeson would be welcome as far as I am concerned in Revenge of the Sith, if it would contribute to the backstory and such, but I do not see him as being the slightest bit necessary.

[Emperor's Prize]

As AOTC proved, you don't need Liam Neeson to have Qui-Gon's character in ROTS. There are many ways, through dialogue for example, to give Qui-Gon's character significance.

[SI]

Sifo-Dyas is still a leading member of the Jedi Council, is he not...



Maybe I'm just not hearin' ya?

[Obi Wan Jabroni]

Sidious got to Dooku before he quit the Jedi. Dooku then erased the records, killed Sifo-Dyas and he or Sidious ordered the clones.

[SI]

Didn't GL film a scene on tatooine of Obi delivering the twins to Owen and Beru during Episode 2 filming to use in episode 3?

that entire quote is sheep heresay and internet speculation gone wild.

[Ziggy]

They filmed background plates in Tunisia during AOTC.

That's it. Everything else is wild speculation.

[Ziggy]

It was Dooku that ordered the clones using the name Syfo-Dyas. I can't belive people still dont see that.

[Kermit]

Agreed it was Dooku.

Remember Dooku is Sidious' fall guy. Palps doesn't get his hands dirty. Dooku takes the risks.

This is a Liam Neeson thread, now lets get back to that.

[Vanda]

Syfo-Dyas=General Grievous... Nuff said!

That has actually crossed my mind as well..

Well it should uncross it, because that one's been shot down officially many times.

[Lord Seafood]

Whoever he is, Mace and Yoda have to at least have some suspicion of who it was. When Obi-Wan mentioned Sifo-Dyas, Mace and Yoda shared a look that clearly suggested they knew something Obi-Wan didn't.

Er... no, they just realised someone had been using a dead Jedi's name and thought it was suspicious.

[SI]

Didn't GL film a scene on tatooine of Obi delivering the twins to Owen and Beru during Episode 2 filming to use in episode 3?

that entire quote is sheep heresay and internet speculation gone wild.

No, I actually remember seeing an actual video of George Lucas saying that he did film a scene for episode 3 during episode 2 while on location in Tunisia. He also added that he did that because he wasn't coming back to film any on location stuff for 3.

yes, he shot footage for ROTS whilst in Tunisia to save going back on location. That's all we know. Anything else is sheep heresay and specualtion gone wrong.

[Ziggy]

I think you are reading in way too much hatred from his statements.

If Qui-Gon was needed in more than episode 1, it would've been stipulated in his contract, and he'd be obligated to be a part of the later episodes.

In or out. As long as the movie is good, doesn't matter to me.


Edit: This post was in reply to someone who's posts got trimmed due to idiocy, not a reply to SI.

[SI]

Until I see or read an official statement from Neeson re his hatred towards SW, I'll assume the reason he isn't in AOTC and ROTS is because he wasn't asked to return.

[Sidious]

fer fucks sake.. SHUT UP!!!! WHO GIVES A FUCK?!?!?!?! when the hell did starwars fans become more geeky than trekkies??? "what if..." "what about..." "isnt it possible..." shut the fuck up!!!! stupid ass inane "discussion" go back to arguing who would win in a fight between superman and the incredible hulk

*RETARD ALLERT RETARD ALLERT.*