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Bush's answer to the worlds problems seems to be peace at the barrell of a gun. IF someone wrongs you, and you know where he lives, you dont bomb his entire block to get back at him. Bush's plan to combat terrorism is tantamount to American colonization of most of the middle eastern countries. we gon in there and rout their current political body, disrupt the infrastructure of their country, and the offer them our model of freedom and democracy upon which to base a new government. There are two problems with this;
1) Most of those countries are ruled by their relegious sectors, not their political sectors.
2) We would need to maintain a constant military presence in that country to combat the freedom fighters (we call THEM insurgents in their own country) who want us out.
Their culture simply will not adjust to our way of doing things because so much of it runs counter to their relegious beliefs. And yes, Saddam was a bad dude, we get that, but by hook or by crook he kept the peace in his country. And since the people there did NOT rise up on their own to fight for their own independance like so many other people have, maybe in the ned that iron fisted rule is what the really wanted. Who are any of us to say what's right for another culture of people? Perhaps instead of blowing the shit out of every oil rich country that we percieve as being a threat, we should be examining the issues of why these "terrorists" are so hostile.
Freeman, I respect you as a man of intellect, but I totally dissagree with you on so many issues. What is this clear vision Bush has that so many speak of because, honestly, I don't see it. His administraion, and in part the president himself, has been part to so much deception and mistruth these last four years it is utterly frightening. The whole 911 story about terrorists, that mid air phone call, it's all bullshit. I don't know who was really behind it, but there is more than enough available data to punch some very large holes in the story. And the amount of data that is simply not available for reasons of "national security" casts further suspicion. Just the implasible story of how hijackers from Saudi Arabia, working for a psychotic recluse form Afghanistan, led us to war in Iraq and possibly Iran in the name of combating terrorism around the globe is like the plot of some bad movie. I'm not gonna lay out all the details here, (the pod on the plane, the mysterious flash that was not connetd to the collision of the second plane, the demolition style collapse of the buildings, the fact that the archetects and designers of the towers have gone on record to say that there is no way that kind of collision could have knocked the towers dow, the fat that all the government offices in teh buildings were vacant on that non-holiday morning, the order to "pull" building seven which had NOT been hit, the dissaperance of the gas station surveilance tape that had a clear view of the pentagon when it was hit, the lack of wreckage on the pentagon lawn, the lack of damage TO the pentagon lawn, the impossible scale difference between the hole in the side of the pentagon and the size of the plane that supposedly hit it, the fact that none of the bodies of the passengers on the planes have been identified, the fact that according to the federal air commission none of the planes that were "hijacked" were even scheduled to fly that day, that clear as crystalk recording of a cell phone call from the plane that isn't possible to have been made because the first announcment of available technology to allow cell phone transmissions from planes was just made three months ago) Bush has ridden on the back of some very shakey information for the last two years, and everytime he gets backed into a corner, he starts pressing the 'orange" alert button and scares people away from whatever else is going on. He doesnt have a plan to get out of Iraq that's any different than Kerry's, he has completly dropped the ball on civil rights, womens rights, the environment, the economy(which many analylists say was NOT in decline before he took office), he has squandered the largest budget surplus this country has ever had, and he's play fucking Stratego with the lives of our friends and children, as well as the children in the rest of the world. Richard Nixon once said, "If a president can not bring you peace in four years, he does not deserve a second term." Richard Nixon for god sake!!
And Tony, the US was one of the last countries to join WWII because, since we had not been attacked, we had no excuse to go until Pearl Harbor(which, I'm not going to dispute the awefulness of the event, but there is information that MIGHT lead one to summise that THAT attack was allowed to happen to allow the country to enter the fray in Europe) Many European countries and soldiers fought hard and suffered under the Nazis LONG before we got into it. Most of the countries that were subjigated were so fallen because they had people inside that sympathised with the Nazi goal of racial purity. Hell, we had Nazi sympathisers here in the US that financially backed the party and pushed their agenda in the states, so don't go waving that bloody flag around because our hands are just as dirty as anyone elses in the world.
I love this country and the ideals we have in place that I beleive most of us here(including all of us on this board by, value of our willingness to discuss such things) want desperatley to live up to. But we have a bloody, terrorist like history of conquering here on our on soil to contend with, so we are really no true model for any other country other than to say, "The ideas we hold are the ideals that all men, regardless of country of birth or god of worship, should hold and fight for under their own spirit of liberty and independance, and that no mans idea of freedom should have domain over the independant spirit of another." Those are, in my opinion, the ideals this country was founded on. I beleive our place in the world should be to stand as a model for everyone else to look up to, so other countries will want to aspire to the ideas and ideals we hold. When that becomse the case, we won't have to go shooting up the world to combat evil, because the people of the world will stand united against it.
But what do I know, I'm just a kid who likes Star Wars and doesn't want to see people seperated by ignorance and fear.
*EDIT* Sorry, I guess I got a little hot there. Didn't mean to be confrontational and I apoogise if anyone feels attacked in this post.
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