Anakin's Eyes

[GoldenSaber]

As we have seen in the new trailer, at one point Anakin has the signature yellow eyes the other Siths have. Why do you think this is? And why doesn't he have the yellow eyes when he's dueling with Obi-Wan?

My theory is that this is a dream sequence. Perhaps Anakin is still having bad dreams. I like the idea of Anakin NOT having the yellow eyes because it makes him unique. That's what I loved about Count Dooku. He wasn't a typical Sith. Just by looking at him and listening him, he seems like someone you can trust. He wasn't scary at all and that's what was so cool about him.

[GoldenSaber]

I don't necessarily have a problem with him having the yellow eyes. Perhaps the hue goes "on and off" so to speak, maybe signaling Anakin's emotional instability.

I don't like the idea of doing something in the trailer that's not going to be in the movie so hopefully that's not the case. It's just inconsistent.

[Wrath Mania]

Meh, they'll be complaining about things far worse. And who cares if they do.

I suspected it was probably just for the trailer, considering his eyes don't look like that in any other shot.

[Insert Username]

I hope it isn't just for the trailer because I jumped to the conlcusion that there's a way to link Anakin's physical changes (ie: his eyes) to the drastic changes in Palpatine and Sidious' appearances in that teaser. Namely that the more dark side you use the more rotten you get right? So Anakin goes dark side and his eyes get funky. But maybe Sidious has to use so much dark side to defeat Mace and Yoda that it turns him rotten on the spot.

I dunno....just a sheep theory

[Zidious]

This is quite different from having a scene not show up in the movie. We all understand cuts are made before release. But to go and turn Anakin's eyes yellow in one of the most striking shots in the trailer when there is no intention of doing so in the movie strikes me as ridiculous.

[KitFisto]

I think he will only go yellow when he is getting fucking pissed. Then BOOM. Then they will go off. I'll be pissed if he doesn't have them in the final cut

[KitFisto]

In RotJ Anakin has normal eyes. So looks like GL can do whatever he wants.

[KitFisto]

Right now it just looks really cool and I'm happy with it

[raptor10001]

I'm guessing it's sorta like how Palpatine is using the force to conceal his true visage. All Sith at one point or another have the yellow eyes. Darth Maul was just so hardcore he had it all the time. Anakin will just have them probably for a moment when he gets really pissed and completely loses it.

Another thing is that Darth Maul was trained by Sidious for a LONG time (Sith Padawan?) and the eyes (along with the tatoo's) were a product of his extreme dedication to Sith teachings. Anakin and Dooku were betrayed to the dark side after being Jedi for a certain amount of time.

Slight Derail:
Also I think Dooku may not have been a true Sith but just a really angry dark jedi being manipulated by Palpatine, and at some point in RoTS he turns back to good because it goes with how GL likes to repeat themes, but that's a long shot.

P.S. There are NO dream sequences of any sort in Star Wars

[Insert Username]

There's been nothing in other SW films except linear storytelling, no visual flahbacks or dream sequences. The closest thing I can think of is the dark side cave where Luke fights ghost Vader in ESB but I seriously doubt GL would change a winning mix at this point.

[nomad]

There is a good example in an old movie called Dirty Rotten Scoundrels where in the trailer there is a scene of one of the said scoundrels pushing an old lady into the sea as they are walking on a platform along the beach.

When I watched this in the trailer my sadistic side cacked itself and was eager to see this in the actual movie.. I was so disappointed when in the movie there was no such scene - this gives precadent to adding fictional scenes to trailers to add to shock value which is what the anikan yellow eyed scene seems to have done very well for in the RotS teaser trailer...

That being said... I'd be very disappointed (just like I was with the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels movie) if I do not see that same scene in the final cut of RotS.

[Dingo]

Just a quick thing in regards to the whole Maul red and black colourings, the "official" explanation is that there are more than one species of Zabrak, just as there are multiple Nikto species after the variants seen on Jabba's barge.

[Jason@Star-Wars.net]

I liked the possessed eyes. It was a cool touch. The shot they used was a great opportunity to convey the idea that Anakin is no longer the impatient youth from Attack of the Clones, but a fiend. The most important thing that shot had to offer was that it told normal people, not cats that hit up spoiler sites all day, that Anakin is no longer our “hero.” Especially since people only understand shit that is black or white (the implementation of this idea contributed to the success of the vintage trilogy, when it was dropped for this “grey” time in the galaxy it confused dumb fuck viewers of the prequels all around the world).

So, I am saying that if Anakin has the cloak on because he is sneaking up to Padme’s veranda for some sweet bun the oven love, I don’t think he needs yellow haunted eyes to make that happen. I sure as hell know that I don’t. It’s a cool detail, but the contexts of the plot in regards to the visual detail are what win out for me. If he’s sneaking out to get a pizza or bone his wife, yellow eyes are going to be excessive. If he’s on his way to murder the children of the Jedi Temple, leave em’ in, why the hell not?

[nomad]

I had a thought after reading jasons posts - would be awsomely timed if after the jedi younglings slaughter, anikan turns around to the surveillance camera to reveal his eyes filled with rage and furry to an unsuspecting yoda watching on the other end. Now that would be wicked.

[nomad]

I don't know for a fact that there are surveillance cameras in the jedi temple but I do recall someone (actually a few different posts most likely all getting their information from the one souce) stating that yoda and mace see the after math of the jedi temple slaughter on video surveillance.

EDIT: this would also explain why anikan appears to look directly at the camera.

EDIT AGAIN: I had another look at the trailer and its hard to tell where anikan is looking at with those yellow eyes - doesn't look like its at the camera at all so disregard my last edit :P

[I_SHOT_JR]

We havn't seen Lucas use a blatant dream sequence yet in any of the movies so far, but we have seen some scenes with a definite dreamy feel to them. Notably Luke's "meeting" with Vader in the Cave on Dagobah.

I mean, for all intents and purposes, Vader was not really there and everything Luke was seeing and experiencing could be equated to a sort of dream.

The thing also about that scene in the trailer is that Anakin turns to look directly into the camera, which further plays into theories that this may be a dream or vision someone else is having. Except for Boba Fett overstating his SE cameo in ANH, I can't really think of any other scenes in the movies where a character outright looks into the camera.

My thinking is that this is either a vision or dream which occurs IN THE MOVIE, either by Padme, Yoda, or Anakin himself, the latter mirroring Luke's Cave scene where he too was faced with who he would become if he succumbed to the Dark Side.

[Insert Username]

We havn't seen Lucas use a blatant dream sequence yet in any of the movies so far, but we have seen some scenes with a definite dreamy feel to them. Notably Luke's "meeting" with Vader in the Cave on Dagobah.

That's kinda exactly what I said about 10 posts back up the page:

There's been nothing in other SW films except linear storytelling, no visual flahbacks or dream sequences. The closest thing I can think of is the dark side cave where Luke fights ghost Vader in ESB but I seriously doubt GL would change a winning mix at this point.

Seriously, can we read the entire thread before posting the first thing that pops into our brains, kids?
Thx in advance for your compliance.

[I_SHOT_JR]

Sorry, buddy. I actually meant to credit you with the Cave thing in my original post. When I tried to log back in to edit it, my log in wouldn't go through.

So I figured, "fuck it, it's not like he's going to act like a bitch and whine about it anyway."

[Insert Username]

That's cool, it's just a general warning that we're sick of fucks generating redundant, bandwidth sucking shit on our boards.

Now on with the thread.

[Zidious]

And who fucking cares if Anakin's eyes are yellow or not in the movie?

Please provide us with your approved list of topics. I'm sure we will all agree to abide by it. Thank you.

[Luke Vader]

i think the sith eyes are kinda like Hulking Out...and the reason that Maul had them all the time was because he was overly evil, yet he had no real control over his powers in the Dark Side...Palps, Dooku, and Anakin have better control over Sithing Out and showing their true identities because they're stronger in the Dark Side and because they actually need to have control because they're playing both sides...

or maybe i'm just reading too much into it? probably the latter...

either way, i really dont think that they are there just for the trailer...at least, i hope not...

[Tim Lehrbach]

If it's not just for the trailer, it could be part of this scene.

[Biggs]

Unlike 75% of geekdom in this thread, said movie will not be ruined for me whether or not his eyes are yellow or not.

....seek. Professional. Help.

[raptor10001]

Slight Derail:
Also I think Dooku may not have been a true Sith but just a really angry dark jedi being manipulated by Palpatine, and at some point in RoTS he turns back to good because it goes with how GL likes to repeat themes, but that's a long shot.

I quit reading this thread when I got to this sack of shit. There are no dark Jedi in the movies. That is all EU bullshit. Dooku is Darth Tryanus, Dark Lord of the Sith. Period.

And who fucking cares if Anakin's eyes are yellow or not in the movie? Jesus Christ. It's not that big a deal. Get a life, people!

I am sorry for everything. I didn't mean it like that baby...I swear!

[Will Kane]

It's apparently an effect ONLY for the trailer. That effect will NOT be there in the movie.

That's what I'm hearing.

Well that's fuckin stupid. That is such a great shot that Lucas should not fuck with it. When I first saw it, my jaw dropped. Hell, it's my favorite part of the trailer.

Fatboy, let them know that they gotta keep the yellow/red eyes in the movie--it just oozes BAD MUTHAFUCKA.

[Will Kane]

If it's not just for the trailer, it could be part of this scene.

The background looks like the Mustafar Conference Room. I think that is Anakin turning his head as Obi Wan or Padme enters. Or maybe he is turning to face Nute Gunray.

[Will Kane]

Will, if I had that kind of juice, I'd be writing the movie

I thought you were--ain't you SS (posting from year 1998)?

Fatboy, what do u think of the eyes? As I said, I think it would be fuckin' badass to have it like that, that exact fuckin shot. If they get rid of the yellow eyes, at least keep that tight shot of him turning as he looks at Obi-Wan, Padme, or Gunray.

[Dogg Thang]

In the PT, have there been any shots in the trailers that were drastically altered just for the trailers before? It doesn't seem likely that this was created just for the trailer to me. What about Palpatine's yellow eyes in RotJ? That sets precedent. There is no reason why Anakin can't have yellow eyes at some point in this movie.

This will end up just like the WIP dvd debacle...

Dogg.

[Antiriad]

i think the sith eyes are kinda like Hulking Out...and the reason that Maul had them all the time was because he was overly evil, yet he had no real control over his powers in the Dark Side...Palps, Dooku, and Anakin have better control over Sithing Out and showing their true identities because they're stronger in the Dark Side and because they actually need to have control because they're playing both sides...

Im with this assessment. Sith eyes burn yellow when they are filled with anger, hatred and rage and thereby the full strength of the Dark Side. I cant help but think this shot of Anakin is him turning round to see Obi Wan who has discovered him after he's just butchered the leaders of the Seperatists and he's still on a Sith 'high'.

Then when a Sith becomes totally hooked on the Dark Side like Maul and Sidious their eyes are perma yellow (like the Fremen after prolonged Melange use) - just that Palpatine (and Dooku presumeably) is so strong in the Dark Side he is able to use it to hide his true form.

[I_SHOT_JR]

I don't know, despite FB's insistance, this shot's gotta be in the movie. In the OT, Luke's confrontation with Vader in the Cave ended with him having to literally come face to face with his possible Dark Side future if he rushed off to face Vader on Bespin.

There's gotta be a scene like that in the PT, if for no other reason then to set-up Luke's Dagobah duel. That way, for folks watching the films in chronological order, when they roll around to TESB and see Luke's dreamlike scene where he sees himself as a Sith, they'll be reminded of Anakin doing the Maul-eyes in ROTS, and that scene will gain added peril as we see that this just might be a foreshadowing that the younger Skywalker too will end up joining the Dark Side like his father.

I think the yellow eyes vision/warning will be in the movie, and it'll be Anakin's fork in the road.

I mean, let's put this into context. Imagine if back in 79 we had seen a TESB teaser trailer which showed Luke chopping off Vaders head on Dagobah, with the face plate blasting away to show Luke's face underneath. I'm sure there would have been tons of people yelling "Marketing ploy! No way this'll be in the actual film!".

[Jankarl_Fett]

Until the next trailer comes out (hoping it will share some more light on this subject, i.e. more scenes with Anankin yellow eyes..) I'm with the "An sfx only for the teaser trailer" group.

[Dogg Thang]

Okay Fatboy, the rest of us can provide two other Sith that have been shown with yellow eyes. Provide us with an example of Lucasfilm creating shots only for use in a trailer.

The fact that you simply don't like the 'hulking out' idea does not mean it won't be in the movie. If that was the case, how come I had to put up with Jar-Jar? Or AotC CPO? Or council scenes?

Dogg.

[Dogg Thang]

Okay, but all I'm hearing is that you don't think it will be in the movie simply because you don't like it. Do you have any more to go on than that?

Dogg.

[Terrormaster]

Well, as kewl as it looks, I'm with Fatboy on this one - it's a gimmick for the trailer. Heh, look at all the talk it's stirred up - I believe it's achieved it's goal.

Three other possibilities exists if it IS in the flic:

1. It's a pseudo dream sequence that Anakin has akin to Luke's hallucination in the darkside tree - where you see yourself becoming your worst fear; for luke it was becoming vader... perhaps for Anakin, it's becoming like Maul... It's all symbolism.

2. (the less likely) LFL is testing the market to see how fans feel about it with the idea of possibily adding it.

3. We aren't looking at Anakin here - perhaps it's Sid's using his darkside cloaking thing to make someone believe he's Anakin - perhaps Yoda before they duel.

The "hulk out" makes the least amount of sense - we just don't have precedence for it in any other episode to date (and theres not much room or screentime for it in ROTS to be explained).

Terrormaster

[Dogg Thang]

The line in AotC was not comparable because it wasn't created specifically for the trailer. But, hey, we'll see.

I personally think that changing his eyes to yellow due to exposure to the dark side is fine. Changing them back quickly is not. The only thing with doing it at all is that he didn't have yellow eyes at the end of RotJ. I suppose, if they did go yellow at all, that shows they could go back but I reckon the yellow eyes thing could be a little cheesy as an indicator of a Sith. It's just one more thing that removes the Light/Dark side choice from everyday decisions if you know what I mean - it turns the Sith Lords into a breed rather than a choice in a sense.

Of course, that only means something to me because of my perception of it all as a child and, bearing in mind the state of the Emperor in RotJ, doesn't really matter now.

The only other thing is that Palpatine's degeneration does not seem to be a gradual thing judging by that one shot in the trailer. That seems odd to me. I actually half expected his eyes to be a little yellowy in AotC. I'll just have to wait and see where he is going with that one.

Dogg.

[kremzike]

Hmmmm, I just had a thought. I haven't decided if I think the eyes are trailer only or actually in the movie. But when reading this thread & some of the questions, I thought of this. Dooku does not have the yellow eyes, but he is a Sith Lord. Has anyone brought up the fact that Palpatine's eyes have not been yellow in the prequels yet and will apparently only be yellow once he reveals himself as Sidious? Wait, i'm not done. Here's what i'm really getting at. We've all read/heard the theories that Sidious is able to hide his true appearance by using the Dark Side. Well, then, isn't it possible for Dooku to do the same?

It's hard to lock this theory down since we haven't seen Episode 3 and haven't seen Sidious change from his normal Chancellor look to his Sith Lord look, so who knows exactly what might be involved? All i'm saying is that it's possible that, if the eyes are a Sith trait that all Sith Lords have, yet Sidious uses the Dark Side to hide his Sith apperance, Dooku could do the same. While Yoda did know Dooku was using the Dark Side, he didn't know that he was actually Darth Tyranus, Dark Lord Of The Sith. Plus Dooku did try to get Obi-Wan to help him destroy the Sith (or that was his ruse to get Obi-Wan to help him destroy Sidious and take Obi-Wan as his apprentice, but that's so another topic). But my point there is that he had reason to hide his appearance, so as not to give the visual clue that he was indeed a Sith Lord himself (though it can also be said that "How do the Jedi know that yellow eyes on a force user = Sith?" and countless other questions).

As for ROTJ's Sebastian Shaw sans helmet not having yellow eyes, it can be argued that, if this effect is indeed in Episode 3 once Anakin turns, he had returned to the good side and no longer had the yellow eyes. But, like I said earlier, i'm not sold on the eye thing being in or out of ROTS. I'm just thinking of ways it can work in the saga is it is indeed in the movie and not just a trailer effect.

[Dogg Thang]

As for ROTJ's Sebastian Shaw sans helmet not having yellow eyes, it can be argued that, if this effect is indeed in Episode 3 once Anakin turns, he had returned to the good side and no longer had the yellow eyes.

Yep, but this would mean that they can turn back quite quickly, something which would be close to the 'hulking out' idea. Unless he, like Dooku in your theory, was actively hiding his true eyes from his son which would add a hint of deception to his end that I don't think would work.

Dogg.

[Gordon_AScot]

As for ROTJ's Sebastian Shaw sans helmet not having yellow eyes, it can be argued that, if this effect is indeed in Episode 3 once Anakin turns, he had returned to the good side and no longer had the yellow eyes. But, like I said earlier, i'm not sold on the eye thing being in or out of ROTS. I'm just thinking of ways it can work in the saga is it is indeed in the movie and not just a trailer effect.

Hi, I'm new here. I had to quickly register to add that please remember when dying on the DeathStar Anakin asks Luke to "let me look on you WITH MY OWN EYES" (quoted from memory, may not be exact). And remember the effort to colour Shaw's eyes like Christensen's in the new DVD version.

I think his eyes DO turn yellow.

Gordon,
Edinburgh

[Antiriad]

All i'm saying is that it's possible that, if the eyes are a Sith trait that all Sith Lords have, yet Sidious uses the Dark Side to hide his Sith apperance, Dooku could do the same. But my point there is that he had reason to hide his appearance, so as not to give the visual clue that he was indeed a Sith Lord himself (though it can also be said that "How do the Jedi know that yellow eyes on a force user = Sith?" and countless other questions).

Well this was my point also. Dooku is obviously more powerful than Darth Maul as he was able to take out both Obi Wan and Anakin (not to mention the use of Force lightning - something Vader never did either) whilst contending with Yoda and so you'd think would be powerful enough like Sidious to hide his form - and due to his part to play has the motivation to do so.

Still Fatboy has some very good points, Anakins eyes are clearly normal when he is battling Obi Wan later on (when the grip of the Dark Side on him is the same) and when he went ape on the Tuskens so it very well could be a trailer trick.

[Forcechoke]

My take on it was that after the Mustafar slaughter, Anakin was standing there meditating on the Dark Side and his new abilities, soaking himself in it. I'd like 'em to keep it, maybe not for the entire duel, but just that part when we see just how much bad he's done.

But oh well, if FB says it ain't gonna be there, I tend to believe him. Another missed opportunity to amp up the cool in the Prequels.

THAT we do have a precedent for.

[Wrath Mania]

Yeah, definetly man

[kremzike]

I had to quickly register to add that please remember when dying on the DeathStar Anakin asks Luke to "let me look on you WITH MY OWN EYES"

I purposely didn't bring this line up because I was actually hoping this particular can of worms wouldn't get opened! :P Only because it takes the original intent of his line to an entirely different place than it was intended. Then we'd have to get into the whole "Does his scope of vision change with the super Sith-y eyes?" or whatever. He's talking about the eyes on his mask and that's it. If they decided to take it to the point where he meant his normal eyes as opposed to his Sith eyes, it'd require the difference in Sith vision to be explained/shown and I just don't think that it's necessary and now I truly hope FB is right because the eye thing itself is also unnecessary, and if he were gonna have them at all he should've had them during the duel, which he doesn't.

And please, don't anybody bring up Palpatine's line about how Luke will "pay the price for your lack of vision"

[Wrath Mania]

There's probably other boards out there that would bother to discuss stupid theories such as that.

[raptor10001]

I had to quickly register to add that please remember when dying on the DeathStar Anakin asks Luke to "let me look on you WITH MY OWN EYES"

I purposely didn't bring this line up because I was actually hoping this particular can of worms wouldn't get opened! :P Only because it takes the original intent of his line to an entirely different place than it was intended. Then we'd have to get into the whole "Does his scope of vision change with the super Sith-y eyes?" or whatever. He's talking about the eyes on his mask and that's it. If they decided to take it to the point where he meant his normal eyes as opposed to his Sith eyes, it'd require the difference in Sith vision to be explained/shown and I just don't think that it's necessary and now I truly hope FB is right because the eye thing itself is also unnecessary, and if he were gonna have them at all he should've had them during the duel, which he doesn't.

And please, don't anybody bring up Palpatine's line about how Luke will "pay the price for your lack of vision"

Thanks a lot. That's one thing I wish I didn't read.

[Will Kane]

It's entirely possible that this shot was created specifically for the trailer and that's there's no intention of it being in the film. I don't simply mean the eye effect; I mean the entire shot.

And that would be terrible, IMO. If you wanna eliminate the yellow eyes, fine. But the closeup of Anakin turning to look at someone (either Obi-Wan/Padme entering the conference room, or Nute Gunray-his last victim) is great. If it was a long shot that showed him turning but caught his whole body and left some more room in the frame above him, that wouldn't look as good. The close-up on the partially-covered face is outstanding, with or without the eyes.

[Obi]

I agree. That's probably right after he slices Mousy in half.

[circle_is_completeIV]

Anakin's eyes are such because his soul has been consumed by the Dark Side...he's on a 'dark side high' so to speak...

As far as Dooku...perhaps his eyes didn't change color because he:

a) is a more logical than emotional user of the force.
b) he joined the Dark Side for political rather than personal reasons.
c) he is trying to destroy the Dark Side from the inside...ala Luke in Dark Empire, but finds himself being tempted by the power it provides.

[SI]

fuck me these theories are all whack

[Dogg Thang]

A 'dark side high'? Man, if Lucas turns the Dark Side into some drug metaphor I'll puke.

Dogg.

[FittenTrim: The Movie]

While I agree with Fatboy, that the eyes are probably only for the trailer...

Let me disagree with some of his other points


While the Incredibles teaser did feature the belt scene, which wasn't in the movie... it isn't a perfect correlation to the RotS eyes shot IMHO.

After watching the Belt Scene Teaser for the Incredibles, People didn't then think: Ooo, I want to see that scene in the movie. They saw the whole scene, they weren't anxious to see the scene again; didn't need to. They thought "I want to see that." In this case 'that' = the movie.

But with the Anakin eyes shot from the teaser, people did think "That looks awesome, I can't wait to see that." In this case, 'That' = Evil Anakin with sinister eyes. But 'that' WON'T be in the movie... which could backfire if the Evil Anakin scene doesn't live up to the enormous hype its created.

Following that tanget, one huge problem for the PT is that to many people, it hasn't lived up to the enormous hype created by the OT and the PT's own trailers.


And on a further tanget, I don't think the belt scene was just made for the teaser. In the movie, Mr/Capt Incredible goes from a blue suit to a red suit. I believe the belt scene was a cut scene from when Mr. Incredible was trying on the red costume for the first time.