MF HARDCOPY: The Tragedy Of Darth Plagueis the Wise

[Ternian]

It's up.

http://www.millenniumfalcon.com

[Misfit]

Awesome. Love that Sidous quote.

[Benovite]

Haha what a hoot. Palps is molding that boy like he's putty.

Sidious probably killed Plagueis.

[jasperjones]

The most interesting part to me was about influencing the midichlorians to create life. Anakin was created by the midichlorians....mmm

edit-Xander beat me to it.

The quote is a great line.

Thanks Tern

[Hade]

This is just more minutiae that Lucas can never explain.

[PTGrievous]

I LOVE that quote!
:O

This update rocks!

[jasperjones]

how can he not explain it? Does he even need to? If Palps tells a story that gives us enough exposition to understand Palps's manipulation and Anakin's motivation, what more is there to explain?

[Sith Apprentice]

Anakin asks “Would it be possible to learn this secret in some way?”

That dialouge sounds a little to,well have should we put it.....FAKE Come on George would never write sutch a cheesy dialouge. That dialouge is FAKE as hell.

[Hade]

What?

His whole writing style is based in cheesy dialogue.

“We used to lie on the sand and let the sun dry us...and try to guess the names of the birds singing." - PADMÉ

"All right... his name was Palo. I was twelve. We were both in the Legislative Youth Program. He was a few years older then I...very cute...dark curly hair...dreamy eyes." - PADME

Hell, bad soap operas aren't this bad.

how can he not explain it? Does he even need to? If Palps tells a story that gives us enough exposition to understand Palps's manipulation and Anakin's motivation, what more is there to explain?

Explaining how this Sith Lord could accomplish such a feat.

He'll barely touch upon it. And what he does, well, it will make little to no sense.

[The Dark Shape]

Anakin asks “Would it be possible to learn this secret in some way?”

That dialouge sounds a little to,well have should we put it.....FAKE Come on George would never write sutch a cheesy dialouge. That dialouge is FAKE as hell.

"I don't like sand. It's corse and rough and irritating. And it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything's soft and smooth."

[nomad]

there are some interesting arguements for sidious being anikans father... either way the subtle nature of sidious is inspiring.

[Hade]

"I don't like sand. It's corse and rough and irritating. And it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything's soft and smooth."

Good one.

Heck, we could do this all night.

[jasperjones]

Hade, firstly, Palps is probably lying to Anakin. Secondly, there will probably be more explained about this, perhaps during the sith history lesson, and thirdly, I don't think it's that important that we know the details of how such a power would work, just that Sidious tells Anakin this power exists. It's a mcguffin in a sense.

[jasperjones]

Ternian, does Sidious have anything to do with Anakin's creation?

sorry double post

[jasperjones]

That would be very cool. And really tie into the whole balance thing.

[jasperjones]

Agreed. "if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine". The sith don't have a clue

[The Dark Shape]

Which gives a nice little resonance to Vader kicking at Obi-Wan's robes. "What. The. Fuck?"

[Salacious Crumb]

Do we think then Anakin will mention this supposed power over death in the duel - only for Obi-Wan to chump him on the Death Star?

"ha, ha I got there first kid!"

It could also initiate a very interesting discussion on the Tantive with Yoda shaking his head in a resigned way. "Tricked young Anakin has been". A good cue for Qui-Gon perhaps.

I get ahead of myself...

[Ternian]

The key is in the opening quote.

[Dogg Thang]

I was hoping to be able to leave midichlorians in the past - like a supressed memory. Oh well. There goes my crutch of considering them part of crazy Qui-Gon's delusions.

Still, sounds good overall.

Dogg.

[robbie_20002002]

Which is why each apprentice tries to bump off the master.

More power = More insight = More abilities

Of course after Padme's death Vader stays loyal to the emperor, in the hope that he will 'deal him in' on this neat trick (if it even exists) so he can ressurect the one he most loves. Eventually after years of waiting he realises that Palpatine has little intention of telling him, because once he does his hold on Vader is gone. Part of Anakin's mind still clings onto the hope that eventually Sidious will relinquish this knowledge and he can bring Padme back from the dead (and possibly heal his own body?). When Luke appears on the scene Vader realises this is his big chance to knock off Palpatine and take control of the galaxy affording him the power to discover how to use the Midichlorians to ressurect life, rather than waiting on his master. But when Palpatine starts frying Luke on DS2 he is faced with the choice of killing the Emperor and forever losing Padme (also at the cost of his own life) or allowing his son to die and again hoping that someday Palpatine will pass on the secret or he will get another opportunity. So when he kills the emperor in ROTJ not only is he giving up his life and saving his son he is finally letting go of the one he loves most: Padme Amidala. That sure changes how you look at the OT, right?

- Obi-Wan vanishing right in front of him must have really fucked with his mind. You can imagine his disbelief that Obi-Wan has somehow acquired a new power which has allowed him to face death without fear "i will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" You can practically see Vader thinking "WTF is all that about?" when he steps on Obi-Wans cloak. This further re-inforces his doubts in regards to having made the wrong choice..... Who knows what lies Palpatine told Dooku to seduce him to the dark side......

- Exactly why Jedi should not become attached too.....

[robbie_20002002]

It probably is too complex. It just seems logical that the Emperor must have some hold over Anakin that prevents him from leaving after he becomes an Iron Lung and realises he's been had. It's got to be either the power to extend or ressurect life. Then there's the whole possibility of 2 Sith needing each other (like some kind of symbiotic relationship) to prolong their lives. Too many potential theories....

[PTGrievous]

Sounds like Highlander... there can be only one...

Better to burn out than to fade away!

[offspringboy]

LOL I try not to think too deep into the storyline, that way you enjoy the OT and the PT. I can only understand the little snippets of clues and references you get from the PT. Like in AOTC, at his Mums grave, he say's "I failed you, but I promise that I won't fail again".
You have like two references there, one that he becomes the most pwerfullbeing there is, but the biggie is him not letting another loved one die, ie: Luke getting fried by Palps.
Because he does fail again, which causes Padme's death, which throws him off his promise and to the Dark-side, when he saves Luke that returns him to his presence of AOTC Aniken, probably a load of crap you think, but just though I put my view of the movies in

[vanillazinger]

The implication is that a Sith created Anakin. Huh. And I thought Lucas was done with midi-chlorians.

Darth Plaguis must have been Sidious's master, I guess. Pablo told us we'd learn about recent Sith history.

[raptor10001]

from this we now know that midichlorians is just a fancy word for sperm

it's a fact that the jedi don't know what sex is

[offspringboy]

How about this, the midichlorians were forced to create a sith Palps, but then the midichlorians created one to fix their forced mistake, Ani?
Screw Lucas he has made everything so confusing, to a film I thought I undertood and knew, until now.

[kerouac777]

Screw Lucas he has made everything so confusing, to a film I thought I undertood and knew, until now.

I hate movies you can't figure out before you've seen them.. and those ones that make you think.. and the ones that pose questions, but don't answer them..

Fucking asshole filmmakers.

[Jotun]

It does sound as if he's making the film too complicated for the average movie goer.

[Duke]

Most likely from the Novelization.

[Terrormaster]

It's actually a lot simpler than what we're making it...

The Sith were becoming extinct, Plagueis wanted an apprentice that would be loyal and not turn on him, so he gained enough power to manipulate the midichlorians and created Sideous... This act created an imbalance in the force. Sideous learns the truth of his create and how to do it. Like Frankenstien's monster, his creation turns on him and kills him.

After all, why do you think the clones have no midichlorians? It's all about control.

Years later, the force creates Anakin as an antithesis to Sideous in order to restore the balance that shifted when Plagueis created Sideous.

Ok, I've play Ultima 9 WAAAY too much!

-Terrormaster

[Wrath Mania]

It must simply extend life, not create it (how the hell would that help Padme, in Anakin's mind?)

And I don't think Sidious was lying, either. If Plagueis was Sidious's master, and it seems pretty clear he was, then SIdious must be fairly old. Therefore, he probably used this "extension of life" to keep himself around.

He just never teaches it to Anakin.

[Terrormaster]

It must simply extend life, not create it (how the hell would that help Padme, in Anakin's mind?)

He obviously leaves out those details to let Anakin make his own assumptions. And we all know what happens when you assume... It makes a Sith out U and ME ;-)

-Terrormaster

[darthvodka]

Here's my crackpot theory of the day to add to the ever-growing list. When Anakin bangs Padme, a child is the result (Leia). She has some of Anakins abilities but also characteristics of her mother. The Force uses this moment to add Luke, to try to bring balance cos it failed with Vader. In A New Hope Luke only has to be told his dad was a Jedi and a coupla hours later he's defending himself agains laser balls blindfolded. Perhaps Luke is also a Force creation?

I must say that these spoilers are living up to the claim made before (by McCallum?) that after ROTS we will never watch the OT in the same way. Vaders character (to me) is totally different in ESB/ROTJ as he knows he has a son. Perhaps he only expected a daughter. I think the Emporer has long known Vader is not as fully devoted to him as he once was. Earlier someone mentioned that Vader sticks with Palpy to learn how to prolong life/raise the dead and eventually realises Palps lied/or won't share. That would make Vaders service to Palps seem more of a betrayal,Palpy tricking him (seduce) to the dark side. As soon as he sees he has a son he starts to change, remembering what he's lost.

Thats my BL for the day, sorry if it bores you all

[l-0-l]

Which is why each apprentice tries to bump off the master.

More power = More insight = More abilities

Of course after Padme's death Vader stays loyal to the emperor, in the hope that he will 'deal him in' on this neat trick (if it even exists) so he can ressurect the one he most loves. Eventually after years of waiting he realises that Palpatine has little intention of telling him, because once he does his hold on Vader is gone. Part of Anakin's mind still clings onto the hope that eventually Sidious will relinquish this knowledge and he can bring Padme back from the dead (and possibly heal his own body?). When Luke appears on the scene Vader realises this is his big chance to knock off Palpatine and take control of the galaxy affording him the power to discover how to use the Midichlorians to ressurect life, rather than waiting on his master. But when Palpatine starts frying Luke on DS2 he is faced with the choice of killing the Emperor and forever losing Padme (also at the cost of his own life) or allowing his son to die and again hoping that someday Palpatine will pass on the secret or he will get another opportunity. So when he kills the emperor in ROTJ not only is he giving up his life and saving his son he is finally letting go of the one he loves most: Padme Amidala. That sure changes how you look at the OT, right?

- Obi-Wan vanishing right in front of him must have really fucked with his mind. You can imagine his disbelief that Obi-Wan has somehow acquired a new power which has allowed him to face death without fear "i will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" You can practically see Vader thinking "WTF is all that about?" when he steps on Obi-Wans cloak. This further re-inforces his doubts in regards to having made the wrong choice..... Who knows what lies Palpatine told Dooku to seduce him to the dark side......

- Exactly why Jedi should not become attached too.....

Robbie-
I went through all the trouble of re-registering just to tell you I really like the take you have there. it sets up the anikin as tragic, which I believe is what GL told us we would see. It's hard to make you feel sorry for a wife beater.

[robbie_20002002]

Thanks! It might not play out this way, but we'll see. I guess the man who can answer that for us is Tern. I'd really like to hear his opinion on what he thinks the movie will turn out like now he knows the whole story.

[Vanda]

The key is in the opening quote.

Perhaps you'd like to show us the lock.

[Jankarl_Fett]

Another thing that no one seems to mention... I was under the impression that the Palps showing/telling Anaking about the sith was later in the film, maybe just before the Mace-Palps duel.
This theather scene must be early in the film. Does this means that Anakin knows that Palps is a sith that early in the film? Or does Palps gives this "history lesson" to Anakin without letting him know his connection with the sith?

[Wrath Mania]

Most likely the latter. I still don't think Palpatine fully tells Anakin the truth about him being Darth Sidious and explaining his plot until after the Mace and posse duel.

[ikelleigh]

damn... personally, I was really hoping we'd never hear about the midichlorians again, but this sounds like an interesting take on the whole idea of them.

[FittenTrim: The Movie]

So after the duel, Anakin will be dead... not clinging to life but dead.

Palps grabs his dead body and uses his Sith knowledge to "influence the midichlorians to create life"... in the dead body of Anakin.

So far most of the spoilers are nice.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I have visions of this part of the movie being Attack of the Clone like, in forced dialogue and unbelievability.

I could just as well settled for none of this exposition, simply Palpatine manipulating the Jedi to the point were Anakin willingly turns to the darkside out of manipulation and his own weakness over succumbing to power. (which is what basically happens anyway) except it couldn't have been carried over into the plot in depth, instead Lucas inserts this plot device to help push it along.

I don't need to see a "Admiral Ackbar dancing around" in Star Wars with Palpatine enticing Anakin through the story of Darth Plagueis....It sounds so fucking EU.

[Ternian]

The story is needed 100%.

As for the quote:

I love to tell you guys more, but it gives something away.


EDIT: It is never addressed if Anakin was created by the Sith.

[Zion]

I hope this "something" is going to be revealed this week.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Might as well give it away, that's what spoilage is about. Midiclorians aren't enough, now you have to wonder if Anakin is created by a Sith, through midiclorians...

How does that not sound EU?

Aside from the Yoda on a Dragonfly bit, I'm very optimistic about how this movie sounds, but this scene is not IMO something that sounds that great.

I'm not getting into that whole OT vs PT bullshit, it just sounds crappy. If it's all a lie by Palpatine, and it's obvious to us as viewers, that's fine. Personally I'd be too distracted by the dancing Calamari.

[Zidious]

but it gives something away.

At this point, do we have any hope of guessing it?

[ikelleigh]

Why Schmi Skywalker? Just random?

[Antiriad]

I think its fairly obvious what the difference is between Sith and Jedi here.

Sith resurrection or prolonging of life turns you into the undead - neither living or dead but always encased in decaying flesh. Whilst the Jedi one is life AFTER death - but life in a different spritual form.

[ikelleigh]

I think its fairly obvious what the difference is between Sith and Jedi here.

Sith resurrection or prolonging of life turns you into the undead - neither living or dead but always encased in decaying flesh. Whilst the Jedi one is life AFTER death - but life in a different spritual form.

I think there's more to it than that, or you would see a hell of a lot more Jedi ghosts at the end of ROTJ, like the rest of the Jedi Council. Seems maybe only a few know the true answer.

[HST]

I know im mostly a lurker here, ive made one or two threads but thats it, but i have been following these HARD COPY spoilers, and am i the only one here who thinks that if someone has the novelization they should spill it.

Tern thanks for the spoils but you say that telling us more gives something away, and as Fatboy points out this is a spoiler site. Why not just post the whole novelization (or in depth summary) on a thread and title it "COMPLETE NOVELIZATION (or summary or whatever) TONS OF SPOILERS" those who dont want to know everything will stay away, but i think everyone here would be interested in the complete lowdown.

Why the shadow games. Or are you planning on spilling it all on Xmas? Just seems very power and control like bullshit and thats why i dont go to TFN for my info, of course this place is comparable to none as far as sources for spoilers ETC, nowhere beats this place, im just confused as to why if someone has this Novel they dont just spill it all.

Tern if you just have snippets, or are waiting for Xmas i understand and apologize for posting this, in advance, but otherwise am i completely off the mark here?