Darth Vile wrote:But even without reference to the other movies, you can tell that Yoda is using that line as an excuse in TESB... "He's too old. Yes too old to begin the training". He doesn't believe it, and he certainly doesn't live by it otherwise he would not have gone on to train Luke.
I think you're getting hung up on a line of dialogue that was being used to deflect Luke's eagerness... Not a line/belief that Yoda held dear during the events of TESB.
Oh right, then why did LUCAS make it a central part of the whole Jedi Philosophy and training regime in TPM - with all these kids running about. And why did Yoda in TPM say ANAKIN was too old? Was he testing him too?
VT-16 wrote:And Yoda seemed open to the possibility of training Leia when Luke left for Bespin. Like the others said, the whole "Too old" was just to check how eager Luke was to train.
Why do you have trouble with accepting character development in Yoda?Lord Seafood wrote:VT-16 wrote:And Yoda seemed open to the possibility of training Leia when Luke left for Bespin. Like the others said, the whole "Too old" was just to check how eager Luke was to train.
Then why was Anakin too old in TPM?
Lord Seafood wrote:Well that's a lot of assumption and reading into things to come up with that Living Force explanation. Do you think the average audience will even understand what you've tried to explain? This is all assuming that Lucas even has a scene that explains this in ROTS! As it is now, it just looks like very poor writing. I guess we'll see.
VT-16 wrote:Lord Seafood wrote:Well that's a lot of assumption and reading into things to come up with that Living Force explanation. Do you think the average audience will even understand what you've tried to explain? This is all assuming that Lucas even has a scene that explains this in ROTS! As it is now, it just looks like very poor writing. I guess we'll see.
Thanks for not listening to the relevance of the different movies in regards to this spoiler.
The Dark Shape wrote:It's a wrong point of view.
...Qui-gon represented the best of what the Jedi should have been. In TPM, Yoda disagreed with him too much to see the benefits of Qui-gon's beliefs.
DefLeppard wrote:Besides, if you are going to bitch about "contradictory" lines, then here's some more ammunition for you.
Vader: "You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master.
LUKE: I will not turn...and you'll be forced to kill me.
VADER: If that is your destiny.
LUKE: Search your feelings, father. You can't do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.
VADER: It is too late for me, son. The Emperor will show you the true nature of the Force. He is your master now.
LUKE: Then my father is truly dead.
Despite this, Luke still ends up calling out to his "dead" father, and Vader ends up not obeying his master. By your reasoning, this scene makes absolutely no sense to you - unless, of course, one realizes that the characters in these films are capable of saying something and then changing their mind later.
Otherwise, Leia falling in love with Han makes no sense either...
Lord Sluggo wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that Mr. Seafood is not over the age of 13.
You didnt come here to argue? Did you read the posts you put up here?
No disrespect intended.
ObiTrice wrote:uhhhhh so whats your point?
I don´t believe that "summary" is accurate or even real. If it is, then Yoda doesn´t want to train them at all, and Obi-Wan has to persuade him eventually, or it´s fake and Yoda wants to train them, but let them mature first.Lord Seafood wrote:ObiTrice wrote:uhhhhh so whats your point?
"When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them."
doesn't jive with the novelisation summary which says that Yoda insists they not be trained "in any way whatsoever".
Lord Seafood wrote: The average audience isn't hardcore enough to be expected to have to think up all these theories to explain these inconsistencies.
Lord Seafood wrote:Lord Sluggo wrote:Somehow I get the feeling that Mr. Seafood is not over the age of 13.
You didnt come here to argue? Did you read the posts you put up here?
No disrespect intended.
This is what I'm talking about... people like you are obviously trying to bait me into flaming back. i came here to argue a point, not to get personal. Maybe you should take a look at your own behaviour...
And anyway... it looks like everyone's assumptions about Yoda changing his mind are just fan speculation. This comes from the ROTS novelisation summary ending, which you can find in Darth Psychotic's thread...
"Yoda insists that they not be trained as Jedi in any way whatsoever, for obscure Yoda reasons."
They think Anakin is too old because hes the oldest to become a jedi in possibly forever.
But he proved it didnt matter
Lord Seafood wrote:In that new Ternian spoiler report there is this quote from Yoda:
"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will, and watch, and learn."
Huh? Yoda goes on and on in both TPM and in ESB that any kind of training of skills in the Force has to start as YOUNG as possible. He says it in TPM about Anakin and he says it in ESB to Obi-Wan, that Luke is "too old" to be trained in the Force.
But here he is now saying that 'when the time is right' the Force will 'decide' they are ready for training, and that is okay? This just comes off as a total contradiction of what Yoda preaches in the other movies.
Suddenly, he's like "whatever, there's no rush, the Force will tell us when the time is right". So why does he bitch about Luke's age in ESB? This is poor writing if it's an actual quote, because it makes Yoda's character totally contradictory.
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