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very cool. although some must be missing? does she immediatly come up with name 'Luke'?

Ternian's Random Episode III Stuffs:

* This is going to be such an intense part of the movie.
You notice Yoda enters? Guess who he has just had a conversation with...

* It's Qui-Gon...
He is THE Master!
Also, the whole "Luke" thing is addressed in the movie.

* I'll tell ya about the whole Luke/Leia Vader does/doesn't know thing another time - for now, trust me, it makes sense.

* Remove Yoda from the pedestal you had him on, and replace him with QUI-GON!

* The secret is...well...very non-amazing. Its the most simplest thing ever and it is the reason the Sith will never EVER have it - its why we will known that Darth Plaugeis never had it.

As for Luke, the name is NEVER mentioned until this point. Why Padme thinks of a boys name will be discussed earlier in the movie when the pair kiss in their bedroom.

* Leia will never EVER know about Padme or Anakin - the memory wipe scene will show u this to be the case.

Leia's memories of her mother are simply a way to show us that she uses the Force - and the Force is using her (ie. Midis).

* Qui-Gon had a hand in Luke and Leia's conception. The guy knew what he was doing.

* Bail, Yoda and Obi-Wan discuss Qui-Gon's influence over midis in Luke and Leia.

* Basically: Padme goes into labour. Yoda talks to Qui-Gon. Padme dies.

Yoda, Obi-Wan and Bail discuss what will happen from then on in... They discuss the future of L&L, Yoda reveals ANOTHER new surprise to Obi-Wan, Bail takes the droids, and Beru and Owen come into play.

Very busy last 30mins, I say.

* Owen and Beru have no lines.

* Owen knows that Vader=Anakin. You guys have got to remember that Obi-Wan is lying and manipulating Luke in his little homestead in ANH. All the lightsaber crap and Your Uncle-blah-blah crap is simply Obi-Wan subtley getting Luke off that damn planet and into action.

* Yoda has to unlearn what he has learned.

* As I mentioned, the stuff around LOVE is much better than "Love is the answer to the darkness." - Qui-Gon, RotS.

* DROID
All organic damage has been repaired and this systemic failure cannot be explained.

Also, the pic of Obi, Yoda and Bail at the Conference Table on the Tantive IV is the beginning of the discussions concerning Beru and Owen, Alderaan, Tatooine, and Yoda's surprise comment to Obi-Wan.

* Qui-Gon doesn't tell Yoda to go to Dagobah.

* I always assumed that the conference pic was Obi, Yoda and Bail returning to the Senate. I can confirm it is after PADME's death.

* I am under the impression that Obi-Wan gets the lightsaber from GG. However, it could be just another lie he tells to Luke.

* Yoda thought he could defeat the Sith should they appear - this was his arrogance. He did get totally creamed by Sidious.



Ternian Q & A

- Does Yoda choose to stop using the force between Ep3 and 5 (and concentrate on listening to the living force and the living beings surrounding him on Dagobah)?

Ternian: No, he doesn't. He just has a...

- If QuiGon knew everything, why didn't he interfere? Because the jedi's fall was necessary?

Ternian: He was looking for Yub Yub in all the right places. :P

- Yoda being underequipped refers to the jedi's lessened ability to use the force, doesn't it ? Or does it refer to the fact that he needs to tap into the dark side to see the future ?

Ternian: Lessened ability to use the Force.

Yeah, where did the name Luke come from?

At least we know now where the japor snippet comes into it.

Very touching end for Padme.

It is Qui-Gon. Just before Amidala dies, Yoda has a heart to heart and the secret of the Force is revealed to Yoda.

The secret? What is the secret of the force?

Do we see or hear the conversation between Yoda and Qui-Gon?

EDIT: Heh. Bearace you beat me to it.

Padme's death scene is sounding great.

Qui-Gon was always the top jedi for me

There is heaps more spoilers to come guys. One at a time, ay? :p

yeah good idea tern... if you give me too much, im not going to be able to handle it.. and where would MF.com be without me?

Heh. You know you have us excited

Thank you Tern! You're wonderful!

A hundred kisses to you!

EDIT: Tern just said:

*Femme beat me too it *

Femme in tradition of thread.. you gotta make Tern's quote yellow


ive always wanted to hear the secret of force said in words

i dont understand - you are saying that qui-gon was a true master of the force yet he was defeated by maul and imho didnt put up that much of a fight... im so confused.

Bearace, we're on a roll.



Yellow it now is

Nomad, the truth will set u free.

It will ALL make sense.

Qui-Gon has become more powerful than Darth Maul could possibly imagine.

Qui-Gon's been my favorite Jedi since he came on the scene. How awesome that he's coming back.

if you tell us that qui-gon pulled an obi-wan im going to hunt you down and shoot you.

Qui-Gon is dead at the end of TPM. He doesn't achieve what Yoda or Obi-Wan do in the OT...he is on another level.

you are saying a level above yoda and obi-wan - correct ?

So Anakin and Padme planned to call their daughter Leia if it was a girl? And if it was a boy... well it was and she called him Luke. Safe to assume that was also discussed. So he planned to call his kids Luke and Leia. Years later his son turns up with someone called Leia and two droids that just happen to look like two droids he used to hang with. Yeah, you can use the 'would you remember a vcr?' argument if you like but the answer would be a huge 'yes' if that vcr happened to be in the hands of the person who popped out of my wife (who last had the vcr) and also happened to be with another vcr who hung around with the first vcr and my wife.

Poor ol' Vader isn't quick on the uptake is he?

Dogg.

More from Ternian:



EDIT: Even more:

They never EVER discuss the name Luke. Luke is first heard when he is born.

that sounds rotton when you first read it

nekrophelia anyone?

sounds cool, i hope this whole qui-gon mystery is leaked very soon, im really curious what he has to do with the conception and what level he is..

he communicates but he isnt in physical form.. would you call that a level above or below? then again if he had a hand in the conception he must be level abve?

Wow, Tern seems pretty solid that everything is going to come out of this making sense. Are we going to see an end of the 'how come in the PT...but in the OT...' discussions? I'm certainly encouraged by the idea that this might all fall into place in Ep3.

Dogg.

Beat You To It Kraven



Yoda goes to Dagobah to



and with those 2 spoilers.. Motee leaves us

beat you too it both times Kraven.. like Femme said, Im On a Role :bankheadbounce2:

haha j/k

I, in the meantime, have translate all the phrases and make one news for my website, here

Yes, yes they are

Liea is mentioned when Anakin and Padme discuss his dream whatever
and Luke at birth

I think that so many other things are given away that they should always be viewed in production order by SW virgins. That's no bad thing and they work (so far) really well that way.

Dogg.

If I remember correctly,QGJ didnt die until after Obi Wan had killed Maul,perhaps he had time to give himself to the force or something. I'm beginning to think that the force 'voice' or 'force ghost' is the force trying to balance the power of the dark side at moments where Anakin is turning or when he has turned.

imo the movies should still be watched as 4-5-6-1-2-3

EDIT: yeah what dogg thang said... missed his post.

That would break the excitement

Dramatic irony.

I imagine the Force secret is what Lucas was talking about in this quote:

The other one that gets asked a lot is why doesn't Qui-Gon disappear like everybody else? That's a plot point that centers around Obi-Wan saying to Vader/Anakin in the first one, "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." There is an issue about the Force and that will be revealed ... There's a lot of things that will be explained more. Some of it is important plot stuff - the Qui-Gon one is, 3PO isn't.

back to original topic please.. dont want to turn thread around

I say it should go from 1-6, revelations manufactured to get a cheap shock-effect out of the audience are getting a bit tired by now. And it seems ROTS will have plenty of "shocks" at it is. Besides, what are you guys going to do to prevent people from seeing it differently? Hold protests outside videoshops?

As for the spoilers, I´m getting this weird "Luke is Qui-Gon reincarnated" vibe. Don´t know why.


Truth.

But as long as it´s fun and decent, I don´t mind.

Star Wars - Episode III: Franchise Redemption
or How I learned to Stop Being So Critical and Remember Why I Loved It in the First Place

I hope you're right Matt! Just out of curiosity - Tern called her Amidala Skywalker in this report. Am I the only one who is still slightly confused about that character's name?

I love the idea of Yoda going to Dagobah to unlearn what he has learned. It makes far more sense to me than simply hiding from the Emperor - going somewhere where he had to live such a simple life, almost no possesions, simply meditation and reflection. Connecting with the Force around him. It leads perfectly to who we met in ESB and makes me feel a lot better about not liking him as a character in TPM.

Dogg.

I don't get how Leia remembers Padme but not Luke in ROTJ. If Leia only "remembers" her because of her strength in the force, surely Luke would as well?

This breaking news just in... leaked dialog from Qui-Gon Jinn

"Faster Anakin, faster. NO WAIT... slow down. Think about baseball. NO ANAKIN DON'T... damn it. What a mess."

Qui-Gon Jinn - Intergalatic/Spirtual Pimp

*Maybe Liam Neeson took the Kinsey role as research for Episode III

Corellian, it is possible that Luke had a much stronger connection to his father than his mother. Possibly that makes him more dangerous than Leia. Just a theory...

Dogg.

I share your concerns TM, I was reading the interview with the dialogue coach (on HS) brought in for ep3 which should mean at least an improvement over the prevous two films.

I never heard anything about Anakin sensing Leia in ROTS.

Also, Anakin/Vader thinks his unborn daughter died along with Padme, so he has no reason to believe Leia Organa is his daughter.

The secret? What is the secret of the force?

Love, Harry.

Love.

If that's true, then it backs up my belief that Anakin was created by the Sith. He was willed into being by either Darth Plagueis, or Palpatine. He was discovered by Qui-Gon.

OBI-WAN
Not even master Yoda has a midi-chlorian count that high.

QUI-GON
No Jedi has.

OBI-WAN
What does that mean?

QUI-GON
I don't know.

(Sith music begins to play)

But did Qui-Gon know more about Anakin than he let on? Did he know that Anakin was a person who was willed into being, conceived by the midichlorians, who were being influenced by a powerful Force user? And so, does he try to repeat the trick, only he gains TWO children in the bargain, not one?

***********

p.s. I think newbies should watch the saga in this order:

4 - A New Hope (Still the perfect introduction to the Star Wars universe)

5 - The Empire Strikes Back (Ben lied? Vader is Luke's father? What is going on?)

1 - The Phantom Menace (Like "The Magician's Nephew", or the tales told in "Watership Down" or "The Lord of the Rings", we now flash back to events prior to the beginning of the story. We see Anakin as a young boy, and his journey to the stars)

2 - Attack of the Clones (Anakin falls in love, just as he is tempted by the Dark Side and overwhelmed by his dumbass teenager emotions)

3 - Revenge of the Sith (We see the fall of Anakin, we learn who "the other" is, we see how the Emperor can twist you in emotional knots, we see the destruction of the Jedi)

6 - Return of the Jedi (We flash forward to the present. With the raw emotions of "ROTS" in our head, we watch the struggle of Luke and Vader and the Emperor, with pit stops on Dagobah and Endor along the way. The climax on the Death Star II takes on incredible weight, as Luke is tempted to join the Dark Side to save friends and family member, just as Anakin was many years prior -- the setting eerily familiar to the Anakin/Dooku duel at the beginning of ROTS...then we see the atonement of the Chosen One, who becomes a Jedi again by accepting his own death, sacrificing himself and laying down his own life and losing everything for the greater good, just as his son did, just as Obi-Wan did. Anakin Skywalker returns.)

4,5,1,2,3,6.
Learn it, love it, watch it.

This sounds like it could be on the right track....

No, BOTH twins were influenced. She was going to have one, but she had two. Just as Anakin was created by the will of a powerful Force User, so ar the twins. It is incorrect for us to assume only one child was created and not the other. Both are the product of the Force.

The average viewer's head is gonna explode trying to absorb all this information.

It sounds like Qui-Gon will have a bigger role in this movie than anyone could have imagined...

I think The Phantom Menace is going to be re-approached by many after Revenge of the Sith, and many SW fans are going to alter their opinions of it dramatically. I think George Lucas is about to to emerge from the last six years of opinionated abuse as something of a hero to the SW community. The "redemption" of George Lucas.

God bless you, George. You're just a man, as are your fans. Turns out you were probably more of a man than your scores of detractors. You knew what you were doing. Hats off to you.

This all sounds really cool, but complicated. I love that Qui-Gon has more airtime.

I'm anxiously awaiting Tern to tell how much Vader does/doesn't know about the twins either together or seperate. Also, how does Qui-Gon manipulate Anakin and Padme concieving? Sounds kinky.

Just please don't change the Chosen One thing mid-saga, we've just about got all of the goobers who start that thread quieted down.

Tern, I'm confused though - "If it's a girl... we were going to name her Leia..." says Padme as the birth of her daughter begins.

A medical droid approaches Padme. "It's a boy," it says. Padme reaches out and touches the infants head.

"Luke," she says. A second baby is baby is brought to her by the droid.

"It's a girl," says the droid. But Padme is no longer her self - she is delirious.

Did she just think it was the birth of her daughter and it was the birth of Luke or was it the birth of Leia, and Luke had already been born??? *Head explodes*

I think there is going to be alot of people who re-evaluate their opinions of BOTH TPM AND AOTC after they see this one.

Wow!!!