Kyle, I wasn’t trying to have a heart attack, I was just voicing my disgust with Disney here. Then the conspiracy theorists came out in full force against me and Ki Adi Moonshine.

Also, my birthday was last week.

Meh, at the end of the day it doesn't matter who owns the rights to Star Wars or Lucasfilm.
Love it or hate.
Without GL's involvement it will never be anything more than big budget fan fiction.

what this all highlights to me is how insanely STUPID Disney was in handling this project. It's obvious by the "story" we ended up with that there was no overall plan for these three movies. They arrogantly thought they could shovel shit in a bag and the world would pick it up and ask for seconds.

TFA was a soft reboot of ANH.
TLJ was just given to some dude to write AND direct, and the secret asshole proceeded to wipe his ass on screen with the characters
TRoS was them scrambling to undo TLJ and put this thing to bed

most of the actors were capable, some even fantastic. The affects were great, but not groundbreaking. This thing lived and died with the writing. It could have been glorious.

Imagine if they actually had a 3 movie outline. Maybe even filmed this whole thing at the same time like LOTR's trilogy... instead we got

it really is a shame

Now to an actual post, I'm separating these two.

I'm surprised at how closely these match up, honestly. Especially the bit on how they would match with some plot points from Lucas' ST ideas. Which from what I hear story-wise matches up with what I have but you can see the way they cut a lot of those elements, kept some of these elements, or re-worked the elements into the film. There's even more tl;dr with my stuff than what darthpsychotic posted, but yeah.

Also, I'm surprised that the behind the scenes stuff is coming out now. Again, posted this months ago with the friction between JJ and the story group, and even KK, JJ had complete creative control (this is what I was told, and he was until Disney took over). THis is why Kiri Hart was buh bye and now works at Rian Johnson's production company (another employee who left LFL too, forget who.) re: story group. Matt Martin confirmed the story group did not work on Episode IX at all.

The Art of TROS was delayed, maybe because they don't want to give an inkling of what may have been, as it shows just how much the film cut out. I'm still interested but I doubt we see much of this stuff. Just IMO. Then there's also the bit of just how deep Lucas collaborated on this film.

But then this guy also has info I don't it seems.
I'd say BS, but it matches.

And for this person to go out and say the Son was going to be the villain originally is something that seems to be so out of left field.
My friend sent this to me and I was like...are you fucking serious?
I was shocked. (don't use reddit anymore)

Also, I know a lot of these fools in TFM and they not ONCE reported on my leaks. like. at all. So trying to say that my leaks and leaks similar to mine are being put out there just to sew discontent and throw shade at Disney Star Wars is such unfounded BS. And even as it comes out now they aren't even posting about how it was leaked months ago, which it was. And they're all aware of it too. They're only outraging now because it makes them money.

When I first made this thread I did include "allegations" in the title. Thanks admins for your neat edits to the text body. Appreciated.

I will state that it's very possible that the poster saw the original plot report posted here and used part of it to add credibility for what could be just nonsense. I do agree that The Son would not work very well with mainstream audiences and in all seriousness, it's possible that film we got is held together better by butchering or reimagining the familiar rather than introducing the new.

Like I said in my review in another thread, as it is, TROS already should have been two films, but I think to attempt something on this scale would have been even worse as a single entry regardless of if this is true or not.

I wish we had of just gotten Lucas' vision tbh. Let him to the sequels while Disney focused on other SW projects like Rogue One or The Old Republic, etc.

Also, Ki Adi, do you find this report gives you some relief or helps validate your earlier claims?
Considering how out there they were when compared with the actual film, it's impressive.

I'll note, I do believe Jedi Paxis dismissed a lot of the original report, so it's interesting to see this development.

Kyle, I want to be clear here.. Part of the TFM is from here since they’re the ones who started bashing the prequels over a decade ago.

Kyle, Correct. My belief is that TFM started with the PT. A lot of websites - including this one ridiculed George so much he literally left the internet as a whole. He doesn't have email or any other Social Media contact.

Imagine if no one bashed the Prequels so much and accepted it for being different instead of a rehash of OT? We would have gotten a VERY DIFFERENT version of the Sequel Trilogy - one that we would have gotten sooner like - possibly few years after the release of ROTS instead of a full decade after ROTS. You know why? Because ol' Georgie would have been in a different mood - more happy and willing to support his fandom.

But alas, we got this mess we're in now and I can trace the beginning of TFM directly to this site and several others including theforce.net (When TF.N actually had good guys running it like Chitwood and etc.)

So, you understand why I would blame some of the senior members on here as well other websites.

I would be up for a new trilogy starting a living Luke Skywalker. Too bad about the Mortis stuff. Why were we led to believe that about that kind of stuff? I don’t get it.
But in any case, I think it’s safe to say that Disney has botched TROS and ST as a whole, don’t you agree Ki Adi?

The power some fans give Pablo Hidalgo is hilarious. He writes visual dictionaries really well and is a fan. How he became the fourth member of the sinister corporate cabal hellbent on reviving and ruining Star Wars is insane. There are probably 30 people more important than he is who are actually making decisions.

ki, I’ve been literally saying this that the original TFM from the prequel era is what ruined Star Wars.
And with GL gone, there may be no way to fix this.

The only way to fix this is if Lucas decided to file a legal suit against Disney more specifically Bob Iger because after witnessing this shitstorm upfront with JJ Abrams, he can say Disney breached the contract with political motivations in mind. 2020 is going to be an interesting year because Disney will have a lot of shit to deal with and a big backlash from the SW community both outside and LFL and in the Lucas Camp.

Disney is fucked here. All we can do is prepare for the inevitable Lucas-Disney war.
And boy, it’s going to be UGLY.

Like I said, I’m going to hug my blu-ray box set of I-VI really tight because that’s the real saga and it ended with ROTJ.

As much as I like reading the many wishes for a Disney film series focused on Luke, there'd be no point in it. All it'll do is serve to scratch open the 6" thick scab from the Last Jedi and its impact on Rise of Skywalker, and there's no way that Disney would be that dumb to do that. Bringing Luke back to the screen can ONLY rip open that wound, no matter how great the films may be.

There's one beyond-belief-hardcore fix to all of this: issue a huge apology, decanonize anything dealing with the Disney Trilogy, and start allover again. Leia would never make an appearance, and Han would return provided that the paycheck was fat enough to allow Harrison to roll some major blunts. Disney, in all of its drunk-on-itself arrogance, would never do this. Because: pathological narcissism. Oh, and the political ramifications would be enormous. Need I say whom would have the biggest issue with this? The caterwauling would be endless, and that too would play a crushing role in preventing this from happening.

The far more likely route would be a Disney+ series. There's something about a show being on a *TV* that makes it feel very differently from being on a large theater screen, and it would act as a buffer from throwing aspersions and drumming up hatred of the Disney Trilogy allover again. If they went the TV route, the scripting and pacing would have to be FLAWLESS (too many people have a profound love for Luke, so mistakes would not be tolerated due to how they severely warped and twisted Luke in the films). Doing this with love and reverence for Luke's true legacy would also GUARANTEE huge subscription increases for Disney+. In terms of pure greed, they'd be idiots NOT to pursue this.

I don't see this series happening, at all, with Kathleen Kennedy or Pablo Hidalgo being onboard (it's safe to say that Abrams/Johnson would have ZERO input on this matter). They HATE Luke as a character and everything that he stands for, and the proof is abundant in the films. Some say that Kennedy is now just a paid front of a figurehead, that her powers have been largely stripped away, and that the reason that they can't rightfully fire her are entirely political. Openly firing her, as she did to half of her directors over the years, is UNTHINKABLE. Because... Well, you figure it out. The irony is rich, and I llllllllooooooove it!

Ya'll realize that the OT also wasn't planned out ahead of time, right? I thought ROTJ was disjointed and felt like 2 or 3 movies in one when I saw it for the first time.

Then I got over it.

This new trilogy is certainly no OT. But then again there is no way in hell it could have been. It could have been the long lost missing scenes from The Magnificent Ambersons, and we'd still pick it apart and scrutinize how it all came together, or came apart.

Guess you can’t read what Lucas scribbled about Darth Vader on the bottom of the first page. That’s okay - a lot of people these days can’t read for shit and to think we Americans wasted billions of dollars showing people how to read in 1st grade yet we find out that most Americans as adults can’t read and we end up with Trump because of that.

Good to know you can’t read Lucas’ handwriting. You must be real proud of being illiterate.

Bander, I actually have that book. It’s been in my possession since 1997.

You say Lucas never planned shit out, but if you read the early stuff from the 70s and early 80s read all the interviews from 77 to 83, what he said then is very different from what he claims now.

You’d be surprised how much people tried to get him to change the directions of his films. I mean, even Gary Kurtz wanted several Death Stars in ROTJ and Luke as a lone “gunslinger.”

The old man has been known to change his stories several times. You want the truth? Go read his early stuff.

Just watched TFA with my 9yr old boy last night. He loves it. It was building something. The redo of 4 was forgiven due to the introduction of a few more things... then something went wrong.