Does anyone know what planet Plo Koon is on? Is that Muunilist?

I think that in his dream and vision, he saw her dying because of what he did (turning to the dark side, breaking her heart, choking her, etc.), not because of the childbirth. I think the childbirth itself would have been routine and normal if it had not been for those additional factors, in my opinion. He can see things before they happen but he doesn't know why he's sees what he does or what has happened that leads up to what he saw. He doesn't know he had a part in the suffering that he foresaw and Yoda's advice might have actually saved her if Anakin had listened to it.

I'm pretty sure that was Cato Nemoidia, the bridge world.

I think it's nearly pointless to debate as to whether the dreams as they were would come true. I think the dreams would be different if it were not [Star Wars Major Theme] his destiny to become Darth Vader. It would seem that in Star Wars, all the dreams or visions given by the Force come true, regardless of who they're given to, or what that person tries to do about them.

Was anyone else bummed that Obi-Wan does not fight those three MagnaGuards as shown in the Making Ep3 featurette, 'This Weapon is Your Life' (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/me3/5.html) and the "Back in Black" promo, but instead, drops what looks like an air conditioning unit on their heads before a truncated lightsaber duel with Grevious?

I was really looking forward to that ever since I saw it. Chop, chop, chop huh Lucas? I guess he thought fans would object to a kick ass 3-on-one lightsaber fight culminating with a showdown with Grevious. The early close quarter fight with the MagnaGaurds on the bridge of Grevious' ship was short but great and I really wanted to see what they could do in an all out duel with plenty of room to move.

This is an interesting concept that is really explored in ESB; and one of the reasons I didn't like seeing Anakin's dreams in RotS.

Anakin forsees many things in his dreams but at the end of the day will they come true? According to Anakin they will because of the dreams of his mother that turned into reality.

However, in ESB, on Dagobah, Luke forsees himself taking Vader's place as a Sith Lord. But did it happen? No.

Therefore, one could assume that Padme may never have died if Anakin never turned.

I think that's far from being "really explored" and it's not a vision in the way Anakin's are either. It's just a warning he could be on a dark path...that he has ties to Vader. It's a test and he fails. It has nothing to do with Luke having premonitions.

Anakin's visions are important because they relate to Luke's REAL vision in ESB. His visions of Leia and Han suffering. So what does he do? He tries to stop them from happening. So people will see Ep 1 and see Anakin has hopeful visions. In Ep 2 He is worried about them, and in Ep 3 he is terrified of them. So when Luke starts having them in Ep 5 people will think "Oh no, he's going to do the same thing!" (speaking of future generations here). The vader scene in the cave has absolutely nothing to do with all of that.

Its a premenition - just like Anakin has. Luke was under the helmet -its what he could have become and what Yoda fears the most...and it is clear that the Emperor wanted Luke at his side instead of Vader.

Luke COULD have gone to the darkside in RotJ if he believed in the tree scenario.

The whole "trial in the cave" thing wasn't supposed to be a premonition, I might opin. Rather, it seemed to be a reflection of the soul. That was one of the trials a Jedi would face; introspection.

It's not something that just appears to Luke before him without his control. It was a TEST. This is stated plainly by Yoda more than once. It's not anything at all like Luke's or Anakin's actual visions.

You think Luke didn't go to the darkside because he didn't believe in the tree scene? So the scenario where he does go to the dark side would have been like "Hmm...the cave test said I would definitely be a sith so I have no choice....yeararghghg! (as he kills vader)." You can't possibly believe that. You seem like kinda guy that thinks the political discussions in the PT are it's strongest points. Am I right?

Think about what he does for the galaxy in Ep 6. His dream in Ep 1 has a much bigger meaning.

Hands up if you think a dream sequence will be added to ESB when Luke loses his concentration during training.

I don't think the bomb thing was actually true, it was just something to scare the slaves so they wouldn't leave.

Go and re-read what I wrote...




If you want a discussion on the political aspects of the PT and my opinion, try the other forum.

The dialogue during the final battle could have been touched up a bit. Right before they clash Hayden's delivery goes from spot on to way off. During the battle when Obi-Wan says 'Palpatine is evil' Anakin says 'from my point of view the Jedi are evil.' That doesn't gel at all with how Anakin talks about the Jedi all movie long. Sure, he can be disappointed with them. But evil? What I think he should have said is something like 'Palpatine will help me become more powerful than you ever could'. Like he rejects the concept of 'evil' he's been taught by the Jedi purely for selfish reasons. All he wants is more power, 'ultimate power'. In ROTS he sometimes comes off a bit like evil for evil's sake while the next moment he's crying because of the path he's gone down. Killing the younglings was probably over the top so soon after his 'turn'. Maybe not stopping the Clonetroopers from killing the children would have made sense but going in there himself just didn't feel right. Padmé's 'there is still good in him' sounded ridicilous after that. He should have gone straight to Mustafar to deal with the separatists.

I thought the 'I have the hight ground' bit could have been cooler if Obi-Wan had cut off Anakin's arm on the platform already. Now he just takes off arm and legs in one swipe and frankly I didn't see how Anakin could not have jumped over him in one piece since the Jedi jumped a lot higher in TPM and AOTC. In TPM Maul had the high ground and Obi-Wan still managed to kill him. There was no telling what Anakin had in mind when he was staring down Obi-Wan on that platform. Frankly, I couldn't make out anything after he jumped. It was just a blur. If Obi-Wan had already sliced off an arm and then told an Anakin writhing in pain that he had the advantage, it would have been more understandable and more dramatic, I think. Here we had Anakin one moment fired up and the next moment he's legless and catching fire.

There should have been more Jedi in the opening battle. I thought there was too much focus on the buzz droids, the final battle at the end of ROTJ seemed to have a wider scope. Like on Kashyyk I didn't really care for the clones or the separatists. Pity, because in the opening crawl it says there are heroes on both sides.

The highlights for me were the dramatic moments between Anakin and Padmé, Anakin and Obi-Wan and Anakin and Palpatine. The lightsaber stuff was not so interesting, in my opinion.

Ok ive seen it twice now and had a couple of days to digest. Here are a few of my thoughts...

Overall i was absolutely gobsmacked out how much this movie delivered, and it delivered in a big way.

So what was so great about it:

- Opening battle was really exciting how they followed the two ships into battle. Great music too.

- The scheming and manipulation of Palpatine was done extremely well i thought. The way he used Anakin's (self-fulfilling) nightmares about Padme as fuel for Anakin's turn was well thought out and delivered even better by Ian McDiarmid.

- Order 66... ok let me say i did not think it was possible for a SW movie to cause tears, but i tell you what i was extremely close when they showed the clones turn on the jedi. I know its only been a couple of days but this is probably the saddest moment in the entire saga. Beautifully done.

- The duels and the emotion between obiwan and anakin was spot on. This was THE scene all us fans were waiting for ever since news of the prequels became apparent. It was put up so high on a pedastal years before Lucas even thought about making it happen, and i have to say it didnt disappoint.

OK, but what did i see as the minor nitpicky problems, and trust me these are pretty minor:

- Palpatine's Gollum impersonation as he was attempting to fry Mace. I dont think it was necessary.

- The march on the Jedi temple. My friend noted correctly... was there ever a more perfect spot to put the Imperial March??? Enough said!

- The manner of Padme's death. I think it would have been a lot more powerful and made Vader's "nooooo" a lot more profound if she had actually died as a result of her injuries, not because "she lost the will to live".

- No Qui-Gon... this was perhaps the most disappointing aspect for me. I think they could have done with a 1-2 min conversation (no force ghost) between Yoda and Obi-wan. I mean, we have already heard his voice in AOTC, would it have hurt the movie to include it?


Now dont get me wrong, these are very minor issues. I thoroughly enjoyed this film and thought it was easily the best of the prequels and after a few months i might even rate it higher than some of the OT. On pure emotional content, this was no. 1 of the saga. A great movie which i will definitely see at least another 2 times in the cinema and cant wait for the DVD release with hopefully some of the cut scenes put back in.

Overall I think it was a good movie. Hadn't had a chance to go to the theatre yet but I will eventually.

Is it just me or did anyone else think the obi vs anakin duel was kinda...meh. Don't get me wrong it was good, but it seemed like a large portion of it was shown on trailers\ads\promotions\tv spots etcetera.

Same thing with the Grevious\Obi and Mace\Sidious. My particular beef with the Mace\Sidious is that it was described beautifully in the novelization. Maybe because Sam and Ian don't have the physical capabilities. Don't get me wrong the lightsaber battles were good, but left me wanting more, and the camera and\or angle was so close or ajar that sometimes it took me out of the action.

Grevious rippin' up the floor kicked ass, but I wish it was drawn out more. For someone who fought 5 or 6 Jedi at the same time in the Clone Wars short, Obi-wan kicked his ass WAY too easily, maybe that just cemented Obi's badassness.

And I thought the Obi\Anakin duel was supposed to be 10-12 minutes. Combined with the Palpatine\Yoda (which kicked fuckin' ass and was the best in my opinion, but again, I feel like they gave too much footage in other media) it was about 10 minutes. Good overall but still left me wanting more.

The lava exchange with Anakin burning and Obi-Wan was brilliant. So was the Jedi purge, announcement of the Empire, and Yoda's little talk about how they must destroy the sith was spot on. I really didn't see a problem with the "nooo" by Vader although the juxtaposition with screaming-Vader and Padme was a good move, and the helmet lowering and the first breath=orgasm.

I thought the scene where Anakin choked Padme was a bit weak, in the comic he threw her. Also the preliminary exchange between Obi-wan and Anakin was good in some parts and awkward in others.

Maybe it's because of all the spoilers or extra footage but I feel like I have an emptiness in my stomach. Maybe an extra viewing will alieve my hunger. That being said I've seen all th Star Wars and my life is complete, I can now die peacefully.

I disagree, Im a huge fan of the star wars music, but i would have a few problems with the imperial march here.

the music thats there i think works EXTREMELY well, and to be honest, thinking of that tired old played out sont there instead almost makes me sick. im glad its not in there, had I seen it with no music, ok, but after seeing the movie as it is, I dont think the march would work well there (for me).

Hope i'm not the only one that saw this:

I always thought that was kind of a foreseeing of Qui-Gon coming to save him.



See, I was talking to my friends about this. They, as well as myself, found the "lost the will to live" thing pretty stupid, but I really thought about it and explained to them how it almost mirrors RotJ and how Vader pretty much does the same thing. (Yeah, yeah. He got a hand cut off and he got electrocuted but) He, like Padme, waits to see his child (or children) before he realizes there's really nothing left to live for.

But thats a bit weird isn't it? One would think that the children was a MAJOR reason for Padmé to live on. She a woman right? Women don't die of sorrow just 'cause their MANIAC husband has turned evil. Women becomes heartbroken when they lose their children. Children are gentics. Children are intinct and women will protect them (unless the mother also is a maniac, and Padmé clearly isn't). So thats kinda off.

I really can't put my finger on the reason why,but the lightsaber fights really didn't do it for me(with the exception of yoda/sidious)My fave bits were Vaders first breaths after the helmet went on.And also i was expecting some kind of dramatic music on the infamous Vader on the op table raising up through the smoke.But the funeral score playing was VERY effective and gave the scene far more weight.

Only two beefs from me. One, the Dooku fight should have been a little longer, and second, the Anikin/Obi-wan duel should have also been longer. I've been thinking about why George may have edited those out, maybe trying to keep the pacing up. Also, having a little less lightsaber action (not the full 10 minutes) at the end seemed to heighten the dramatic and emotional aspects of the film.

I also think that was handled poorly. Lucas just needed to get rid of Padmé and he obviously couldn't think of anything so he just let her die with no explanation. Physically she was ok and a girl like that doesn't just die from a broken heart when she has just given birth to two beautiful children and as far as she knows her husband is still alive with 'good in him'.

She's also probably pissed at herself because on the landing platform, Anakin really made it seem that the reason he killed everyone and did all that bad shit was because of her.

yeah she probally blames it on herself.

they’re both rookies at the force.

leia sensed her, luke didn’t.
luke knew/learned leia was his sister, she was slow on the uptake.
they both were clueless when it came to vader.
being force sensitive or jedi does not = all knowing.

Your telling me you watched the movie for the first time...on your pc?

huh. thats pretty sad and lame...

So how'd you like the blurred bar at the top of the video? How'd you like the amesome 15 inch viewing area? How'd you like that pumping audio out of your two computer speakers?

I'm sure it was a great viewing experience, being the last Star Wars movie and all.

Well said.

I already booked me another 2 tickets for the local cinema, i NEED to see that movie again. It really made my best wishes come true...and more.

I really liked how a few lines/situations were recyled for the ROTS as well as the other prequels. I just watched Return of the Jedi today. While watching Luke getting the force lightning from the Emporer with Vader standing there watching as Luke cried for help, I could not help but think of Palpatine begging for his help while he was getting shocked in his duel with Mace. Only then he made the right choice. I did not even think of that while seeing ROTS.
When Anakin tells Padme basically the same thing he tells Luke" "I can over throw the Emporer and together we'll rule the Galaxy".
I had to point these out to my wife .
Aside from the obvious lines, little things like that were pretty cool.

What about the Tantive IV? I was really surprised to see that little hanger....that was pretty cool. But what about the bridge...is it just me, or is the Tantive IV bridge smaller than the Millenium Falcan's?!?!?! I understand it's no Star Destroyer...but you would think it would be a little bigger for a ship that size.

'Yeah, there was nothing good about the movie....well, the Anakin and Obi-Wan duel was pretty good...and I guess Yoda was pretty cool and looked pretty realistic...and, uh, I guess Palpatine's pwning of Windu was OK. Alright, alright, the movie's made 158 million so far. Lucas, you suck!'

um, no. dooku completely takes out obi wan and then gets beaten by the chosen one. as for your opinion that it didnt match up to the aotc one, i have no idea what your talking about. this one was much faster paced and exciting in my opinion.

I'd just like to point out that the poll on the main page . . . . no one is participating because only admins are allowed to reply to the post.

So . . . you may wanna re-do that.

V-Empire Strikes Back
III- Revenge of the Sith
IV- A New Hope
II- Attack of the Clones
VI- Return of the Jedi
I- The Phantom Menace

I loved ROTS but you just can't beat the surprise of Darth Vader as Luke's father. Also, the dialogue between Solo and Leia just worked much better than the dialouge between Ani and Padme.

While not perfect, ROTS was pretty good. A few things could have been done a lot better (Padme's death, the Jedi purge).

It was definitely the best of the prequels. In fact it makes TPM and AOTC even worse than before.

"4-5 shots"? yeah maybe from each Clonetrooper.
The plan was designed to catch them totally off guard.
And let's not forget that they were basically killed by a bunch of Jango Fetts, not battle droids.

I have seen it twice in theaters and I still love it .
I am gona go back later this week .
Nice to see its doing well too.

I definately agree that it was the best of the prequels. I've heard that a lot that it makes TPM and AOTC look worse, but I think that it makes them much better. Just knowing what is going to happen to all of the characters in TPM and AOTC later on makes it a more enjoyable experience.

I just feel disappointed that TPM and AOTC suck so bad in comparison. If George was capable of making such a good movie, why did he wait until Episode 3?

At least a lot of things make a lot more sense or feel more emotional. Fo example, when Aanakin gives Padme the japor snippet. Or when in AOTC Anakin is saying he wants to stop people from dying. When I first saw it I was wondering if it's going to play out in Episode III. Things like that get a whole new meaning.

This isn't exactly directly related to this topic, but it's a curious article nonetheless:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comm ... yid=197859

well theres no doubt that Sith is the best of the prequels.

I still think Lucas still missed a huge chance to make movie history. Sith a lot better and in some ways i 'd wish it was the first one.

The first 25 mins are very disappointing in my book.

-The focus on stupid buzz driods. They couldve just helped the clones then land the fighters themselfs...

-Over the top cgi R2 humor. And those battle droids..their movement was so lame. Add the roger rabbit voice "Those are Jedi fighters alright"=suck

-Laughable dialog like "did you push the button? no did you?"

-The butchered Dooku fight. Just as in AOTC. You can tell that there are parts missing...

-Music editing just sucked during that whole 'rescue' operation. At times i thought im watching a unfinished version of Sith. Really a shame..

Thank god that once the ship landed, the movie got better...

And i still stand by it. The final space battle in ROTJ is still better. And there was no cgi. That says a lot...

I've seen ROTS a few times now and I'd like to add my comments:

Best Star Wars episode since Empire, easily.

The acting was far better all the way around, particularly from Ewan and Ian who seem to have finally freed themselves from greenscreen pergatory.

Hayden and Ewan displayed a much improved rapport with this installment. There really seemed to be a believable friendship-teacher/student thing between them.

The dialogue was much improved over the last two with only one or two speeches that sounded difficult for the actors to say.

Thankfully, 3po had no quips. R2 was the comic relief this time out and I didn't mind his squeels. The bit where he tries to hide from the super battle droids was actually funny.

The fx were fantastic, duels incredible, action sequences top notch, and character development great.

I think ROTS did an excellent job of leading into the classic trilogy. Whether Leia knew what the heck she was talking about about her mother or not makes little difference to me. Heck, I've had "false" memories from childhood. Its nothing to get hung up on.

I paid my hard earned bucks and I feel like I got exactly what I paid for: a rip roaring good adventure, lots of eye candy, cool music, and a slam bang (supposedly) ending to the greatest space fantasy of all time.

I guess I'll start counting down now to the dvd release. I hear it may be out mid oct-november.

Lastly, I just wanted to mention how much I enjoy reading everyone's posts. I always find stuff here I've never considered before.

Why is there a Shaak Ti action figure for Episode 3?

I think she was supposed to have been in RotS, but didn't make the cut.

I agree with Demodex on this. It felt to me as if Lucas relearned how to make good movies through the process of the prequels. Ep3 being so enjoyable made me wish he had spent ten years making other movies before starting the prequel trilogy.

In the original script, Shaak Ti was killed by Grievous on the cruiser.. then that was changed to Shaak Ti being killed by Anakin in the temple (you can see the picture from the scene in the Making of Book). Then that was removed.

One might assume she'll be in the TV series but who knows.

Please, don't go on. Ever. I'm not sure my unevolved brain can take any more of your insightful, witty reparteé.