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Thanks ThunderCracker.

That article from the Homing Beacon is quite interesting. The reshoots were mentionned in the "Making Of" book, where Mc Diarmid was reported to say that it was much easier for Hayden to come later in the fight.


Pablo seems to imply that Sidious clearly threw the fight in the original version, but that if he did in the finished version then he relied a lot on Anakin's timing ... That's most interesting. Since most of us will accept the fact that Sidious can sense Anakin's presence and feelings from a distance, I'd say he throws the fight just as Anakin is about to enter the office. That isn't much of a stretch.

I had my doubts until now, but Pablo's comments have helped me make up my mind. Sidious is faking and definitely setting a trap (IMHO).


Can't wait to read what Darth First has to say about all this ...


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Those Mace vs. Palp shots seem to concentrate more on their facial expressions then their actual moves. A bit like that AOTC Dooku vs. Anakin fight.


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Wow, thank God they made those changes to the story [altho I too agree that the footage from the webdoc looks nicer, longer shot, uninterrupted, very good]. Anakin just sitting there and watching the fight is mad lame.

This movie really took shape in post-production, and frankly, the shooting script must've been pretty mediocre. Without the Anakin-Padme window scene, without Anakin coming in mid-duel, (and a bunch of other changes I'm forgetting mentioned in the making of book), Anakin's turn to the dark side pretty much would've sucked!


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let everyone know i'll be back soon as I can, but there's nothing exciting to report.


Darth First's enthusiasm brings warm feelings to my heart ...
Could he be more disapointed with that DVD ?


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George's commentary :

Ep IV : "now this is the one where OB1 lets Vader cut him down and he disapears, and in fact he is able to retain his identity and help Luke. Basically you don't know at that point how he does that, or even what happens at all. That's something OB1 has learned with Yoda between EpIII and Ep IV. But that's really explained in EpIII. You don't understand until you've seen EpIII, that's the one where everything is explained".


Ep III :"So Qui-Gon has dicovered how to retain his identity. This is the one where you discover that Yoda and OB1 learn it from Qui-Gon. I wanted to cut any mention of it, but finally I kept it in. Because you know, that force ghost thing, the ability to become one with the force yet retain your identity is explained really in Ep IV, which is the next episode, and that's the one where everything is explained and makes sense. I don't like to put too much emphasis on important plot points, and maybe i've insisted too much on that one, but it's very important you know. I think when you watch all six movies you'll find out the saga is really about how to become a force ghost. But you don't know that at that point. it's really one big 12 hours long story for me and it was written decades ago, and I have to stay true to that story, because that's the story and I have to tell it and it's one big story but [...] ".

Thank you.

Thank you George. :|


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Well, technically, he's right. Yoda talks about it at the end of Episode III. We really don't need to know the specifics of why. And by the time we get to Episode VI and Anakin becomes one with the Force, his sacrifice tells us how it's accomplished really. Granted, you have to think about it, but it's there on the screen.

Clearly, what Lucas is suggesting is that after he looked at the films together, he thought that it wasn't needed. It's the same with the Rebellion subplot. If you watch Episodes III and IV back to back, the Rebellion subplot is really revealed through Bail in Episode III and the first hour of Episode IV. It's technically explained....


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I know, I know.

I don't complain, I love EpIII.

But Darth First says that Lucas refers to EpIV when he mentions the force ghost thing. And in EpIV-VI he refers to Ep III. Promises, promises, ... GL makes a lot of promises in his dvd commentaries.

Just found it funny. But as you say, technically, there's no plot holes.

By the way, but I think you got it : the commentary is a parody. It's not Lucas' !!


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Well, it's obvious that he changed his mind in between when he recorded the commentaries for the Original Trilogy and for Episode III. And, we should've expected it. I mean, this is George Lucas we're talking about.

As it sits, I understand the Force Ghost issue and how the Rebellion was formed. If I were to change one little thing, it would be what Yoda says to Obi-Wan at the end of Episode III.

And it's the word compassion. I'd add that word in there when Yoda explains to Kenboi...

...but I do see it from Lucas' view. That's technically giving away too much because in Episode IV when Ben disappears, we see Vader confused but we know it's an act of compassion. I guess Lucas really wants us to turn on our brains for this subplot.

I wonder how future generations will see it.


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That was intentional, mess. It was supposed to give it a mystical quality, the naming of a Sith Lord.

Personally, I loved it.


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The "true Sidious".

Case closed. Ugly Sidious is the true Sidious. True face. True voice. True Sith. Period.

So we can still find some clues in that commentary if we look close enough :)


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To add on to what Thundercracker said, all the deleted scenes except for the Grievous/Shaak Ti scene were all completed by ILM then cut from the film.

So, they'll look just as good as the film itself.

I was watching the deleted scenes of Episode I last night and I had forgotten how finished the deleted scenes were compared to the Episode II deleted scenes.

I'm really looking forward to the Rebellion Alliance scenes, especially the Petition of 2000 scene. I'm curious as to how Hayden and Natalie played the scene since they were on opposite sides at the moment.


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Cool info, suprised there isn't a leak with only 19days before midnight release. Bringing my forcefx to wal-mart at midnight :).

Nice to see Darth First that your still around.


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They probably don't have a blooper reel because there'd be so much bluescreen that it wouldn't be that funny. I wouldn't think it'd be that great seeing Hayden trip during the duel when the whole thing would just be the two of them in a bluescreen room.


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Were the ROTS deleted scenes cut from the movie after being completed, though? I was under the impression that was the case. Only one scene from AOTC was deleted after completion, the temple analysis droids. The rest weren't really up to par, especially with the TPM scenes.


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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the rebellion scenes and Dagobah were cut after ILM had completed them. Not sure about the other two, but they look up to par with the rest of the movie fx with the exception of the fuel chamber portion of the Shaak Ti sequence. That scene was supposedly cut pretty early so I'm glad that the execution part of it at least looks pretty good.


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The only deleted scene not completed was the Shaak Ti/Grievous scene. The rest were completed then cut from the film. So, the quality of the image and visuals should match the feature film.


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