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I feel sorry for him in one sense, he’s starting to sound a little bitter about the whole thing…however the prequels & his attitude towards the fans criticism after them has done him no favours.

“You go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized…and it’s not much fun,”…shouldn’t any director/producer expect that from any movie that is ever made….you are never going to please all the people all of the time.

George was heavily criticized after The Phantom Menace & I think that changed his attitude slightly in his decisions regarding Episode 2 & 3. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a “Prequel Hater” but they just didn’t hit the spot for me, Revenge of the Sith being by far the best in my opinion.

I think the main difference with The Force Awakens is that it has the classic characters back. This is one of the main reasons what draws the fans back for more. While I fully understand the limitations of not being able to have them in the prequels, that was one of the major problems for the movies. They lacked the same type of characters that made the classic trilogy what it was.

To be fair to George, after selling the franchise to Disney & coming away with a very tidy sum of money in his back pocket, I suppose he has every right to criticize the new movies…he’s bound to as they won’t be how he envisaged them to play out. I just hope he keeps his comments professional & doesn’t lose the respect he has built up over the years.

He always said that Star Wars was ultimately supposed to be “fun”…I’m sure The Force Awakens will be that & so much more.


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Meh.

Lucas mistake was and still is that he doesn't "get" his own creation. I don't feel sorry for him because you know, when your ego is so bloated and still to this day you cannot admit that you're maybe a great story teller but a shitty writer and director, then you deserve all the bitterness in the world. Its my own opinion that the prequels are, in fact unwatchable.

They didn't age well either.

Also what people seem to forget is that ANH was as good as it was because of the cut his then wife Marcia Lucas did because 20th century fox was ready to pull the plug. Empire was great because of Irvin Kershner hands down and while im no ta huge fan of ROTJ it was still leaps and bounds better than any of the prequels. The prequels are like a bad memory. The only good think about them was the music.


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Lucas created this whole crazy thing called "The Star Wars" so for that he gets ultimate respect and a by at a lot of things. I understand his frustration at the whole raped-childhood type behaviour of some fans, the internet has given a lot of people a voice and audience they maybe wouldn't or shouldn't have had, particularly around the time of the Prequels when the net was just coming into it's own.

Also, didn't he give the money from the sale to Disney to education charities in the States? It's not like he was down to his last million at the time though.


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Just wanted to chime and share my opinion on this.

I feel that it is mostly the fandom's fault because since up to 1999, A huge chunk of SW fandom thought that the OT was THEIRS to own and be like, "I proudly own VHS/Laserdisc copies of the OT." and that made them feel like SW was theirs to own when it really wasn't. On the VHS copies and even on disc versions, It says, "A LUCASFILM PRODUCTION" as well, the normal "Directed by George Lucas" (ANH) and the usual "Executive Producer George Lucas" credit (TESB and ROTJ.)

Most fans did seem to forget that about all three movies which resulted in them having this ridiculously high expectations on what the PT should look like since 1983 when ROTJ left theaters. They were expecting a grown Anakin Skywalker to start out in Episode I and spend the next two films fighting the Clone Wars and that the PT should be this identical carbon copy of the OT, scene for scene, beat for beat with a fight on top of a volcano in the third film. Lucas didnt want that. He wanted to tell the prequels his way and different from the OT. The OT always was going to be the middle trilogy where everything is battle damaged and worn out. The PT was supposed to take what we've seen in the OT, then inverse the themes...

For example, It's the time of the Old Republic which meant everything had to look less worn out; nice and shiny. See? There's your inversion of the themes and senses presented in the OT. If the PT had gone what fans was dreaming about since '83. People would have accused Lucas of being unoriginal and ripping off the OT. (Funny how some people are now accusing Disney and Abrams of ripping off the OT by copying the imagery from Episode IV and V? Funny how we think like that?) He didn't do that. In fact, Lucas was smart to try new avenues in the story of the Skywalker Saga. Did it succeed? I think so, but everyone has different tastes.

So when people see stuff like the PT deviate from what they had in the back of their minds since '83, what happens? Their entitlement of "ownership" over the franchise go into "OCD" territory going so far to demand Lucas do this and there for Episode II and III to the point where it got out of control. That kind of OCD tendency seems to be unstoppable even now 10 years after the conclusion of ROTS.

I really think Disney shouldn't try so hard to appease that segment of fandom where I call the prequel haters. They should have experimented with TFA and tried new things instead of playing little too safe for comfort. Who I blame here? The Prequel haters. I'm not going to name who because some of them are members here but I believe they're to blame for the state of the franchise because of their sense of entitlement. This really needs to stop because it's becoming really silly when you have a group of disgruntled fans who think Lucas owes them shit start arguing with the Flanneled One, that's when fandom starts being fun and start looking and looking like a stupid high school fight or argument and it's one that is overdue for an intervention by a teacher/principal but unfortunately there's not one.

So I'm asking everyone involved since I know all the parties involved read this forum (Disney, LFL, Lucas, the haters, etc) to just please stop with this stupid shit and just enjoy the PT/ST for what they are: MOVIES. I know some of you will object to that and say, "But-But!" My response to that? Shut up and let us enjoy the movies. Simple as that.

Maybe EvilElvis is right.. Maybe some people were never meant to have a voice on the internet. Just like the current Republican party was never meant to have a voice on every form of media. Unfortunately we can't stop them or make them get off the net but we can learn how to tolerate these kind of people.


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personally I think this man is just as influential if not more so than Steve Jobs. this was his baby and he took it a little personally that Disney didn't want to use his ideas for the new trilogy. He's probably had his version of the story in his mind since ROTJ and they read it and said GTFO.

He was once again being rejected by a big studio. His professional life had come full circle.

It was like poetry.


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Smart ass pants? Sure, why not...

My point was, while it's totally acceptable to like/dislike things in the way people have ad infinitum, the dawn of the internet/chat rooms/forums occurred around the same time as the Prequel build up and has given every btfo virgin a forum to spew forth their venom at the fact that the film they'd imagined in their heads wasn't what they got in a way that Lucas and the world at large had never experienced before.

Everyone had their opinions and it was suddenly a matter of logging on and you could assign and share the most ridiculously OTT verbiage to describe what is essentially a children's movie with the world, writ large.

The theory of monkeys and typewriters stands here, while you can do it, sometimes maybe it's better if you don't. It's entertainment after all. If you find you don't like it, there's hunners of other shit out there for you to tune into.

That, and you missed a "had" out.

Good chat though.


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It saddens me to see all the GL hate.

This guy was the same guy who provided us with the amazing Original trilogy that was forward thinking and that he fought tooth and nail for. It was ground breaking and took chances that no one else would. He took the same chances with the prequel trilogy and was BBQed for it. There's really no justification for the personal attacks many have levied against him. I appreciate what George has done for film and cinema and hope filmmakers continue to take bold chances that don't appear popular.


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Can we not follow the Lucasfilm playbook from the 90s and rewrite history? Star Wars wouldn't be what it is without Marcia Lucas and Richard Chew. Empire wouldn't be what it is without Kirschner and Kasdan.

That's not to take away anything from George. But he does work best when there are capable people around him to reign him in.


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it's easy to pick apart movies that someone else had to dream up and bring to fruition. From what I can tell Disney is making ANH 2.0, they aren't exactly going out on a limb, and as previously said they have the OT actors to bring back.

George had to make a Star Wars trilogy that was without the major actors and satin a time so drastically different it would've been tough to not do it CG. THX, American Graffiti, and Indiana Jones were pretty cool too. The guy deserves ultimate respect


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Stan,

Exactly. People forget that Lucas made other properties like Indiana Jones and Willow. It's easy for a large percent of people in blind rage to forget that he made movies that is not related to SW and I might add, most of them were actually DECENT. They're like "OMGZ, He made only SW lulz!!!" The guy has a decent body of work. Tucker: Man and His Dream was decent. Willow is what it is - a fun family fare. It's not like Lucas did any R-Rated movies, but his movies has for most part been decent and easy to have the kids to watch with. Like you said he deserves all the respect in the film industry for trying to challenge the conventions of filmmaking and if people want to single out the Prequels, why not give his other films a fair criticism while we're at it?


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I don't think Tucker or Jack were great films but bring up Coppola and all anyone says is Gidfather genius. GL gets harsh criticism


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All this Lucas bashing is just a bunch of whining bullshit. I saw ANH in the theatre when it released in '77; I was ten. Those of us here on MF old enough to remember know that 'Star Wars' made people freak out about seeing a movie and it changed everything regarding how movies are made, viewed, and marketed. Hollywood scrambled to produce sci-fi films in an effort to cash in on Star Wars fever, but nothing was really very good; just a bunch of rushed garbage.

Lucas fought like mad to hold onto his vision of the story he wanted to tell. I think everyone who's bitching has too much time on their hands. Yes, the prequels where not as awesome as the OT, but you know what... my kids don't think that. They can watch with wonder and be swept up in the story, and in the SW universe. Ultimately, these are films for children and families, not for basement-dwelling cranky pants fan-boys. But haters gonna hate...


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How anyone could hold any type of SW related hatred towards the man is beyond me.


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The prequels wouldve been better if Disney had been involved... and this new trilogy will suck without Lucas


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He needs to stop coming out of his reclusion and making baffling comments that make him look like a jackass. We know he isn't, but fuck. Go back to banging your hot wife, George.


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I admire and think George Lucas is awesome. My feelings about the prequels have always been mixed. So much was right about the films. The design aesthetic, the music, the podrace, the film titles, the opening crawls (IMO,...I know that most people didn't like them), Ben Burtt's sound effects. On the other hand, there were vital things that were wrong, which made them bad films by any metric by which you'd normally judge narrative and acting. Despite all three episodes having things that made me cringe (mostly the acting and writing), I still defended the prequels fiercely to others until I saw Episode III. These films needed to be judged as a trilogy, and I still think they do, to an extent. However, following Episode III, I couldn't deny that the quality was different from the Original Trilogy and that the x-factor which determined their problems seemed to be George. These were bad movies, but they were bad movies which I liked. And I liked them, in part, because, as the DVDs were released, I tried to crawl into Lucas's likely high-functioning Aspie brain and figure out what the hell he was thinking. And when I emerged on the other side, to me, they were still Star Wars.

I really have hated the rift which has existed among Star Wars fans since 1999. It seems that you fall into one of two camps: prequel-gusher or prequel-basher. Very few have found the space in between. To give you examples of what I find fallacious about either position, I would point to two popular analyses of the prequels. In the prequel-gusher camp, I think that Star Wars Ring Theory tries too hard to find genius which, in all likelihood, just isn't objectively there. On the other side, you have Red Letter Media's Mr. Plinkett Prequel Reviews which, while very entertaining, miss just as much of what's good about the prequels.

I think that, if you're going to find any genius in the Star Wars prequels, then you have to start with where George Lucas was in his life when he made them. He was a middle-aged divorcee raising three kids, all of whom I believe he adopted. I would argue that the prequels, especially the Skywalker story arc, is a love letter to his kids, especially his son Jett. Surely Jett is the only reason that George made the otherwise baffling decision to make Anakin Skywalker a 9-year-old born into desperately disadvantageous circumstances.

With the prequels, George Lucas basically made the entire Star Wars saga into a 6-episode series with the overarching theme of "The sins of the father do not have to be the sins of the son." The core series stayed such for ten years. Despite their serious flaws, many story points in the prequels were communicated subtextually and are lost on most because they refuse to see past the serious flaws which the movies have. I'm sure most of us appreciate the use of visual and circumstantial parallels which place Anakin and Luke in similar situations in which they are given similar choices but ultimately end up in different places.

I think we would have gotten different films altogether if George had made them at any different point in life. Who's to say if they would have been better, though? He obviously had a lot of directorial "rust," having not directed a filim in 20-plus years by the time of Menace, and I think that is to blame for much of the phenomenon of great actors giving the worst performances of their careers. With regards to dialogue, writing that was even George's weakest area at the time of the original films. And while I think that some of his prequel collaborators bear a little blame for not giving him more feedback (I have only guesses as to why), the buck ultimately stopped with George.

With Episode VII, I think Mr. Abrams and Mr. Kasdan and Ms. Kennedy are trying to heal the rift among the fans. They want us in the theater in order to reaffirm to us that Star Wars can rise to the level of what most people have always said were its best moments. I seriously question the perceived prequel hate from J.J. Abrams in the marketing. I really think that George's "btfo" comments are part of the marketing, too: maybe not a year ago, but at least they are by now. I think that Episode VII will be scarce as far as prequel references go. But I hope that early Episode VIII and IX rumors which I've heard, which indicate that there will be more explicit prequel references to tie the trilogies together, are true. Think about it: they really have to, if the saga is to maintain any semblance of thematic symmetry.

The only other option is to remake the prequels. And I will admit that, with as prone to reboot franchises as Hollywood has been the past ten years, the idea thrilled a part of me at first. And, then, I thought about it: George Lucas is getting pretty old. He is loaded with money and has access to good healthcare, but I know he's a diabetic with weight control issues. This is the man who I think we will find out in less than two weeks basically gave (for $4 billion dollars) the franchise back to the subset of fans who claimed he never had any stake in it since 1997. I sincerely hope that Disney and Lucasfilm never insult him in the worst way imaginable, at least not while he's still with us.

tl;dr: Cut George Lucas some slack. He deserves praise, he deserves criticism. It's not all-or-nothing. I think the new filmmakers will heal the rift among fans as much as they can.


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^This. :clap:
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Let's see...

Does the title contain the words 'Star Wars'?
Some action between villains and heroes?
Are there lightsabers?
Droids?

That's really all I need to enjoy these space operas. Anything else is gravy.


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Ring Theory is the greatest analysis I've ever seen of the Star Wars franchise.


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The ring theory is interesting, but good intentions don't smooth over the very serious issues in the on-screen execution of the prequels for me. To use another example, I'm sure David Lynch and company put a lot of genuine effort went into adapting the story of Dune into a motion picture -- but that movie is ultimately still a mess.

I won't say people are wrong if they really enjoyed Episodes I-III, I'd be lying if I said they didn't have some redeeming qualities to them, but man... fart jokes, "Yippee!" and Video Game Kung-Fu Yoda existing in the same cinematic universe as "I love you" / "I know" and "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter" is just something I really have trouble reconciling.


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Here is the complete Charlie Rose interview with Lucas: http://charlierose.com/watch/60665244



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Finally! Woo! Thanks for posting!

Only Lucas can buck Rose's black room and oak table. :lol:


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Please watch the entire 55 minute interview, not just the 2 snippets that were inexplicably selected after I posted the complete link.
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http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/de ... ce-awakens

Happy New Year George!

Yes you created all of this...
Yes the fans are totally & forever will be thankful for what you did & made...

Now please go quietly & with what respected dignity you have left & leave what YOU decided to sell to the other respected & dedicated directors & producers to continue the way they see fit...no point taking a sulky strop... The Force Awakens has broken box office takings globally...you should be proud!

I used to have a lot of time & respect for him, however the older he gets the more negative he becomes & his attitude doesnt come over as professional as it should be.

Stop acting like a dick George & grow up man!


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Love him or not (that goes for his filmmaking, contribution to the arts, etc) this scorched earth game he's been running is very poor.

He isn't the first person to sell a cherished IP and he is wise enough to know the pros and cons of doing so. He is doing nothing but damaging the brand he basically devoted his life to build. It's very sad.


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Fantastic interview. The Charlie Rose talks always are. It's out of character to see Lucas throw a hissy-fit until you realize the Disney folks are the first people in 30 years to tell him "No, we're not doing this your way."

As admirable as Lucas is, his ego consumed him to the detriment of his work.


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