These spoilers sound credible, especially with George involved and his role in TCW and possibly Rebels with Filoni.
I also find the emphasis being given to Palpatine's involvement in this film a red herring (remember John Harrison in STID).

Maybe the Gods of Mortis are the Wills and the Skywalker family has been oppressed by The Son (Matt Smith) all this time as he was responsible for Anakin's conception.
Maybe Kenobi and the Daughter (possibly also played by Keri Russel) are responsible for the conception of Rey as a counterpoint to Anakin.

If the finale occurs in a place like Mortis everyone can be manifested back to life somehow (Maul, Dooku, Palps, Mace, QGJ, Yoda, etc) for the final battle.
This all jives with the early drafted endings of ROTJ when Yoda and Obi re-emerged in the flesh to help Luke.

Wow, I'm intrigued again!

If it's really good they should retcon TLJ.

Hence the leak I have about Luke fighting in the flesh, which was originally what was supposed to happen in ROTJ with Obi-Wan helping him. You can probably figure out the true enemy and Snoke's identity if you really think about it.


Lucas and Filoni came up with the WBW together, but, it was sheleved for TCW and then it was canceled. So Filoni put it in Rebels. The reason we haven't seen anything from TCW, from what I hear, is because it would give away some points from Episode 9.
TLJ for all intents and purposes is retconned and while the final cut isn't done yet I'm hearing two hours 45 minutes roughly. They're basically doing two films in one.

"Dark Rey" is...I don't know specifics but it is NOT what we think. My speculation is that it similar to what happened to Ahsoka or Anakin on Mortis. The Jedi texts are a narrative tool to explain a lot of things people would not know if they didn't see rebels or TCW.

Lucas visited DnD 3-4 times while they were filming GoT Season 8, not just once. They were writing it while shooting GoT which infuriated GRRMartin. This is why GRR literally wants to destroy their career. Lucas had a much bigger role than people think. JJ asked for his help. It was actually a healthy collaboration.

e-chu ta get my PM?

Told you all that Rey is a Skywalker. Lmao. I’ve been saying this since 2015. You guys were like noo but it’s here now. Accept the truth.

POOR writing if Matt Smith is "the Son" or whoeverdafuck that is...

you don't just introduce a brand new character that no one in the movies has ever mentioned, in the FINAL FREAKIN FILM and say, "yeah, he was the one behind it ALLLLLLL"


which is why this shit is probably true.

The thing with Matt Smith's character could also be like the sequence with Luke killing Vader in ESB, Rey's underground hallucinations in TLJ or, as mentioned above, the Mortis episodes of TCW - A foggy, dream-like state, in which we are shown some deep, weird shit that we've never seen before, and which may never be fully explained.

OMG. I am so excited about this. I would be so happy if we got to see a Mortis connection. It looks like Dark Rey is on Mortis IMHO. I always thought her staff was going to end up being a blue/red double sabre, though...

And twins!? That is perfect. There has been a yin/yang component to the Rey and Kylo all long. Darkness and the light to meet it, each with a dollop of the other. HEY: Kylo has creepy feelings for his sister! LOL. A longstanding family tradition, it seems. Clearly it was not Kylo who stashed Rey in the sands, or he would know who she really is.

Daisy said she thought it was obvious who her folks were in TFA, and looking back now we have a paternal Han, connecting and trying to help her out, and a big hug from Mama, who of course would hug her daughter before Chewie ... right? So much makes sense if this is true.

Lucas has helped? Whatever happened to their "divorce"? JJ No Original Thought in His Head Abrams ran out of the OT movies to copy and had to run back to Papa George for help. They must have made a big donation to his museum. Maybe they should have listened to him more in the first place.

I really need to go and re-watch the Mortis arc again

This is all a stretch. I don’t buy them pandering to the fanatics. What percentage of those who will see this movie have any idea what Mortis is? The general audience wants vanilla ice cream...

Now that I've gotten the Skywalker thing out of my system, I'd like to discuss the spoilers with you guys:

- I'm personally excited about seeing Darth Rey. It's an interesting direction for her to go in, Vision or not.
- I still think Palpatine may show up as a possible "Sith Ghost" that can possess people. Remember back to ROTS, Palpatine stated, "Master Plagueis learned the secret to cheat death." After Anakin replies, "what happened?" Palpatine replies, "his apprentice killed him in his sleep." You remember who was the apprentice? Yup, Palpatine. It's most likely Palpy here learned how to cheat death hence his return from beyond. Because why feature him prominently in all marketing materials up to now? Think about it. It's possibly a Sith ghost.
-The Han/Leia parentage makes sense. After all the saga was always about the Skywalkers.
-The Red Sith Trooper is an interesting take on the traditional Trooper. I wonder what will make him different from your standard trooper? I don't think they needed a Jet trooper, though. Not unless they found a way to clone Boba Fett. That's the only reason I can think why this version of Stormtrooper exists in this film.
-I'm glad Disney went to Lucas for help on the script because while I liked TLJ, it had some serious problems that Abrams had to deal with before writing the script.
-As for Solo, It was pretty forgettable for me. Not something I'd want to watch again. Kyle, Do what I tend to do - Forget that Solo ever existed and just go like this: ROTS>Kenobi>Rebels>Rogue One>A New Hope. In the grand scheme of things, you're not really missing much if you ignore Solo completely.
-I have seen the Clone Wars so if the whole Son thing ends up in the script, It's going to be an interesting subplot. Newcomers will be confused on why he's there and Most people cant be bothered to go back to review the TCW tv series. They'll be like huh?
-I like the idea of Rey going to the wreckage of the Death Star II to find something.
-Sith C-3P0 with the evil red eyes has me interested. It's a new twist on the C-3P0 mythology. I like it.

Kyle you're missing something.

By folding in aspects of Mortis that doesn't necessarily mean they bring everything in the fold. The Son could merely be known as an ancient evil. they don't need to give his full history. if previous plot points from Lucas are true, and he DID plot quite a bit of the scenario for this film, he could be trapped like in the mortis arc and Kylo is trying to free him. him and rey fight. Rey's saber is key to opening whatever pandora's box there is (hence why it calls to her) because she is a "skywalker". she always was. Leia will give her her ring and Han's medal, though whether she's the one who tells her or she remembers her past is unknown by me. She is Han and Leia's daughter though, always was, even in what form she was in Lucas' original treatments.

One source independent of the other tells me mortis stuff is a strong rumor, though bringing it in is too complicated in its current form. I agree. But I know Palpatine is a misnomer. This ancient evil/The Son could be taking the form of Rey in a shocking moment. Rey does not turn. It could also be a "what if" scenario; this "ancient evil" trying to tempt Rey, showing her her past (a toddler who appears to be rey has been cast, we know this) and what would have happened if she grew up with her family. She has greater force potential than Kylo. She is on Anakin's level. Though NO RETCON TO THE CHOSEN ONE. Palpatine wanted to free this evil, that's how he's involved.

This is all part speculation, part what I've been told, but Palpatine is dead as a doorknob and not resurrected. Ian even said this. It would be so disrespectful to George and he was involved. I was told Snoke is actually this evil and the Ring symbolizes something, but I bet that's wrong. Snoke is gone. done. That was in early concepts before George came on.

Also george has been getting more involved. he met with D&D 4 times while they were writing SW while filming GOT. I have the dates somewhere. His legacy is being destroyed and he IS egotistical and even he said once all directors are narcissists. this is true. but his worldbuilding is what saves this film.

Matt Smith is the villain. Dark Force ghosts are possible, as that was somewhat an original Lucas concept that was scrapped at one point by JJ and Kasdan. They butchered aspects of TFA. It's unsure who threw his treatments out.

Anyway. Things are matching up and it's the only reason I came out to share. I wasn't going to tell anyone and just leave it to myself.

TLJ- running out of fuel
TRoS- mortis

Thats a huge jump for the average movie goer... I dont see it.

I get it... but you are explaining it to a room full of people that understand. Thats a lot for a 3 hour movie to cover with only the movies as backstory. The macguffin has not been mentioned directly, only we are putting it all together. The saber was perfect to start... then TLJ literally tossed it aside.

Great stuff. While I would initially agree the "Mortis" concept is too heady for a general audience to appreciate, just including Bad Guy with backstory that can be explored later seems appropriate. The Force Awakens does establish Kylo as an artifact hunter. The Last Jedi is just a colossal mess that did not propel the characters toward any meaningful direction. Circling back around to the original idea seems appropriate, especially given that JJ is concluding "his" story.

Once again... I get it. We shall see if they go this route.

Looks possible Rey and the squad are on Yavin IV to stop Kylo Ren from "awakening" or contacting some evil via the Death Star

Nope. You had me at least open-minded until that second set of "spoilers". When I read that, I knew we were being had.

Read another big leak today totally different than this... we shall see.

That’s a quarter of what I read. You think this matches up?