TROS Massive Spoilers - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

I've been sitting on this for a while but after today's footage and corroborating it with three sources, I feel confident in sharing. I cannot answer any questions. Read at your own discretion. All will be revealed in time. Lucas helped with the scenario of the film and has been more actively involved in Disney Star Wars (visited D & D during Games Of Thrones 3-4 times during filming).


OCTOBER 12 2019

• Rey kills Kylo Ren.

• Rey and Kylo have a final confrontation during which Ben Solo turns back to the light.
• Rey does not believe in Ben Solo's turn so she kills Kylo Ren.

• Luke in the flesh.
• Chewbacca dies.

• The last shot is at the Lars homestead with a Binary Sunset or Binary Sunrise reflecting the film's title "Rise of Skywalker"


AUGUST 31 2019

• The heroes in the film are on a quest to find an ancient Sith Dagger, which is actually The Dagger of Mortis. What it is called this in the film is unknown. The Dagger is the key to freeing an ancient evil and has an inscription that pre-dates any language known in the Galaxy. This evil is The Son, played by Matt Smith. It is unknown whether Smith is called The Son. This was Lucas’ original plan in his treatment for the Sequel Trilogy with direct references to The Clone Wars. It will be made accessible to the general audience.

• A major aspect of the early part of the film is attempting to decipher the text. C-3P0 attempts to read an inscription on the Dagger yet cannot read it due to his programming. 3P0’s eyes turn red and it takes them to the Second Death Star on Endor and a device of the Emperor’s. This device - with the dagger as its key, opens a portal to what is The World Between Worlds from Star Wars Rebels, where The Son is trapped, waiting to be released. The World Between Worlds will be made accessible to the general audience and maybe called something else.

• The Son is freed with the Dagger of Mortis, the one thing that can destroy him.
• The Son's been pulling all the strings and everything has led to this moment. The First Order, Snoke, Ben’s fall, Luke’s exile - everything.

• The Son takes on the form of Palpatine and Rey, among others.
• Rey’s vision of her Sith self was in fact a vision of The Son in the future taking on her form.

• The Jedi Texts are what directed Rey to the ancient evil: The Son.
• The Jedi had vague records on Mortis and The Father, The Son and The Daughter in the Jedi Temple independent of the first Jedi Texts from Ahch-To.

• Rey is Han and Leia’s daughter and Kylo Ren’s sister.
• Rey is given Han Solo’s audio diary.
• Harrison Ford recorded dialogue.

• Kylo and Rey independently find their way to the Death Star.
• Kylo shows Rey his vision of her parents.
• The true twist though is that her “parents” aren’t truly Rey's parents.
• Rey was given away in order to protect her since the adoptive parents were murdered by the Dagger.

• During their “Force Bond” - Rey has a vision of herself as a Sith.
• Rey and Kylo fight on the ruins of the Death Star.
• This could be where the Forceback Fight begins - the twist being Rey and Kylo are actually traveling through both space and time.
• Nothing is changed - Rey & Kylo do not interact with past events however events from the Prequels and the Original Trilogy are seen in the background.

• Rey, Kylo and even the Force Ghosts join to defeat The Son.
• The final shot of the film - The Skywalker Saga - is of the Binary Suns of Tatooine.


AUGUST 25 2019

• Lucas did not write the script by any means but had a significant role in molding the scenario for key sequences in the film.
• Re-created Alec Guinness maybe used like Tarkin in Rogue One.
• Hayden has filmed scenes.

• The Son is the villain.
• Matt Smith plays The Son.

• The Son can take the form of anyone and is the ultimate tempter. This is key.
• This will be explained by way of the ancient texts. They’re essentially being used as a narrative and plot device.

• Two children - boy and girl - same age, were cast.
• Presumably this is from a forceback of Ben Solo and Rey as children.
• This doesn’t necessarily fit the canon, however JJ Abrams and the Story Group do not care for one another and he ignores them, so it maybe a retcon.

• Rey and Ben Solo are twins. Rey was frozen in some manner and didn’t age - hence the biological age difference.
• Kira - a name from Lucas’ drafts for the Sequel Trilogy of Luke’s Apprentice, is Rey’s birth name.

• The last shot of the film is Rey on Tatooine at the Lar’s Homestead, reflecting on her journey with a Binary Sunrise mirroring Revenge Of The Sith, hence “Rise” of Skywalker.
• The intent was the Saga ends where it began.


AUGUST 24 2019

• The World between Worlds and The Whills.

• Contractually Disney cannot touch the first six films; they can make us view the old films in a different way though.
• The alleged "Forceback Fights" are not what you think they are or as they have been described.

• Matt Smith's role is significant yet still not listed. Identity is top secret.
• There's a reason why Hayden has been at the last two Celebrations.
• Alec Guiness.

• Snoke does have a true identity yet no one has guessed it.
• Kylo Ren is not the villain of the story.

• The main villain is connected to the Star Wars lore. (hint: They are beyond Sith and Jedi.)
• The villain has a very specific vendetta against the Skywalker lineage.

• Rey's parentage is central to the story.
• Rey's biological age is not her true age. Her real name is not Rey.
• Rey's "fall" is somewhat of a misnomer.

• Luke has a fight scene - in the flesh - which is a scrapped concept from Return Of The Jedi with Ben Kenobi.
• Chewbacca dies.

• The longest Star Wars film.


Also posted to:

• vgculturehq.com Rise of Skywalker Plot • August 24 2019
• vgculturehq.com Rise of Skywalker Plot • August 25 2019
• vgculturehq.com Rise of Skywalker Plot • August 31 2019

Some of this is a bit too vague for me to comprehend. It sounds like retcon even though the post explicitly says "no retcon."

The only characters I can think of that are beyond Jedi or Sith are the Mortis gods. Are you saying that Matt Smith is the Son?

Anakin did wreck the Son's party. So, it makes sense that the Son would want to spoil Skywalker's lineage.

BTW: The site below picked-up ki adi's post as an "exclusive," which is a charming move. Is mf.com really "infamous" like the article's author states?

Exclusive: The Rise of Skywalker Massive Spoilers

These spoilers sound credible, especially with George involved and his role in TCW and possibly Rebels with Filoni.
I also find the emphasis being given to Palpatine's involvement in this film a red herring (remember John Harrison in STID).

Maybe the Gods of Mortis are the Wills and the Skywalker family has been oppressed by The Son (Matt Smith) all this time as he was responsible for Anakin's conception.
Maybe Kenobi and the Daughter (possibly also played by Keri Russel) are responsible for the conception of Rey as a counterpoint to Anakin.

If the finale occurs in a place like Mortis everyone can be manifested back to life somehow (Maul, Dooku, Palps, Mace, QGJ, Yoda, etc) for the final battle.
This all jives with the early drafted endings of ROTJ when Yoda and Obi re-emerged in the flesh to help Luke.

Wow, I'm intrigued again!

If it's really good they should retcon TLJ.

Hence the leak I have about Luke fighting in the flesh, which was originally what was supposed to happen in ROTJ with Obi-Wan helping him.

You can probably figure out the true enemy and Snoke's identity if you really think about it.

Lucas and Filoni came up with the WBW together, but, it was sheleved for TCW and then it was canceled. So Filoni put it in Rebels.

The reason we haven't seen anything from TCW, from what I hear, is because it would give away some points from Episode 9.

Reylo is dead. dead in the water.

TLJ for all intents and purposes is retconned and while the final cut isn't done yet I'm hearing two hours 45 minutes roughly. They're basically doing two films in one.

"Dark Rey" is...I don't know specifics but it is NOT what we think. My speculation is that it similar to what happened to Ahsoka or Anakin on Mortis. The Jedi texts are a narrative tool to explain a lot of things people would not know if they didn't see rebels or TCW.

Lucas visited DnD 3-4 times while they were filming GoT Season 8, not just once. They were writing it while shooting GoT which infuriated GRRMartin. This is why GRR literally wants to destroy their career.

Lucas had a much bigger role than people think. JJ asked for his help. It was actually a healthy collaboration.

we have a winner.

ding. ding. ding.

Wow - there is a strong resemblance between the two. Since most are not aware of The Clone Wars, I assume that there is a lot of in-move explaining. J.J. can't pull a Maul like Solo.

e-chu ta get my PM?

This is interesting. May mean nothing but I dunno. Images incoming.

Yeterday, Filoni refused to definitively answer whether Clone Wars characters will appear as live-action characters in the future.



Does Palpatine redeem himself in the TROS (see 30 second mark)?

Cool. Nothing really spoilery about those images though, just the usual and beautiful Star Wars visual poetry we've come to expect.

Only did it due to size!

More and more specific. Some things left out though on purpose.



Take it as you will.

am I the only one who feels Daisy was throwing major shade at TLJ? lol. She seems so impressed and happy with TROS and so enthusiastic and that last bit was just like...damn.

I didn't get that at all.

Told you all that Rey is a Skywalker. Lmao. I’ve been saying this since 2015. You guys were like noo but it’s here now. Accept the truth.

so guys. browsing that one site who took my report. looks like they figured something out, a detail I even missed in the D23 footage. seems pretty conclusive.

I never suggested she wasn't a Skywalker. But I love that you continue to be a cunt about it.

POOR writing if Matt Smith is "the Son" or whoeverdafuck that is...

you don't just introduce a brand new character that no one in the movies has ever mentioned, in the FINAL FREAKIN FILM and say, "yeah, he was the one behind it ALLLLLLL"


which is why this shit is probably true.

He's not brand new. He's been around since the Clone Wars cartoon.

Better to be a cunt who's been right the whole time than to be a clueless follower.

Before Luke's sister became Leia, she was a mystery character lost in space somewhere (The Original Story Of Luke Skywalker's Sister [Before It Was Retconned To Be Leia]). Rey being separated and "nowhere" seems to echo Lucas' original approach to the Skywalker twins.

I suspect that Rey's name is spelled Qi'ra and not Kira. It appears that Han and Leia named their children after Ben, the man who was responsible for their meeting, and Qi'ra, the women who helped Han escape captivity on Corellia. That's appropriate.


Yeah; most people will probably be scratching their heads. It's shame, because this could have been explored in some measure with the last two films. Oh well.

Coincidentally (or not), the OS has a feature on the "Overlords" (of Mortis) on its front page.

He's also integral to the mythology of the Force, which is what the ST was supposed to be about and is what Lucas was going to make the ST about. It's definitely a possibility and is VERY lucas-esque. Also, REY HAS THE JEDI TEXTS. I know, maybe lame, but they are probably a plot and narrative device when explaining this stuff.

The thing with Matt Smith's character could also be like the sequence with Luke killing Vader in ESB, Rey's underground hallucinations in TLJ or, as mentioned above, the Mortis episodes of TCW - A foggy, dream-like state, in which we are shown some deep, weird shit that we've never seen before, and which may never be fully explained.

OMG. I am so excited about this. I would be so happy if we got to see a Mortis connection. It looks like Dark Rey is on Mortis IMHO.
I always thought her staff was going to end up being a blue/red double sabre, though...
And twins!? That is perfect. There has been a yin/yang component to the Rey and Kylo all long. Darkness and the light to meet it, each with a dollop of the other.
HEY: Kylo has creepy feelings for his sister! LOL. A longstanding family tradition, it seems. Clearly it was not Kylo who stashed Rey in the sands, or he would know who she really is.
Daisy said she thought it was obvious who her folks were in TFA, and looking back now we have a paternal Han, connecting and trying to help her out, and a big hug from Mama, who of course would hug her daughter before Chewie ... right? So much makes sense if this is true.

Lucas has helped? Whatever happened to their "divorce"? JJ No Original Thought in His Head Abrams ran out of the OT movies to copy and had to run back to Papa George for help. They must have made a big donation to his museum. Maybe they should have listened to him more in the first place.

Dark Rey could be the Son in Rey's form. Remember, the Son morphed into Anakin's doppelganger in the "Altar of Mortis" (see below).

He also imitated Palpatine's voice, which may indicate that Palpatine is not in TROS. It's just the Son disguising himself as Palpatine for some nefarious purpose.

I really need to go and re-watch the Mortis arc again

This is all a stretch. I don’t buy them pandering to the fanatics. What percentage of those who will see this movie have any idea what Mortis is? The general audience wants vanilla ice cream...

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/george-lucas-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-1202058551/

He also visited Dave and Dan 4 times while they were filming GoT. This wasn't a social call and they were already writing their script.


https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/george-lucas-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-1202058551/

If the treatment is correct, well, it matches up very nicely (the "ancient" evil) with what we have been given. I also think Dark Rey's saber is a sith artifact. Also Rey's original parentage. I really do think the treatment/original ideas are legitimate and now they've realized they screwed up so bad and JJ went to Lucas and already incorporated some things anyway so it may give away most of the plot for IX. Beware of that before reading. It doesn't have everything, just the Luke/Kylo/Rey/even Han stuff, but the original MSW article (which is linked in the article as the source) has the full bit. I just cannot stand Ward.

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Thanks to Disney's gaff on their own Star Wars website, we now "know" (and honestly, who didn't see it coming) that "Darth Rey" is a VISION, ala what Luke experienced on Dagobah.

If even half of these leaks are partially true, then what we're looking at is a major retcon, and on a scale that'll shatter anything we've ever seen Hollywood diarrhea out in the past.

What that'll prove is that even Disney recognizes what an epic turd The Last Jedi was. Yes, oh diehard sheep, THAT IS WHAT IT WILL MEAN.

In the history of Hollywood, has there ever been a "gaff" of this magnitude before? Nope!

And don't ever let film history revisionists fool you - this was NOT a gaff. It was absolutely deliberate. And the audience's rejection of it is concrete and visceral.

There is no way, none, that they can fold in the Mortis material without simultaneously BLAZING to the audience the ham fisted machine of fixing Ruin Johnson's praised by Kennedy-Abrams-Hidalgo abomination. And that folks, will destroy ALL immersion.

And let's look at JJ Abrams' track record with being able to finish anything with any kind of convincing polish and panache. His track record? Abysmal. But don't give up hope folks! He's got a writer from BATMAN v. SUPERMAN to help save the day!!!

lol

At a pivotal point in the film, Rey will be standing over Kylo's defeated form (again!), and he'll croak out "My mother's...name...is...LEIAAAAAA!" And simultaneously Rey will say the same, and then they'll be BEST BUDDIES. Just like that!

HILARIOUS!

And Palpatine's massive hidden and "scary" fleet of star destroyers? How threatening can they be when all the Resistance has to do is slap a cheap "Watto-grade" hyperdrive and a mouse droid pilot onto asteroids and shoot them at light speed on the ships that are parked on the flank of each column, and thus having those ships' exploding guts take out dozens of the other star destroyers parked close by ala as seen in the brilliant The Last Jedi?

I'm certain to be sitting on the edge of my seat for that one!

I read and re-read those leaks, and it's just impossible.

And I can't even enjoy The Original Trilogy anymore, because in Solo, they went to enormous lengths to establish that the Millennium Falcon is a SEX SLAVE of Lando's!!!

What

the

HELL!!!!

So now what's the "proper" pronoun for the Falcon?!

Could you imagine even ten years ago having to entertain such thoughts about the Star Wars universe? Had I brought it up ten years ago, "Hey guys, I think that the Millennium Falcon should have the brain of a robot that Lando had hardcore sex with, and it'd be SO cool to then realize that all of our childhood heroes were WALKING AROUND INSIDE A WOMB! Whaddaya think guys?" I would've been RIGHTFULLY mocked and ridiculed for such grotesque stupidity. But here we are - with sheep ARDENTLY DEFENDING this putrid garbage!

Ep. IX is GOING TO SUCK.

In spite of Disney's pathetic efforts, IT WILL NOT HEAL ANY OF THE WOUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN ORCHESTRATED.

Disney DESERVES to crumble into the very sewage that it splatters out.
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Now that I've gotten the Skywalker thing out of my system, I'd like to discuss the spoilers with you guys:

- I'm personally excited about seeing Darth Rey. It's an interesting direction for her to go in, Vision or not.
- I still think Palpatine may show up as a possible "Sith Ghost" that can possess people. Remember back to ROTS, Palpatine stated, "Master Plagueis learned the secret to cheat death." After Anakin replies, "what happened?" Palpatine replies, "his apprentice killed him in his sleep." You remember who was the apprentice? Yup, Palpatine. It's most likely Palpy here learned how to cheat death hence his return from beyond. Because why feature him prominently in all marketing materials up to now? Think about it. It's possibly a Sith ghost.
-The Han/Leia parentage makes sense. After all the saga was always about the Skywalkers.
-The Red Sith Trooper is an interesting take on the traditional Trooper. I wonder what will make him different from your standard trooper? I don't think they needed a Jet trooper, though. Not unless they found a way to clone Boba Fett. That's the only reason I can think why this version of Stormtrooper exists in this film.
-I'm glad Disney went to Lucas for help on the script because while I liked TLJ, it had some serious problems that Abrams had to deal with before writing the script.
-As for Solo, It was pretty forgettable for me. Not something I'd want to watch again. Kyle, Do what I tend to do - Forget that Solo ever existed and just go like this: ROTS>Kenobi>Rebels>Rogue One>A New Hope. In the grand scheme of things, you're not really missing much if you ignore Solo completely.
-I have seen the Clone Wars so if the whole Son thing ends up in the script, It's going to be an interesting subplot. Newcomers will be confused on why he's there and Most people cant be bothered to go back to review the TCW tv series. They'll be like huh?
-I like the idea of Rey going to the wreckage of the Death Star II to find something.
-Sith C-3P0 with the evil red eyes has me interested. It's a new twist on the C-3P0 mythology. I like it.

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Freezus,

I wish that I could forget Solo, BUT it was written by Kasdan.

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"THE" Kasdan...!

That "meta" data - who wrote the film, and his huge significance on the Star Wars franchise - makes it impossible to just look over.

Besides, it is OFFICIAL canon. That means that film is what was wanted by Disney.


And Mark Hamill is at it AGAIN. Prior to The Last Jedi, he gave so many "in your face" warnings to the public. Warnings that were SPOT ON.

Recently, he stated that he HOPES not to have to do Luke again. Would the Mark Hamill of ten years ago ever believe that he'd find himself in such a position? That man CHAMPIONED Luke Skywalker for most of his life. For him to feel the way he does now, it's unthinkable. He's DONE.

If Hamill can't muster genuine enthusiasm for Ep. IX, why should we? He criticisms were all On Target for Ep. VIII, and I have no reason not to trust his judgement now.

To be fair with you, Lawrence Kasdan is known for being a mediocre writer post ROTJ. He hasn't written anything good in the 80's and early 1990's. Even Lucas wanted Kasdan full knowing that he had a spotty writing record, to write TPM and Kasdan passed on it. Maybe it was a good thing considering how both TFA and Solo turned out. Lucas knew what Kasdan is really like without any oversight. I highly doubt Disney went to the Kasdans and told them hey make the Falcon a ship with a brain of a female droid. You should blame the Kasdans for that.

As for the "Canon" part... Remember for the last 20 years, Lucas claimed that he would never, ever release the original 1977 theatrical edition of the A New Hope and the 2011 "Special Edition" of the film was the only way to see Star Wars. What happened last month? Lucas overruled Disney and releases the pure, unaltered 1977 version of ANH to a theater for a limited time screening that also billed Rogue One. If Lucas can release the original 1977 edition of A New Hope, then he has the power to disavow Solo completely. Disney doesn't have the final say on everything much as people like to think. Lucas can and does have the power to strike Solo from the timeline.

As for Mark Hamill... you might wanna take a second look at Ki Adi's posts because... Mark/Luke is back for IX. Remember Ki Adi alluded to Luke having an epic lightsaber battle in this one IN THE FLESH. And this isn't the first time a cast member from the franchise has taken a shit on the franchise and still come back. See:

• 1978 - Alec Guiness shat on ANH, ends up coming back to do ESB and ROTJ.

• 2001 - Ewan McGregor made fun of the title for Episode II and mocked the "Attack of the Clones" title with Nicole Kidman after it was revealed. Guess what happened next? He came back to do ROTS and is now doing Kenobi. Also, Ewan now thinks Prequels was amazing.

Mark's gripes at the time of TLJ was minuscule. He knew he was coming back in IX anyways. You just can't kill off the face of Star Wars that most people have related to for close to 45 years. Mark Hamill IS the face of Star Wars. Kids still buy up ANH-era Luke Skywalker action figures to this day. In fact, If you ask anyone who comes to mind when it comes to Star Wars. The universal answer will almost always be Luke Skywalker. Mark isn't going anywhere as long he's still earning royalties from the Original Trilogy, TFA and TLJ.

Kyle you're missing something.

By folding in aspects of Mortis that doesn't necessarily mean they bring everything in the fold. The Son could merely be known as an ancient evil. they don't need to give his full history. if previous plot points from Lucas are true, and he DID plot quite a bit of the scenario for this film, he could be trapped like in the mortis arc and Kylo is trying to free him. him and rey fight. Rey's saber is key to opening whatever pandora's box there is (hence why it calls to her) because she is a "skywalker". she always was. Leia will give her her ring and Han's medal, though whether she's the one who tells her or she remembers her past is unknown by me. She is Han and Leia's daughter though, always was, even in what form she was in Lucas' original treatments.

One source independent of the other tells me mortis stuff is a strong rumor, though bringing it in is too complicated in its current form. I agree. But I know Palpatine is a misnomer. This ancient evil/The Son could be taking the form of Rey in a shocking moment. Rey does not turn. It could also be a "what if" scenario; this "ancient evil" trying to tempt Rey, showing her her past (a toddler who appears to be rey has been cast, we know this) and what would have happened if she grew up with her family. She has greater force potential than Kylo. She is on Anakin's level. Though NO RETCON TO THE CHOSEN ONE. Palpatine wanted to free this evil, that's how he's involved.

This is all part speculation, part what I've been told, but Palpatine is dead as a doorknob and not resurrected. Ian even said this. It would be so disrespectful to George and he was involved. I was told Snoke is actually this evil and the Ring symbolizes something, but I bet that's wrong. Snoke is gone. done. That was in early concepts before George came on.

Also george has been getting more involved. he met with D&D 4 times while they were writing SW while filming GOT. I have the dates somewhere. His legacy is being destroyed and he IS egotistical and even he said once all directors are narcissists. this is true. but his worldbuilding is what saves this film.

Matt Smith is the villain. Dark Force ghosts are possible, as that was somewhat an original Lucas concept that was scrapped at one point by JJ and Kasdan. They butchered aspects of TFA. It's unsure who threw his treatments out.

Anyway. Things are matching up and it's the only reason I came out to share. I wasn't going to tell anyone and just leave it to myself.

Thanks again for posting your info, ki adi moonshine.

Concerning "Vision-gate," the use of "vision" could be a grammatical choice rather than a spoiler. Per the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, vision means "something seen." The word "vision" was replaced with "sight," which doesn't change the meaning of the original sentence.

TLJ- running out of fuel
TRoS- mortis

Thats a huge jump for the average movie goer... I dont see it.

Did you read my post?

They may not even reference Mortis itself or the history of the Son. They could simply make it an ancient evil like in the alleged treatment by lucas for TFA (matches up with what Hammill said too about what the ST was about), and Kylo is now trying to free him to gain his power. The evil is The Son, but they don't need to go into depth.

Rey has the Jedi texts, that would explain what they'd have to explain, that's all that's needed. The Son is trapped, Anakin's lightsaber, The Chosen One's lightsaber, now held by his grandaughter, is the only thing that can free this monstrosity that would destroy everything. That is The Son in a nutshell and all people need to know. That is why Kylo screamed "THAT'S MINE!", though that is my speculation. As far as "vision" goes, The Son can take others' forms. So I think personally that Dark Rey is actually this evil taking on her form. But the way it'll be done will be shocking.

Ian already said Palpatine is dead dead dead. He wouldn't come back for some BS resurrection crap. That would ruin the OT. I just don't know how he fits. Maybe a holocron guiding Kylo to where the son is trapped.

Also, interesting, in TFA novel, when Rey gets the Saber, Kylo screams "IS IT YOU!?". Interesting. Also in the script Luke knew exactly who Rey was. it said so itself. This would work. And it's so Lucas. It doesn't retcon the OT/PT, which cannot be done legally. There's a reason why JJ went to Lucas for help. This is basically George's story.

RJ fucked things up bad. There's a video where someone asks JJ about TLJ and he gets all tense and doesn't even call it by name. it's so awkward.

I get it... but you are explaining it to a room full of people that understand. Thats a lot for a 3 hour movie to cover with only the movies as backstory. The macguffin has not been mentioned directly, only we are putting it all together. The saber was perfect to start... then TLJ literally tossed it aside.

Great stuff. While I would initially agree the "Mortis" concept is too heady for a general audience to appreciate, just including Bad Guy with backstory that can be explored later seems appropriate. The Force Awakens does establish Kylo as an artifact hunter. The Last Jedi is just a colossal mess that did not propel the characters toward any meaningful direction. Circling back around to the original idea seems appropriate, especially given that JJ is concluding "his" story.

Hokusai doesn't understand.

No Mortis backstory needed. They don't need to call him "The Son". He can have the look, the attitude, and all of his powers. They could allude to it subtely. We'll know, but regulars won't miss out if they don't know. If you cut that out it works perfectly.

Now as I'm looking at this stuff it's obvious around some time I was given some info that was disinfo to cover the person's tracks and some info I, right now, think is obviously true.

With Lucas' involvement this will work. The Son to everyone else will seem like a generic evil. We'll know his true terror, and then he'll SHOW his true terror, and Kylo Ren will wish he never got mixed up in this shit. And Palpatine and Dark Rey are probably visions from The Son; The Son turning himself into them because he can do that. This whole idea r/starwars and tf.n is trying to push that Palpatine resurrects inside of Matt Smith's body is so ludicrous it's laughable.



Remember Rey has the Jedi Texts too. I think that will explain things to the heroes and it will in general be outlined in the opening crawl. we'll learn more but only as much as we need to know, and that's the beauty of it IMO.

Also the lightsaber could still be the key to freeing this ancient evil, hence why Kylo screemed that it was his (not only as his birthright as Anakin's grandson, but as an artifact collector). This could all explain his artifact collecting and why he's so obsessed with it; it's not just about vader. It's so much more. And this wouldn't retcon the prophecy either so I'd be satisfyed with all of this.

Once again... I get it. We shall see if they go this route.

Looks possible Rey and the squad are on Yavin IV to stop Kylo Ren from "awakening" or contacting some evil via the Death Star

Or maybe Endor, since that's where the Emperor shuffled off his mortal coil.

Nope. You had me at least open-minded until that second set of "spoilers". When I read that, I knew we were being had.

Considering you joined just to post that (joined today at the exact time of that post) what's your agenda? I'm just being upfront about things.

Oh god, please shut up. The vision thing was only changed because they knew people would go bonkers over it. You really think their webpage knows exactly what is going on with the movie? Give me a break with your trolling.

I agree with you. But what's weird is that the writer didn't issue any kind of editor's note, just edited it, which she KNEW was simply going to make people speculate even more. But maybe that's the point. Disney's propoganda arm and their marketing arm is much more sophisticated than you'd think.

Jason Ward is a part of this. Which is why he goes to all the premieres, shills so hard, and gets access. He used to post some scoops, but now it's few and far between and he'd never leak the entire thing, like he's saying he is now. It's a giant larp and full of so many self-contradictions. I do admit some of my info may be wrong or off, but I wouldn't post it here if I didn't privately speak to others who told me the same general thing without me revealing anything.

Read another big leak today totally different than this... we shall see.