and... the ugly truth now just came out.
Now do you guys understand why I would label Disney lovers, “Disney cucks?” It’s because they would eat up the shit Bob Iger force feeds them.

(As Yoda)
Begun has, the Lucas-Disney War.

RogueOne, this is what I warned you about in private message.. if Disney can shove their shit down JJ Abrams’ and George Lucas’ throats, they will do the same to Steven Spielberg with Indiana Jones.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is indeed what happened. The Matt Smith casting was reported by many different websites for it not to have been true. Very bizarre.

The Son as IX's villain probably would have been considered just as out of left field as resurrected Sidious but I definitely would have much preferred The Son. That would have at least been something fresh and new whereas Sidious was just another OT rehash in a trilogy already full of them.

It probably would have been Matt Smith masquerading as Ian at first. I think Disney underestimated just how much George's presence would have mattered here. If they had advertised that he had come back and was working with JJ, most fans would have accepted 9 just because of the fact that "the Maker" was involved.

I do agree though that the Son of Mortis may have been a bit obscure, but it wouldn't have been impossible to do.
They wouldn't have even had to change the dialogue that much "I am all of the Sith". Audiences are smart enough to get it.

Still, I really wish they would talk about why they didn't go for the low hanging fruit of using Plagueis as the final boss. I just don't get why.

Yes, what Monari said. One of The Son's abilities in Clone Wars was shape shifting and I believe ki adi moonshine's spoilers did indicate that the Son would have taken the form of Palpatine at various points.

So now guys, are you sorry you ate up TROS without looking at the facts?
Like I said, time to disavow the Sequel Trilogy completely.

Matches what I was told.
Surprised it’s coming out.
Explains why the film feels like multiple films in one

If I may, a $374M global opening weekend for Episode IX, while not great and disappointing, is not a confirmed flop. We’ll just have to wait until next weekend and throughout the holidays to see if it can bounce back and make a billion worldwide when all is said and done. It does have Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day coming up. It might be able to keep it afloat for a while longer.

I will say that The Fandom Menace, including @kyle, will now try to make this look like a victory and use the quotes from the ridiculed scene of the chase with Rey and crew escaping stormtroopers on Passanba to their advantage like this:

C-3PO: “OH, THEY FLOP NOW!”
Finn: “They flop now?!?!?!?”
Poe: “They flop now.”

You know if you really wanna consider avoiding it after Disney has done things that crushed you personally, then, boycott Episode IX and see any other movies not named Star Wars like 1917, Cats, Spies in Disguise, Little Women, Uncut Gems, Just Mercy or Bombshell

Thank you prox for the topic which has been updated with further responses by "Lucasfilm_Insider" on "StarWarsSpeculation" of which whose username along with the subreddit name itself makes the information open to questioning.

However I find the information to be logical and believable regardless. I backed ki adi moonshine given the fact many of us posted alongside him for two decades now, the sources of the information, and the fact Lucas has always stated Palpatine does not come back in Force Spirit form or otherwise. Going full Mortis features a way to showcase prior past characters and locations in Disney's theme park movies through visions and "forcebacks" while re-visiting the remains and wreckage of past film's environments.

From Iger's perspective revisiting aspects from the Clone Wars after the performance of Solo (which featured Maul as sequel bait) might not have been wise or least to Bob that is. Factor in the passing of Carrie Fisher whose character was to be featured prominently in the last chapter of the Disney Trilogy. The result is a finished product which features two "legacy" actors returning to take the place of Carrie Fisher: Ian McDiarmid and Billy Dee Williams.


In terms of the ki/MF report there is a case to be made that aspects made it into the final film:

Exegol as a stand-in for Mortis
The Dark Side is personified in the form of the Son (Snoke)
The Dark Side is personified in the form of the Palpatine (Dead).
The Dagger
The Jedi Texts.
The End: Tatooine and the Binary Sunset.

But is it the movie that you wanted? Or some other guy’s movie? I personally would have wanted the cut that Lucas and Abrams both wanted to show us but was denied. Remember this isn’t your or Abrams’ movie. It’s just some forced shit that Bob Iger just spoon fed you.

I don't know what movie I "wanted." I went in with a clear mind and thought it was cool. I was hoping to see it again over the weekend, but it didn't happen. I'll go again today or tomorrow for a 2nd more critical viewing.

I dont buy 90% of this... nobody knows Mortis but us... you guys have to think to the below average common denominator, not the lowest, but close.
This movie was closer to an AVATAR: Earthbender movie than the mortis trilogy.

Iger's a pretty good filmmaker, then.

I'm sure the sequel trilogy lost its credibility for many of us the moment it rehashed OT designs and kicked any interest in innovation to the curb. It's been a fun, albeit superficial, ride but clearly nothing near what it could have been with Lucas or a more consistent creative force at the helm throughout.

This is all speculation and not real. Stop reporting peoples' feelings and sentiments as if you know them personally.
This is US weekly-level garbage.


Why does the story group hate Lucas?

I don’t know the exact details but a lot of them don’t respect George Lucas and see the original films as ‘problematic’ in a social/political sense, yeah I know I hate going down that path too, it’s also why Galaxy’s Edge has barely any OT/PT characters. Oddly enough the film they hated most was actually TFA, they loathed the fact that Han Solo had a big role in TFA and was factor to why Luke was killed off a movie a head of schedule.

So, people who are in the story group, presumably because they actually like Star Wars, hate the trilogy of films that started and are probably responsible for them even getting interested in the property in the first place. So then, they hate the PT because...reasons? They hate Lucas because of other...reasons.

BUT WAIT, the sequel trilogy is OK! Long live Rey! EXCEPT...they actually hate TFA and the filmmaker who brought them their beloved heroine. So basically, the only Star Wars "thing" the story group even likes is TLJ...which post-dated their involvement in Star Wars storytelling by 5 years.

Thanks for clearing up that nonsense for me.

Freezus all triggered and butt hurt because Rey is a Palpatine not a Skywalker LOL

Complete conjecture here , but I could see why the story group could be frustrated with what went on if indeed there were significant changes in direction and the exclusion of Lucas's ideas (again). Imagine preparing for a film that involved the Mortis Gods, in particular The Son, who was to be the antagonist. This is the MF way. I was digging the Ki Adi leaks and was hoping they would go deep into that stuff. I knew it might alienate the general audience goer but who gives a fuck at this point. The Son could have been showing visions, Plagueis would have showed up, could have been a way to re-introduce Sidious too without it actually being Sidious.

As it stands I still don't believe what we saw was Palpatine as we knew him - more like a twisted dark side conjuring inside the Palpatine shell. He even quotes the line from the Opera scene verbatim so this tells me some unnatural darkside energy has re-animated him. I still see people questioning how he survived yet he clearly states he did die. This is the darkside "ability to cheat death" he seduced Anakin with.

This all sounds a little far-fetched to me. So Lucas, after being screwed over by Abrams in TFA, jumps at the opportunity to get involved again? I don't see that as likely.

I do think the film feels like two films that were haphazardly cut down to one. No idea if that has anything to do with reshoots or what. Seems more like a problem with the script cramming way too much in.

The Palpatine stuff made no sense whatsoever and did feel like a late addition. An Abrams panic move.

Meanwhile... https://www.starwars.com/databank/jannah
I would so pee in her butt.

yeah it is strange that the novelisation and the Art Of TROS books are delayed until around the time of the Blu-Ray / Digital media release of the film.

Man, lots of interesting stuff to unpack here.
In the context of this topic...for me... Lucas SW >>>>>>> Disney SW

The very existence of the Story Group always struck me as odd. If that group doesn't have *some* creative say in the direction of any given story, regardless of the medium in which it exists, why does Story Group exist at all? Unless it's a purely cosmetic group, to make the public think there's one cohesive direction of the overall story when in fact, there is not. And it's not an unreasonable take to say there is no cohesive direction when lining up the stark differences between TFA and TLJ.

I have long speculated that the existence of the ST was driven by financial motivations (to pay back the investors who helped Disney write that $4 billion check to George), rather than creative motivations. The OT and PT sprang from George's creative motivations first, financial motivations second. That difference has been exposed, given how wildly certain story elements have swung between the films of the ST. I don't really feel much sympathy for Disney in this matter. Disney made its bed when it kept throwing the PRACTICAL EFFECTS shade at the PT in the lead-up to TFA. For George, that had to cross a line that, justifiably, shouldn't have been able to be uncrossed.

It also appears to be an irrefutable fact that the franchise hasn't had a smooth road in its creative personnel and direction. Look at how many key personnel changes there have been across these 5 films under Kennedy's direction. It also strikes me as strange that the one director that seems to have engineered a good production plus a fairly universally loved film, Gareth Edwards, has dropped off the LFL radar completely. And I don't want to hear about Rogue One's reshoots. Yet it had them. So does every other big-budget movie made in the past 40 years.

I haven't been to Galaxy's Edge yet (going in May), but I bet within 5 years, you'll see much more of an OT presence than the current ST presence. Easy enough to swap out ST stormtroopers for OT stormtroopers, Kylo Ren for Vader, Vi for a Rebellion-era spy, etc. That all seems like a fairly easy swap. But would such a swap be a concession on Disney's part that it misread its audience? And is it too prideful to admit anything like that?

The inner machinations of Iger/Disney/LFL/Kennedy etc. are interesting to me, but they ultimately don't affect my enjoyment of all Star Wars films. That includes the ST, which in my 1-11 ranking of the movies, rank 9-10-11.

At the end of the day, I'm glad the ST exists, though I am more glad Rogue One and Solo exist. But having seen TROS twice, I also don't believe the ST was necessary. It's like having a second controller for your PS4. While it's nice to have, it doesn't actually upgrade anything.

There's maybe some overall broad strokes stuff anyone could surmise, but this 100% "insider" is full of shit. This is not true.

The novelization for TFA (which sucked) came out simultaneously with the movie.
The TLJ novelization came out on my birthday (March 6 2018), a few months after TLJ was in theaters.
The TROS novel comes out on a similar date, March 3, 2020.

This is the first time an Art Of book hasn't come out at the same time as the film's release in the Disney era. A Making of Solo book came out quite a while after that film. I do recall the Art Of book author, Phil Stozak, said they had to hold some art back in the TFA book (Luke and Snoke). I wonder if a similar decision was made for the Art Of TROS book.