Yep, that’s what I saw. I love seeing all the different ideas. Sometimes I think our discussions are better than what’s produced.

Ki Adi,

I'm watching the SW Labor Day marathon as I write this. I trust your claims over that reddit post. To me, the reddit post reads off as a batshit crazy fan fiction to me. I mean think about it... Too much location jumping. a 113 year old Palpatine looking all decrepit? Death Star powered imperial stardestroyers? Rey's parents still nobodies? A hacked C-3P0 modified to read sith texts? Leia a Jedi Master? See.. too much fan fiction over there.

Interesting how that newbie ran away after you called him out on his bs.

You said that this film could turn out to be a clusterfuck... You might be right and this film might be the "make it or break it" film for Disney because they did end up with two turds in TLJ and Solo. They can't afford to have three straight turds in a row. If TROS bombs, we can always go back to watching Episodes 1-6 the way Lucas intended it for the last 20 years and just move on with our lives as if it was the 1980's and 1990's all over again.

Palpatine couldn't get it up to have a kid first of all..

It was a joke. I know that in Lucas cannon that it was originally in a draft by Lucas but scrapped. I didn't know if it was actually a part of his cannon. See, the thing about Lucas' cannon was that it was fickle. He overrode the books quite a bit and this pissed off a lot of fans of the EU. For me personally, I just view TCW and the films as cannon - everything else is extra. Anything that comes out of Lucas' mouth directly.

"Palpatine" isn't really Palpatine in this film. It's a misnomer.

Yea, he just showed up in my YouTube feed just because I subscribed to the official Star Wars channel. I was like why is he bashing the movie before he even sees it? As for that other channel - I can’t watch it because the subtitles are in Portuguese.

Stumbled here from the VGCulture website and decided to sign up. With all the various contradictory leaks that are floating around how do you know that you haven't been given false spoilers to just keep the true story from leaking? Granted, this could also be said of the couple of reddit guys, but people say that have a decent track record. I guess I don't know what to believe at this point. Rereading your version makes me wish it were true especially considering the reddit version alternative. Your version actually ties all three trilogies together.

Palpatine to Rey: Luke never told you about your Grandfather.

Rey: He told me enough.

Palpatine to Rey: I AM YOUR GRANDFATHER! MUAH AH HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the update DP

How are things and what are your thoughts on the leaks?

SI

I am left hoping Matt wearing big pants in SW is different from Matt wearing big pants in Terminator

Also I just re-read this thread paying particular attention to ki's posts. ki mentioned Rey receiving Han's 1977 medal from Leia along with her ring. The D23 footage features Leia holding the medal. Handing the medal off to Rey seems more logical than using it as some sort of object to mourn Han over.

Regarding Palpatine, at last April's Celebration during the The Phantom Menace twentieth anniversary panel, Ian McDiarmid made the Emperor is dead remarks:

"'Is he...?' And before I could even finish the sentence. 'Dead, yes.' 'Well, couldn't he perhaps...' 'No. He's dead.' 'Well, wouldn't it be interesting if...?' 'Forget it.'" - Ian McDiarmid discussing Palpatine's return with Lucas.

It is strange that ki has a lot of information regarding the Son and Matt Smith.

Nothing from MSW or JediPaxis on that subject.

But the latter's post regarding the third act should be key.

Early talk was that Smith was a Knight of Ren already possessed by Palpatine's disembodied spirit.

But that lost traction once it came out that Ian is in the film.

Captain, Not only that Ki claimed that Palpatine in his words is, "Dead, dead."

Yet all of the latest reports contradicts that and not only that, he seems to be back in the flesh and Ki just disappeared completely right after these reports were leaked and now no one is saying anything about the Son and all that stuff...Makes you wonder.

Kyle... chill. Sure I criticize Abrams or Rian Johnson but it's not something that makes me want to sell my collection (they're in plastic bins.) You know why? Because Episode 1-6 will always be there for me and I will always be entertained by these movies. Your rage-fueled hate for the Abrams era trilogy is what will alienate other people from wanting to associate with you. SO CHILL. Remember everyone hated the PT.. 20 years later there's a large segment of SW Fandom that thinks that it's a work of art.

My 8 year old has watched every Clone War, Rebels, etc. cartoon. I asked him who the Son was and he had no idea. What demographic do you guys think the Mortis story line would reach? 10% of the star wars fan base? I guarantee the makers of these films do not care about that group.

Number of people here who have seen Episode IX?

Yup. Talk to you about the movie in December.

66 hits on a crack pipe

Honestly, I don't care how it ends because Disney have admitted to fucking Lucas over. It's like for most of your life, you've loved it as your son then your wife gets a divorce, then you see the new husband treats his new stepson shitty. It's like that with Star Wars. I don't LOVE it as I used to now I know about Iger admitting that he fucked Lucas over. Now I know to me, Episodes 1-6 and Rogue One only exists to me, I have started to give away all my TFA merchandise. Now I have no desire to read both the TFA and TLJ novelizations and will be selling these soon. I'm going to go see TROS just to see how it ends. But I won't be wearing any Star Wars clothing, I'm going to wear my regular clothing because I'm not happy with what Iger did to Star Wars. I don't love it the way I used to.

4 billion dollars based on a bunch of lies they told George Lucas. You think he cares about the money? I mean, if he knew Disney was gonna treat his baby shitty, he would have sold the whole thing to 20th Century Fox Pre-Disney for a fraction of what Disney was paying for. At least Fox understood how to treat SW properly. (See: Their ownership of A New Hope)

What Iger wrote about in his book was the time leading up to the sale of Lucasfilm and shortly afterwards. Sure there was animosity at the time but that was 7-8 years ago!!

Water under the bridge now if you don't think bonds have been mended in that time then you're on crack. Lucas has been present on the set of every damn movie FFS,

Acting like they are mortal enemies is bad fan fiction and you know it.

The general consensus and the angles these articles go for is contradictory to the actual quotes. They want them to come off as enemies for the clicks and the likes.

He may not have been on set for TLJ but I'm sure he's quoted as liking it. Maybe not, but that's what I remember.

I see it as Iger getting his point of view out there yes it's a sore point but it was years ago. Things change as they same time heals all wounds.

Lastly what makes you assume I'm even from the US? You sound like you have Trump Derangement Syndrome when you fire that last line at me.

SI, once again, you misread me which is why I’m the one who suspects that you have said syndrome because the common symptoms is failure to read and overreaching for things that aren’t there. Example: you just assumed all the articles and countless YouTube videos I’ve both read and watched thus far claimed that both Lucas and Iger were mortal enemies. I’ve read comicbook.com and other places complete with actual scans of the quotes that Iger said and nowhere did anything I’ve read and watched never even hinted at either men being mortal enemies. When I read the quotes. I simply was disappointed and took a step back from being a fan for many years and be like, “that’s who Iger is?” And realized at that point I have to side with Lucas here by not supporting Disney anymore because I believe he did nothing wrong here. That’s all. No rage hate here like the kind of hate Kyle exhibited.

Again people can take anyone’s comments out of context. There are ways of offer criticism that can be double sided. I can say “this book is beautifully made” without even commenting on the story the characters and the themes in the book. And you think time heals all wounds? You do realize this is George Lucas we are talking about right? The same guy who railed against his own fandom for the last 20 years just because they didn’t like the prequels? That man? Even TMZ captured him talking to the paparazzi and when asked, he said fans should get a job because he won’t sign autographs for free.

Before I close this comment, I’d like to point out that I’m a Democrat. So consider the fact that it’s my political party that’s currently impeaching the sitting president that’s in the White House. So for me to have that kind of syndrome.. far from it. I’m just a guy that cares about my country. If I have to impeach a 70+ year old manchild to right a wrong and take down a bunch of trump supporters in the process so be it.

A Few thoughts on all these Plot Leaks...

I for one hope ki adi moonshine's drops are more accurate than Jedipraxis. This aside:

- JJ Abrams is notorious for misdirection. Remember John Harrison?

- If JediPraxis' leaks were accurate they would be removed. Could these leaks be a from a Disney/Lucasfilm plant to mislead?

- If JediPraxis' leaks are true this is the worst closure to a saga I could think of. It sounds cheap, recycled and lazy - episode 6 was an ending. This seems like another version of that same ending downplaying Anakin as the Chosen One. Now we must accept chosen ones.

- I like the idea of The Son from TCW/Mortis trilogy theory better. At least this unifies the saga somehow across the films and animation and could possibly open it up to X-XII.

- TFA was not a bad movie, TLJ was. R1 was saved by Vader and Tarkin curtain calls. What these leaks tell me is the Sequel Trilogy is a rushed mess.




- I'm starting to think:

- Lucas was independent of the studio system, but still very much subject to the media (the part of the same studio system that very much wore him down). That is why the prequels (a masterpiece compared to these films) were bashed by the MSM and most of the masses believed what they were told by the MSM. Lucas sold the company as a result of the oppression amongst other things.

- Today, the media fawns all over the sequels and lifelong SW Fans know they are a totally different animal ("It's Disney Star Wars"), they cannot be fooled. However, the media won't bash TLJ or Galaxy's Edge like they did the prequels because Disney is the studio system now and controls a lot of the MSM.

- JJ really doesn't want to direct any old school heroic archetypes (Luke/Hamill). I believe Lucas directed Luke's scenes for TROS. And where is Kenobi? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

- How can Obi-Wan be meaningless in all this? Did he really "die in vain"? I thought Rey was going to be Kenobi's Granddaughter and end up with Kylo (uniting the clans) to save the galaxy. This might still be the real story.

- I understand changing audiences, demographics and populations and we must make films that today's audiences can relate to, but does that mean everything that came before was wrong or bad? It sure seems that's the subtext being sold.

- The sequels should not have been three films, they should have been six films. The first three (VII - IX) about New Republic and Kylo's fall and last three (IX - XII) closer to where we are now, with the Whills, Mortis, even Ahsoka and Ezra in the latter three. By the time you get to IX the galaxy should be so sick of war that both sides utilize droid/clone armies again - like poetry with the galaxy coming full circle to episode I-II but with the droids now as the good guys and clones with the evil First Order. Instead it was a crammed, rushed trilogy with Sith Troopers.

- This mess is not because of KK or GL, or even JJ or RJ. This is Bob Iger pressuring this franchise because he wanted his name all over it with his future in mind. He also utilized it as a subtle platform for his aspirations to the US Presidency. Do you realize years from now the fan base may see these films as a compromised mess because this guy wanted to push subtexts for the "woke" agenda and rally the vote. He seems to be in damage control mode to salvage it. He'll never be president, watch any interview and he looks and sounds like a product of MK Ultra.


Let's hope what we are hearing is not the fan fiction it sounds like.

Most endings in fantasy storytelling feel cheap, predictable, recycled and and/or lazy.

You're either happily ever after dancing at a fire pit with a bunch of murder bears, or you're "subverting expectations" by sacrificing the hero, resulting in some kind of "enlightenment" for all of the players. Sometimes you try and do both (Harry Potter's false death, Batman's false death in TDKR, etc) with varying results.